Which “Outsider” deserves greater HOF consideration?

(Neil Smith photo courtesy of Denver Broncos)

Miami Dolphins tackle Richmond Webb prepares to block Buffalo Bills defensive end Bruce Smith during the Dolphins 37-22 loss to the Buffalo Bills in the 1995 AFC Wild Card Playoff Game on December 30, 1995 at Rich Stadium in Orchard Park, New York. 1995 AFC Wild Card Playoff Game - Miami Dolphins vs Buffalo Bills - December 30, 1995 (AP Photo/NFL Photos)

(Neil Smith photo on the cover courtesy of Eric Bakke/Denver Broncos)
(Richmond Webb photo courtesy of the Miami Dolphins)

Talk of Fame Network

We wrapped up our Insiders/Outsiders series at the Talk of Fame Network this week, presenting on six consecutive shows a Hall-of-Fame candidate on the preliminary list of 94 for the Class of 2017 (Insiders) plus a candidate not on the list whom we believe deserved consideration (Outsiders).

The six outsiders were offensive tackles Lomas Brown and Richmond Webb, tight end Jimmie Giles, defensive tackle La’Roi Glover, defensive end Neil Smith and outside linebacker Wilber Marshall. None has been a Hall-of-Fame semifinalist, much less a finalist.

Now it’s your turn to vote.

In this week’s Talk of Fame Network poll, we’re asking our listeners and readers which of the six “Outsiders” deserves the strongest consideration going forward for a bust in Canton. Here is a summary of the your candidates:

Lomas Brown. Only one offensive lineman in NFL history played in and started more games than Lomas Brown. That was Bruce Matthews, and he’s in the Hall of Fame. Brown played 18 seasons at left tackle, the offensive line’s most demanding position, with five teams and was voted to seven consecutive Pro Bowls, all with the Detroit Lions in the 1990s. He blocked for two Barry Sanders rushing titles, started for the New York Giants in the 2001 Super Bowl and finally won a Lombardi Trophy in his final season with the Tampa Bay Buccaneers in 2002.


(Lomas Brown photo courtesy oft he Detroit Lions)

Jimmie Giles. Playing in an era when tight ends were blockers first and pass catchers second, Giles became a four-time Pro Bowler with Tampa Bay in the late 1970s and early 1980s. He was a third-round draft pick by the Oilers in 1977 but was traded to the Buccaneers in 1978 and helped them vault from worst to first, reaching the NFC title game in 1979. He flourished catching passes from Doug Williams and also spent a good deal of his time blocking. James Wilder set an NFL record for carries with 407 at Tampa in 1984 — a record that would stand for 14 years. Giles caught 350 passes in his 13-year career for 5,084 yards with 41 touchdowns.

TAMPA, FL - DECEMBER 15: Tight end Jimmie Giles #88 of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers carries the ball against the Indianapolis Colts at Tampa Stadium on December 15, 1985 in Tampa, Florida. The Buccaneers lost 23-31. (Photo by Allen's Studio/Tampa Bay Buccaneers)

(Jimmie Giles photo courtesy of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers)

La’Roi Glover. A six-time Pro Bowler and a member of the 2000s NFL all-decade team. Glover is one of the NFL’s great success stories, arriving in Oakland in 1996 as an undrafted college free agent who also spent a season playing overseas in the World League in 1997 before striking gold as a 3-4 nose tackle. He was cut by the Raiders that summer and signed with the New Orleans Saints. He led the league with 17 sacks in 2000 and wound up going to six Pro Bowls, two with the Saints and three with the Cowboys. He was a four-time All-Pro selection and collected 83 ½ sacks in his 13-year career.


(La’Roi Glover photo courtesy of the New Orleans Saints)

Wilber Marshall. One of the most complete linebackers of his era, Marshall could make plays on both sides of the field and on both sides of the line of scrimmage. His first year as an NFL starter was as a weakside backer with the 1985 Chicago Bears in Buddy Ryan’s 46 scheme, and he won a second Super Bowl as a strongside backer on the 1991 Washington Redskins. He went to three Pro Bowls, twice as a weakside backer and once on the strongside, and his defenses ranked in the NFL’s Top 10 in nine of his 12 seasons. He collected 1,020 career tackles, with 46 sacks, 24 interceptions and 24 forced fumbles.


(Wilber Marshall photo courtesy of the Washington Redskins)

Neil Smith. A six-time Pro Bowler who was named to the 1990s NFL all-decade team. He arrived in the NFL as the second overall choice of the Kansas City Chiefs in 1988 and won an NFL sack crown with 15 in 1993. Smith collected 104 ½ sacks in his 13 seasons. He may have been overshadowed early in his career by Kansas City teammate and Hall-of-Fame pass rusher Derrick Thomas, but Smith left the Chiefs in free agency in 1997 and wound up winning back-to-back Super Bowls with the Denver Broncos.

Kansas City Chiefs defensive Neil Smith rushes in against the San Diego Chargers during an NFL football game on November 24, 1996 in Kansas City, Missouri. The Chargers defeated the Chiefs 28-14. (AP Photo/G. Newman Lowrance)

(Neil Smith photo courtesy of the Kansas City Chiefs)

Richmond Webb. A seven-time Pro Bowl selection and another member of the 1990s NFL all-decade team. Webb was the ninth overall choice of the 1990 draft by the Miami Dolphins and spent the better part of the decade protecting the blind side of Hall-of-Fame passer Dan Marino. Like Smith, he played 13 seasons and was a first-team All-Pro four times. He went to his seven Pro Bowls in succession, starting with his rookie season in 1990. Along the way he set a franchise record with his 118 consecutive starts. He was voted to the Dolphins Honor Roll in 2006.

Buffalo Bills Bruce Smith (78) attempts to get past Miami Dolphins Richmond Webb (78) during the NFL football game between the Miami Dolphins and the Buffalo Bills on December 30, 1995 Buffalo, New York. The Bills won the game 37-22. (AP Photo/Paul Spinelli)

(Richmond Webb photo courtesy of the  Miami Dolphins)

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  1. November 2, 2016

    I’m putting O.J. Anderson as a write-in vote! 🙂

  2. Justin
    November 2, 2016

    Leslie O’Neal would be another good candidate.

  3. Rick Gosselin
    November 2, 2016

    O.J. & O’Neal are on the preliminary list of 94 candidates for the Class of 2017. The six in this poll were passed over.

  4. Jeff
    November 2, 2016

    Oh, now that I’m seeing this list I understand why I kept seeing “Wilber Marshall for the HOF” posts in my facebook feed today. Redskins.com must keep a close eye on you guys 🙂
    (Honestly, Marshall was a fine player but I think he’s at the bottom of this list). It’s stunning that these guys aren’t on the preliminary list.

    • November 3, 2016

      Stunning is the right word. Expect they will be on next year after we brought this to everyones attention.

    • Joe Norsworthy
      November 4, 2016

      Jimmie Giles is at the bottom of this list.

  5. Justin
    November 3, 2016

    Why doesn’t the PFHOF set up a list of criteria for automatically making the preliminary list? This is what he Baseball HOF does with its ballot. For example, anyone who made an all decade team, multiple pro bowls, etc. is automatically on the preliminary list until their 25 years of eligibility expire (or maybe 15 if they do not make it to the semi-finalists list during the 15 year process). This doesn’t preclude others also making the list the current nomination process. This isn’t rocket science.

  6. Bear fan Bob
    November 3, 2016

    Marshall was terrific bears and redskins might not win super bowls without him. Still waiting for Jay Hilgenburg to get his HOF he deserves it also. The Stat that is always overlooked or never looked is. WHAT did the team do before said player, during service to the team, then after said player was gone? When the HOF gets this figured out it will be much better for all. ….

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