Six HOF outsiders discuss waiting for pro football’s ultimate honor


Dan Reeves coaches from the sideline during a game.

 

 

Drew Pearson completes 50-yard touchdown vs. Minnesota Dec. 28, 1975, in "Hail Mary" pass sequence in NFC Playoff game at Bloomington, Minn.
(Drew Pearson photo courtesy Dallas Cowboys)
(Dan Reeves photo courtesy of Denver Broncos)

Talk of Fame Network

In this year’s final “Best of Talk of Fame Network’’ show, three coaches and three players with Hall-of-Fame credentials are joined by an enshrinee who made history as both a player and coach — with all discussing the difficult road to Canton.

Art Shell was a Hall-of-Fame left tackle who went on to become the first African-American head coach in 65 years when he took over the Oakland Raiders in 1989. Shell discusses the pressures that came with becoming the league’s first black head coach in the modern era and explains why he feels another of our guests, Tom Flores, deserves to join him in the Hall.

Flores was a two-time Super Bowl winning head coach with the Raiders and left the game as one of only two men in NFL history to win Super Bowl rings as a player, assistant coach and head coach, joining Mike Ditka. He also holds a historic position as the first Hispanic head coach in NFL history.

Joining Shell and Flores are ex-Bears’ and Tampa Bay head coach Lovie Smith, who became the third head coach to be fired in Tampa in five years despite a four-game improvement in the win column last season. Lovie quickly landed on his feet at the University of Illinois but is still wondering what happened in Tampa.

George Seifert is a two-time Super Bowl winning head coach, and Dan Reeves ranks eighth all-time in coaching wins. But both seem to be coaches that time forgot. Reeves and Seifert discuss life after football and as well as lives of accomplishment lived in the shadows of the Pro Football Hall of Fame.

This show is not all about coaches, however. The Talk of Fame Network guys, co-hosts Rick Gosselin, Clark Judge and Ron Borges, also visit with three all-decade players with strong Hall-of-Fame resumes: ex-Broncos’ linebacker Karl Mecklenburg, former Dallas Cowboys’ wide receiver Drew Pearson and the NFL’s all-time leading scorer, Morten Anderson.

Each makes a strong case for himself as Hall-of-Fame worthy and tries to explain why the honor has eluded him. After you hear their stories you may wonder why they’re on the outside looking in.

This is the last of our “Best of Talk of Fame Network’’ series. The guys return from their summer hiatus next week to recall how tough training camps were with veterans of the days when teams played six exhibition games and trained twice a day, six days a week, for two months before the season. There will be that and much more as training camps reopen, and the Talk of Fame Network returns for another season.

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16 Comments

  1. July 22, 2016
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    Drew Pearson had a far greater impact on NFL history than fake “Hall of Famers” Art Monk and Chris Carter, despite their “numbers.”

  2. July 22, 2016
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    Although Drew Pearson fully deserves to be in the Pro Football Hall of Fame, he did push off on Nate Wright (no relation to me) to make the “Hail Mary” happen.

  3. Sports Fan
    July 22, 2016
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    Excellent as Always!
    You all need to expand beyond your 3 Voters for Talk Of Fame Show
    Keep up the Great work
    Always worth reading/listening to your Show!

  4. Tammy McDole
    July 22, 2016
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    I am prejudice I admit it ! My father played 18 years in the NFL, played in All Star, AFL Championships, Super Bowl, holds records that still stand today 35 years after he retired. He might not have been the big name or made the big $$ but he played 240 games and 18 years and not only was a steady player and got the job done was a great guy to his teammates and opponents! He should be in the HOF it should be a no brainier. But then I am prejudice 🙂 but I will keep trying to introduce him to the people who vote in the HOF and those who do not know that there are many players who paved the path for those playing today!

  5. Rich Quodomine
    July 23, 2016
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    Flores is absolutely a no-brainer. Should’ve been in 10 years ago. Reeves has the “never won the big one” stigma and Seifert often gets accused, unfairly, of being the lucky followup of Bill Walsh’s incredible career.

    As for players, Pearson played in a different era, and he might have to be a senior-type selection, if he’s not already in that pool. History will be far kinder to him on a comparative stats basis. Mecklenburg and Anderson are always going to be in the conversation. However, I sense the HoF doesn’t like adding special teamers (paging the HoF Law Firm of Tasker, Andersen and Anderson) and Mecklenburg is one of those guys that keeps getting pushed out for someone else: the credentials are there, his position isn’t very sexy, so they’ll just get back to him next year. Ron Yary and Joe Delamielleure syndrome.

    Great show! I’m spending a bit of time catching up after a whirlwind last 6 months. Keep up the great work!

  6. bachslunch
    July 23, 2016
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    I’m very much in favor of the three players mentioned above. Drew Pearson is only Senior eligible, but he compares favorably to other WRs of the time who should be in such as Harold Jackson, Cliff Branch, and Harold Carmichael. Karl Mecklenburg is arguably the best MLB/ILB from the 80s/90s not in, and given that only Harry Carson and Mike Singletary are in from this 20 year period at the position, there’s plenty of room for him — though his regular eligibility is running out in three years, and he needs to reach the finals very soon if he has any chance. Morton Andersen definitely belongs in, has been a finalist for a few years, and has lots of eligibility left; he may wait a while longer but I think he gets in soon enough. The three coaches have varying degrees of argument, though I won’t shed any tears if they don’t make it in. Dan Reeves is a four-time Super Bowl loser and essentially Bud Grant or Marv Levy with a longer career. Both George Seifert and Tom Flores have two Super Bowl wins and relatively short careers, though Seifert coached longer and has a much better W-L percentage. Am lukewarm on Reeves and Seifert, and not in favor of Flores.

  7. Tammy M
    July 23, 2016
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    It is a very tough club to get in that is for sure! There are many players of the older years that paved the way that have been forgotten! If you played in the AFL there is a mark against you! I am prejudice I think my father Ron McDole should be in the HOF. Not because he is my dad but he played 18 years, played in 240 games, played in All Star games, championships and super bowl! The man was not a show boat, did not make a lot of $$ but was there every weekend playing his best and solid and someone
    You could count on … On and off the field! It is a shame that most people hell most players do not
    Even know who these guys were that paved the way for there careers. I am hoping that someday before he passes he wears that gold jacket… There is hope his teammate from Nebraska made it in 2015 Mick Tinglehoff … The difference he played all 17 years in the NFL not that other league!

  8. August 3, 2016
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    They also planned where near the track they could get a meal, go to the restroom or get a tank of gas, and they braced for racial slurs once they arrived at the track.

  9. ac
    September 29, 2016
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    Talk of Fame Network
    Your article states “Shell…explains why he feels another of our guests, Tom Flores, deserves to join him in the Hall.” I reread and replayed this and cannot locate Art Shell’s statement about Flores deserves induction. Can you show me where to find what he said, or reply with a link, thanks?

  10. ac
    September 29, 2016
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    Ron Borges
    Your article states “Shell…explains why he feels another of our guests, Tom Flores, deserves to join him in the Hall.” I reread and replayed this and cannot locate Art Shell’s statement about Flores deserves induction. Can you show me where to find what he said, or reply with a link, thanks?

    • September 30, 2016
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      During an earlier interview on Talk of Fame Network. You should listen to each show to be sure not to miss anything. We consistently have great guests.

      • ac
        September 30, 2016
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        Yes, I heard that one too it was the original interview
        Posted by Ron Borges on December 4, 2015
        Boselli talks of dancing to the Hall; Bell, Shell talk Raiders-Chiefs hate
        I also reread and replayed this one too and cannot locate Art Shell’s statement about Flores deserves induction. Can you show me where to find what he said, or reply with a link, thanks?

        • ac
          September 30, 2016
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          Ron Borges
          From my previous response to you, yes, I heard that one too it was the original interview
          Posted by you December 4, 2015
          “Boselli talks of dancing to the Hall; Bell, Shell talk Raiders-Chiefs hate”
          I also reread and replayed this one too and cannot locate Art Shell’s statement about Flores deserves induction. Can you show me where to find what he said, or reply with a link? I suggest your audio staff will know where to find his statement, maybe it was edited? Let me know?

          • ac
            October 4, 2016

            Ron Borges and audio staff
            From my previous responses to you, yes, I heard that one too it was the original interview
            Posted by you December 4, 2015
            “Boselli talks of dancing to the Hall; Bell, Shell talk Raiders-Chiefs hate”
            I also reread and replayed this one too and cannot locate Art Shell’s statement about Flores deserves induction. Can you show me where to find what he said, or reply with a link? I suggest your audio staff will know where to find his statement, maybe it was edited? Let me know?

          • October 4, 2016

            Perhaps it wAs edited out. He certainly has said it to me many times.

          • ac
            October 5, 2016

            Ron Borges
            If your audio staff ever comes across that recording, would love to hear it, appreciate you checking too. If you ever get Art Shell to say it again, send the link, thanks

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