Fouts discusses first HOF vote; Doleman scouts HOF nominees

With the Hall-of-Fame vote two weeks away, we visited with first-time voter and first-ballot Hall-of-Famer Dan Fouts to get his take on the field of finalists and what he’s expecting.

Fouts and Hall-of-Fame wide receiver James Lofton have been added to the list of voters, increasing the number to 48, giving a voting voice to Hall-of-Fame members for the first time. When Fouts learned of the honor he said he would try to be a voice for the Hall of Famers themselves … and, on the latest Talk of Fame Network broadcast, he said has been true to his word.

“It’s a real honor to be in the room with you guys,’’ Fouts told our co-hosts, Ron Borges, Rick Gosselin and Clark Judge, who between them have nearly 50 years of Hall-of-Fame voting experience. “I told (his fellow Hall of Famers), ’You now have a voice.’ I’ve gotten quite a bit of input (from polling his fellow Hall of Famers on this year’s class of candidates).

doleman-jpeg“I anticipate being asked my opinion.’’ Fouts added. “I’m sure you guys will want to know what the Hall of Famers think.’’

Fouts said he believes the candidacy of quarterback Kurt Warner will “be an interesting debate,’’ citing non-candidate Jim Plunkett’s equally remarkable life story and two Super Bowl rings as a contrast to Warner.

He also said the presence of four offensive linemen and three defensive backs as finalists should make for a lively discussion. But most revealing was his position that longevity matters “more than you think. It’s a physical grind. It’s a mental grind….how a guy finishes is important.’’

Our guys also sat down with Hall of Fame defensive end Chris Doleman, who assessed the four offensive linemen who are finalists: Left tackles Joe Jacoby and Tony Boselli, center Kevin Mawae and guard Alan Faneca. Doleman had particularly interesting views on Boselli and Jacoby, whom he faced regularly. Which way did he lean? Tune in and listen to him tell you who and why.

Doleman also mentioned two semifinalists who didn’t make the final cut this year, tackles Chris Hinton and Mike Kenn. Of the four, “I’d tip my cap to Chris Hinton,’’ Doleman said. “He was All-Pro at every position but center. He was a stout, stout player.’’

Speaking of stout players, our guys debate the candidacies of those four linemen and how they rate their chances of induction and then predict their longshot candidates in a year Talk of Fame sees as a wide open Hall of Fame race.

Fellow Hall-of-Fame voter Jeff Legwold also pays a visit to discuss the three nominees with ties to the Denver Broncos: Terrell Davis, John Lynch and Brian Dawkins. He will present arguments for Davis as the representative of that city, while Lynch will be presented by the Tampa Bay representative and Dawkins by the Philadelphia representative. But Legwold asked him why the Broncos have twice as many Super Bowl appearances (8) as Hall of Famers (4).

“It’s a great mystery,’’ Legwold said. “Especially when you think of the (Denver) players who have never even been discussed like Louie Wright and Karl Mecklenburg.’’

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  1. bachslunch
    January 20, 2017

    I’m a little concerned about Fouts’s take on two issues. Equating Jim Plunkett (2 titles but horrible stats) with Kurt Warner (1 title and low-end Hall worthy numbers) doesn’t compute with me, even if the issue is “narrative” — even a narrative heavy candidate needs stats that rise beyond embarrassment level. And the longevity argument by itself both shortchages great short career guys like Tony Boselli, Calvin Johnson, Patrick Willis, and Sterling Sharpe while elevating folks with long but just very good careers at the level of Ron McDole and Jim Marshall into the discussion.

  2. Sports Fan
    January 20, 2017

    ATTN: PFHOF Selectors/Voters
    Dan Fouts
    James Lofton

    “First-Ballot-Hall-Of-Famer Dan Fouts said he believes the candidacy of quarterback Kurt Warner will ‘be an interesting debate,’

    First-Ballot-Hall-Of-Famer Dan Fouts also said
    “Flores and Seifert and Johnson ARE AT THIS POINT..WORTHY OF THE PFHOF”

    Important Must Read:
    Link: Hear audio & read All Comments within that Post




    Posted by Ron Borges on May 10, 2016

    State Your Case: Jim Plunkett

    Jim Plunkett is a Hall-of-Fame enigma and a subject of heated, and sometimes overheated, debate. Does he belong in Canton, or is he a permanent resident of the Hall of Very Good?

    This is a question often debated in pro football circles because Plunkett is the only quarterback eligible for the Hall to have started and won multiple Super Bowls without being enshrined. He is also historically significant as he was the first minority quarterback to win a Super Bowl championship and the only Latino named Super Bowl MVP or selected as the NFL draft’s overall first pick.

    Frankly, you cannot write a full history of the game without mentioning Jim Plunkett.

    Plunkett’s career high points are as high as you can get. He was the league’s Rookie of the Year in 1971, leading a moribund New England Patriots’ team to a 6-8 record and upsets of the AFC East leading Miami Dolphins and Baltimore Colts in the final three weeks of the regular season.

    That bright start, however, was dimmed by injury, a leaky offensive line that had him sacked an average of 37 times a year his first three seasons (36, 39 and 37 sacks) and the arrival of former Oklahoma coach Chuck Fairbanks in 1973. With Fairbanks came his belief in the wishbone-option offense, a quarterback-running attack ill-suited to Plunkett’s skills and already beaten up body.

    “I was there for five years,’’ Plunkett told the Talk of Fame Network. “Chuck Fairbanks came in and put in the option…I’m not the most talented running quarterback in the league. I really didn’t want to stay there and run the option as well as drop back and get beat up so I asked to be traded. I wanted to get to San Francisco. I did. I wanted it to work out in the worst way. It did not.’’

    In 1974, Plunkett’s final full year as a starter in New England, he led the Patriots to a 7-7 record, their first .500 record in eight years. But he lost the job the following season to Steve Grogan, whom Fairbanks drafted as much for his running ability as his passing skill, and Plunkett was sent to the 49ers for three first-round draft picks, a second and backup quarterback Tom Owen.

    Plunkett went 7-7 that first season, starting off 6-1 and leading the Niners to their only winning season in an eight-year span that stretched from 1973-1981. In his second year disaster struck again when the Niners hired Joe Thomas as general manager, and he began to unravel the team he’d inherited. He fired head coach Monte Clark and, with that, undid Plunkett, who lasted only one more season before being released.

    The Niners would go 7-23 under Thomas and fire two more head coaches.

    At that point, Plunkett was widely considered a bust, one of the biggest in NFL history. But he would find resurrection across the Bay Bridge in Oakland when Al Davis brought him in to back up Ken Stabler the following summer.

    Plunkett sat for nearly 2-½ seasons, not taking a single snap his first year in Oakland and throwing only 15 passes in 1979, his second. When Davis traded for Houston quarterback Dan Pastorini and made him the starter in 1980, a downhearted Plunkett asked to be traded. Fortunately for him and the Raiders, Davis declined.

    Five weeks into the 1980 season, Pastorini fractured his leg and Plunkett was fitted for the cleated-version of Cinderella’s glass slipper. After throwing five interceptions in his first appearance, he caught fire. The Raiders went 9-2 and became the first wild-card playoff team to win the Super Bowl with Plunkett repeatedly bombing Oakland’s opponents into submission. That included the Eagles in Super Bowl XV, when he passed for 261 yards and three touchdowns to become Super Bowl MVP and Comeback Player of the Year.

    Three years later, Plunkett would do it again, leading the now Los Angeles Raiders to victory over the Washington Redskins in Super Bowl XVIII. Of the five quarterbacks who started and won two Super Bowls and are Hall-of-Fame eligible, four have been inducted. Only Plunkett remains on the outside of Canton’s doors.

    What seems to have stymied his candidacy is that while Plunkett has the jewelry of a Hall-of-Fame quarterback he lacks the numbers. Although he passed for 25,082 yards in an era where running the ball remained paramount, he also threw more interceptions (198) than touchdowns (164), and his completion percentage was only 52.5.

    The latter figures were not unusual at the time because the passing game was played differently than it is today, but when coupled with the fact he was never selected to the Pro Bowl, was never a League MVP and was not named to an all-decade team, his candidacy became a subject for debate.

    How much weight should be given to career numbers when the first seven of his 15 years in the NFL were spent trapped behind some of the most porous lines of his era and on two of the NFL’s most troubled franchises? While Plunkett was 34-53 as a starter in New England and San Francisco, in Oakland he went 38-19 and 8-2 in the playoffs.

    Which numbers best represent the kind of quarterback he was?

    That is the great debate, one likely to go on for years. If you’re a stats guy, he is not your kind of Hall-of-Fame quarterback. But if you’re a jewelry guy or someone who believes trailblazers have their place in the Hall, Jim Plunkett is your man.

    Sports Fan
    May 10, 2016
    ATTN: PFHOF Selectors/Voters

    Dan Fouts

    James Lofton




    Historian Mario Longoria one of the foremost Authors on Latino, Hispanic, Mexican, Chicano Athletes
His work and research can be seen at the Professional Football Hall of Fame, therefore even the Hall of Fame acknowledges his work

    He commented about Coach Tom Flores and Jim Plunkett not being in the Hall of Fame, his comments are extremely important:

“They’re being lost in the mist of time”

    “They are fading into history, becoming obscure”

“By all standards, they should be in the Hall of Fame, but they’re not and the voters don’t take the time to find out the whole story.”

“They won that first Super Bowl together; a Chicano coach and a Chicano quarterback. You cannot put a value on that as an accomplishment, especially not to Mexicans in the Southwest.”

The Raiders with Coach Flores and Jim Plunkett went on to win a 2nd Super Bowl
Historian Mario Longoria’s comments should not be dismissed, minimized, disregarded or overlooked


    From 2002 – L.A. Times – Rob Fernas



    Al Davis has made a record eight presentations to inductees at the Pro Football Hall of Fame, and he would like to make a few more. The Oakland Raider owner says several former Raiders continue to be overlooked.



    Davis, who entered the Hall of Fame in 1992, will be in Canton, Ohio, today for inductions that include former Raider tight end Dave Casper, who will be presented by former Raider coach John Madden.

    Mr. Davis is correct….”THAT’S IMPOSSIBLE”

    How many Hispanics in the NFL Hall of Fame?

    Answer by Trivia Dan

    Three (3):

    Tom Fears, first Mexican-American enshrined
    Steve Van Buren
    Anthony Munoz

    Trivia Dan states:
    “In many people’s opinion,
    the first-ever Hispanic pro starting QB and 2-time Super Bowl-winning head coach, Tom Flores,
    and his QB, Jim Plunkett, the only eligible 2-time winning Super Bowl QB not in the Hall, SHOULD BE, but they are not as of 2014.”
    (Must now wait until #PFHOF 2018)

    This is a direct quote by Trivia Dan of ANSWERS.COM

    From 2014 – ESPN – Paul Gutierrez
    Ray Guy stumps for JIM PLUNKETT, CLIFF BRANCH, TOM FLORES as fellow Hall of Famers

    OAKLAND — It was whispered in certain smoke-filled corners of Silver and Blackdom that Ray Guy could punt a football so far and so high, rain would come down with the pigskin.

    How appropriate, then, that it was in a virtual monsoon that Guy, the first pure punter to be enshrined into the Pro Football Hall of Fame, was honored Thursday night with a halftime ceremony and presented his ring by his children at Coliseum.

    Guy is the 22nd Hall of Famer recognized by the Raiders, and 13 of them were on hand for the shindig — Ron Mix, Jim Otto, Willie Brown, Fred Biletnikoff, Art Shell, Ted Hendricks, Mike Haynes, Howie Long, Dave Casper, Marcus Allen, James Lofton, John Madden and Rod Woodson.

    But before the Oakland Raiders took on a longtime rival in the Kansas City Chiefs, Guy spoke with reporters under an awning to keep dry.

    Guy, who can speak on any number of topics at length, was asked who he thought should be the next Raiders representiative to have his bust next to his in Canton.

    “You can go with [Jim] Plunkett, Cliff Branch, Tom Flores, there’s a ton of them that can go in next,” Guy said. “When is that time? I know the criteria but sometimes they don’t look at the whole criteria. We’re going to push really hard from now on.

    “Now that I’m part of the Hall of Fame, I’ll have a little bit more voice. Hopefully we’ll get a lot more Raiders because we have a lot more deserving.”

    Tim Brown is a semifinalist again (he has been a finalist the past five years) and other names from the past brought up by fans and teammates alike include Ken Stabler, Lester Hayes, Steve Wisniewski, Jack Tatum, Dave Dalby and Raymond Chester.

    I asked Guy why he thought more Raiders were not already enshrined.

    “I don’t know,” he said. “It’s kind of a mystery. I guess there’s this mystique.

    “I can’t figure it out. We need to open their eyes a little more. It’s a different era when you’re talking about those guys. It’s not just about statistics.”

    Or think of it this way … when it rains, it pours.

    From 2013 – ESPN – Paul Gutierrez


    Flores, Plunkett DESERVE CANTON CALL

    Hispanic coach, QB broke barriers and led the Raiders to their 1st Super Bowl XV win-

    Coach Tom Flores and quarterback Jim Plunkett paved the way for Hispanics in the NFL.

    ALAMEDA, Calif. — Their profiles struck a pose as proud as it was profound.

    Seemingly looking ahead to a promising future, they were on the cover of the premiere issue of NFL Pro magazine, their faces above the words “JIM PLUNKETT AND TOM FLORES: HISPANIC PRIDE, POISE AND AN NFL TITLE.”

    It was summer 1981, and the Oakland Raiders’ quarterback and coach were not only reigning atop the football world with a Super Bowl championship, they had blazed trails and broken barriers in doing so.

    And yet, neither understood the magnitude until years later. For Flores, it came when he was traveling the country and a man came up to him during one of his stops, thanked him and told him his father had cried after the Raiders beat the Philadelphia Eagles in Super Bowl XV.

    “I didn’t even know him,” Flores recalled with a laugh. “It was about that Hispanic heritage that we shared. That’s when it really set in, when I saw how proud people were.

    “There were a lot of things I did that were influential, looking back.”

    Flores was the first Latino quarterback in the old AFL, the first Latino coach to win a Super Bowl, and in Seattle, the first Latino general manager in the NFL.

    “I’m proud of these things,” he said.

    And yet, if you were to ask the random fan today who the first minority coach was to win the Super Bowl, more often than not, they would say Tony Dungy.

    While Flores and Plunkett were looking forward in their iconic magazine cover shoot, perhaps it is best to take a look back, to the excitement the two created in a certain segment of society in the waning days of the Carter administration (yes, it was that long ago) to better understand the road they’ve traversed.

    Role models

    After the Raiders beat the San Diego Chargers in the AFC title game, Los Angeles Times columnist Frank del Olmo wrote on Jan. 16, 1981, of the effect the two had among Latinos in general, Mexican-Americans in particular.

    “So it’s a safe bet that in the coming two weeks the Raiders’ head coach, Tom Flores, and the team’s starting quarterback, Jim Plunkett, will be the most publicized and talked about Chicanos in the world,” the late del Olmo wrote. “At least this side of Cesar Chavez.”

    Yes, the civil rights activist and labor leader.

    “Whether the Raiders win or lose the Super Bowl game, millions of Latinos will be proud simply that Flores and Plunkett are there,” del Olmo added. “For they will be there not as representatives of their people, but as competent professionals whose skill, determination and hard work have brought them to the pinnacle of success in their field.”

    And there it was.

    Flores, whose parents were from Chihuahua, Mexico and who grew up working in the fields of the Central California valley, and Plunkett, the son of blind parents in Northern California, had become iconic figures. Not because of their shade of skin color, but because of who they were, and — to borrow from a famous speech — the content of their character, as seen by the masses.

    Their following only grew three years later, when the then-Los Angeles Raiders won the franchise’s third Super Bowl in eight years, this time blowing out defending champion Washington.

    Sal Castro, the late Chicano activist who helped organize the East Los Angeles high school walkouts in 1968 and died April 15, compared the ripple effect of Flores and Plunkett winning titles in football to the cultural phenomenon of “Fernandomania” in baseball, and not just in L.A., even if Fernando Valenzuela was from Mexico and Flores and Plunkett were as American as mom, apple pie, baseball and, well, Taco Bell.

    “Hell yes, there’s a cry in the community to have heroes,” Castro told me in 2011. “Throughout the Southwest, you see people walking around with Raiders shirts on … they’re part of the reason.

    “A lot of chavalitos [youngsters] are crying for positive role models. I hope there will be more Chicanos who will sleep standing up, to get taller. Guys like Flores and Plunkett opened doors. They broke barriers. Both came from humble beginnings, and that only adds to their story and how inspiring they are.”

    Or, as del Olmo wrote nearly 33 years ago of Plunkett, guys in the neighborhood were “talking about him as a Chicano, just like he was a homeboy from East L.A.”

    Plunkett, though, grew up in a San Jose barrio and won the Heisman Trophy at Stanford.

    “I’m proud to be Hispanic,” Plunkett told me on the 30th anniversary of the Raiders’ Super Bowl XV victory. “It’s who I am. And if it helps kids in our community around the country set goals, even better.

    “But it didn’t hit until later. That’s when you have a chance to really step back and take it all in, get an overall view of what I was able to do.”

    Long road for Plunkett

    Plunkett, who was the No. 1 overall draft pick in 1971 by the then-Boston Patriots, had early success in the league before injuries and ineffectiveness waylaid him. He found his way to San Francisco with the 49ers and was thisclose to being out of football for good when he went across the Bay to the Raiders to serve as Ken Stabler’s backup in 1979, which also happened to be Flores’ first year as coach after John Madden retired.

    But when Stabler was shipped to the Houston Oilers in a starter-for-starter trade for Dan Pastorini prior to the 1980 season, Plunkett had enough. He would not be able to compete for the starting gig and went to Flores and asked for his release.

    Flores convinced Plunkett to stick it out. His time came when Pastorini suffered a broken leg in Week 5. The Raiders were foundering at 2-3 when Plunkett became the full-time starter. Oakland won nine of its last 11 games and entered the playoffs as a wild card, beating old friend Stabler and the Oilers in the wild-card game, upending Cleveland in the famous “Red Right 88” game, when Mike Davis picked off Brian Sipe in the end zone, surviving an AFC title game shootout with the Chargers and heading to New Orleans for the Super Bowl.

    Plunkett’s story was equal parts Lazarus and Cinderella, all wrapped in one silver and black bow. Flores, who was known as the “Ice Man” for his cool demeanor as a player, called it a “resurrection” for Plunkett’s career. It’s the kind of stuff that embodies the very fabric of the NFL’s myth and ethos. And yet …

    “They’re being lost in the mist of time,” said Mario Longoria, who wrote “Athletes Remembered: Mexicano/Latino Professional Football Players, 1929-1970.”

    “They are fading into history, becoming obscure.”

    Hall of Fame?

    If you subscribe to the theory that you cannot write the definitive book on the purportedly inclusive NFL without mentioning the accomplishments and contributions of Flores and Plunkett, then where are their gold jackets, their busts in Canton?

    Indeed, many see the Pro Football Hall of Fame as an incomplete shrine without the two.

    “By all standards, they should be in the Hall of Fame,” Longoria lamented, “but they’re not and the voters don’t take the time to find out the whole story.”

    While not as stats-driven as the national pastime of baseball, the national obsession of football is more story-driven, even if Flores was 8-3 in the playoffs and is one of three coaches — with Jimmy Johnson and George Seifert — with at least two Super Bowl wins not already in the Hall. As happened to Seifert in Carolina, though, Flores did not win in his next stop, in Seattle.

    Still, Flores — who was the Raiders’ first quarterback and is one of a handful of QBs to have played in the AFL for its entire existence — has two other rings, one as Len Dawson’s backup in Kansas City for Super Bowl IV, and one as an assistant on Madden’s Oakland staff for Super Bowl XI.

    Lester Hayes, the former Raiders cornerback who won two rings with Flores, called the absence of his former coach in the Hall “so, so foul…the most unfair, the most unjust omission.”

    Flores, 76, pops up every now and then on an early Hall candidates list.

    “I don’t get too excited about it anymore,” he said. “I’m on the ballot and then I fall on the wayside. The voters, whoever they are, are not interested in what guys have done in the past. It’s about the more recent years.”

    Not that he’s against guys who deserve to get in on their first year of eligibility — he mentioned his former running back Marcus Allen as the perfect example of a player who should get in right away. It’s just that with the way the system works, anywhere from four to seven have to get into the Hall every year. And the 46 selectors hash it out in a sequestered room the day before the Super Bowl, whittling their list from 17 finalists, with a candidate needing 80 percent of the vote for election. The way the process plays out, selectors often act as “sponsors,” speaking for candidates, with backroom deals being bartered, critics charge.

    “The system is flawed,” Flores said. “It’s about who yells the loudest in that room.”

    Flores having worked for Raiders owner Al Davis also might be working against him in the minds of selectors.

    “The perception was that Al did it all,” Flores said, “and if they did some homework, they’d see that I coached the team.

    “He had input during the week. We talked all the time, second-guessed each other. I learned most everything from him, his leadership from him. But yeah, the impression was that Al did everything.

    “I don’t begrudge Al for that.”

    Plunkett, 65, was the MVP of Super Bowl XV and is the only eligible starting quarterback with at least two titles not in the Hall. Yeah, he threw a lot of picks, but do yourself a favor and compare his career numbers to those of Joe Namath.

    Meanwhile, Flores’ Hall lot now, he figures, rests with the seniors committee, which examines the cases of players and coaches whose careers have been over for at least 25 years. Plunkett, whose playing career ended in 1986, is already there. Flores, who coached Seattle in 1994, still has some time.

    Ray Guy, Flores’ punter with the Raiders, is a seniors committee nominee this year.

    “They won that first Super Bowl together; a Chicano coach and a Chicano quarterback,” Longoria said. “You cannot put a value on that as an accomplishment, especially not to Mexicans in the Southwest.”

    Transcendent figures, like altars to La Virgen de Guadalupe in the corners of some Latino homes? Not quite.

    But as linked intrinsically as they were successful, Flores and Plunkett are still together, so to speak, raging against time. They co-host with Greg Papa on preseason Raiders telecasts, while Flores joins Papa on the radio in the regular season and Plunkett is with Papa on-set for in-house Raiders television shows.

    “His record speaks for itself,” Flores said of Plunkett. “Maybe he didn’t go to Pro Bowls, but he won.”

    You could say the same of Flores, who actually introduced himself as the Raiders’ coach at Super Bowl media day in New Orleans.

    “I didn’t think anybody knew who I was,” he said.

    They should know now.

    Great Points!

    Scott Dochterman
    March 2, 2016 at 11:43 am
    I get all-decade recognition is important in helping players reach Canton. But players often get overlooked when they are drafted in the middle of one decade and their prime is up before the meat of the next decade. Take Donnie Shell, for instance. He was an unsigned free agent in 1974, a five-time Pro Bowler from 1978-82, a first-team all-pro three times, won four Super Bowls and intercepted 51 passes. But he automatically is devalued because he wasn’t “all-decade.” If there was a “Team of the Decade 1975-85” Shell is on it. But his recognition doesn’t fit into a neat little box, therefore he’s not considered as worthy as other all-decade candidates. I think Jared Allen will fall victim to this as well. Some players are penalized simply because their prime straddles two decades.

    Likewise, some great teams are devalued along similar lines. The Raiders won three Super Bowls from 1976-83, yet they’re not considered “Team of the Decade.” The Redskins played in four Super Bowls and won three from 1982-91, yet one of their wins were outside the 1980s box, and they’re left out like a hanging chad. When the greatest dynasties are discussed, they often are based strictly on one decade: Packers of the 60s, Steelers of the 70s, 1980s 49ers, 1990s Cowboys. THESE OTHER TEAMS BOAST SIMILAR CREDENTIALS BUT DON’T ENJOY THE LABEL. IT’S UNFORTUNATE AND OFTEN IT’S UNFAIR.

    (In response to a Comment re: “State Your Case: Jim Plunkett” Steve & David Comment)

    May 11, 2016
    Hey Rasputin, you mention that completion % was in the 55-57% range by the end of his career. Fair to point out that Plunkett’s completion % as a Raider (the only decent team he ever played for) was 56.2%. And when stakes were highest in the postseason he was just under 60%. This shows that when we wasn’t getting sacked constantly, or running the wishbone(!), he had a strong completion percentage and it got better as the games got more important.
    Having said that, I understand the statistical case against his induction. But he proved to be a QB who could carry a team with the Raiders. And any comparison to Trent Dilfer is laughable. That ’80 team was picked for last place and mired at 2-3 when he took over. The ’83 Raiders were stacked on D but anyone who thinks they would have won it all with Marc Wilson behind center, raise your hand.
    August 7, 2016
    “There are lies , damned lies , and statistics”. A quote from Samuel Clemens , also known as Mark Twain. This illustrates my opinion that some things transcend the numbers. Considering the whole story of Jim Plunkett , the football styles of the times ,2 Superbowl wins, take all that into consideration and he must be included. Of course I’m a homer , having drank beers with him at Talbot’s in Palo Alto back when, and a Raider Fan. This isn’t over yet…

    ATTN: PFHOF Selectors/Voters

    Dan Fouts
James Lofton
    re: A question…Think Jim Plunkett belongs in #PFHOF
    Joe Theismann Tweeted:

re: Raiders in the #PFHOF
#PFHOF Voter Jason Cole Tweeted:
“I’d push for Plunkett”
    re: “LOCO”

    Dave Dameshek Tweeted:
    “You know what’s loco?
    Snake Stabler JUST got into the Hall,
    Jim Plunkett STILL isn’t in,
    but Bob Griese’s had a gold jacket for 26 yrs.”
    Joseph Wright responded
    May 25, 2016

    AMEN, Dave!!! They GAVE Griese Stabler’s spot in 1990, kept Stabler out until he died, and then lamely justified it for almost 30 years! JEEEEZZZ!!
    Sports Fan
    May 25, 2016

    Talk Of Fame


    ATTN: PFHOF Selectors/Voters

    Dan Fouts
James Lofton



    Thank you for your reply

    re: “lamely justified” & “Stabler”


    Ken “Snake” Stabler should have been Inducted while he was alive so He/Family/Love Ones could have enjoyed the entire process/experience!


    There are others that should have been Inducted while they were alive too!

    re: PFHOF17 (now #PFHOF 2018)

Jim Plunkett/Tom Flores are both going on 30yrs. now waiting for Induction
– Both have Never made it passed the First Preliminary Ballot process!

    – Both have Never made it as a Semi-Finalist OR Finalist!


    Tom Flores will turn 80yrs old for the PFHOF17 Class
    (now 81yrs for #PFHOF 2018 Class)


    Those that are Worthy, get them ALL in while their alive!
    That should be a Priority!

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