State Your Case: Why Cookie Gilchrist is worthy of HOF consideration


Cookie Gilchrist trading card courtesy of Topps

They call it the Pro Football Hall of Fame.

But it’s not. It’s the NFL Hall of Fame.

For Canton to be the Pro Football Hall of Fame, all forms of gridiron achievement would need to be recognized. Miller Farr’s six interceptions in the World Football League would count toward his Hall-of-Fame candidacy. Herschel Walker’s 5,562 rushing yards in the USFL would count toward his candidacy. Doug Flutie’s 41,355 passing yards in the CFL would count toward his candidacy.

But they do not.

If the Pro Football Hall of Fame was indeed all inclusive, Cookie Gilchrist would already have a bust in Canton. Gilchrist played the first six seasons of his professional career in Canada and his final six seasons in the AFL.

How talented was Cookie? Hall-of-Fame coach Paul Brown of the Cleveland Browns tried to sign him in 1954 when he was still in high school. But the NFL overruled the contract, so Gilchrist moved north to play his football in Canada. Three years later, the Browns drafted Jim Brown, who is considered the greatest player in NFL history.

“I told Jim Brown to his face that if I had stayed with the Browns,” Gilchrist once said, “nobody would have heard of him.”

Gilchrist made the All-CFL team in each of his first five seasons as a professional. He rushed for a team-leading 958 yards and seven touchdowns for the Grey Cup champion Hamilton Tiger-Cats in 1957 and also intercepted three passes as a linebacker on defense, returning two of them for scores.

In 1958, after his trade to Saskatchewan, Gilchrist finished as the CFL rushing runnerup with 1,254 yards. In 1959, after his trade to Toronto, he added the placekicking chores to his workload. Gilchrist scored 73 points that season on five touchdowns, nine field goals and 16 conversion kicks – and also intercepted a career-best four passes that season. All this in a three-down league, not like the four-down game played in the NFL.

In 1960, Gilchrist scored 100 points on seven touchdowns, five field goals and 43 conversions. He also caught a career-high 25 passes and finished as the runnerup for CFL MVP. He made the All-CFL team that season on both sides of the ball, at fullback on offense and linebacker on defense.

Gilchrist moved back south of the border to the Buffalo Bills in 1962. He promptly became the first AFL player ever to rush for 1,000 yards in a season, leading the league with his 1,096 yards, averaging a Jim Brown-like 5.1 yards per carry. He scored 13 touchdowns on the ground and two more through the air. That earned Gilchrist AFL MVP honors and the first of his four consecutive AFL All-Star Game invites.

Gilchrist rushed for a league-leading 14 touchdowns in 1963, then led the AFL in rushing again with 981 yards in 1964. He capped his season with a 122-yard rushing effort in a 20-7 victory over San Diego that gave the Bills their first AFL championship.

But his journeys continued. The Bills traded Gilchrist to the Broncos in 1965, then he moved on to the first-year Miami Dolphins in 1966, then back to the Broncos in 1967.

Gilchrist was a civil rights advocate 50 years before Colin Kaepernick. He led a boycott at the 1965 AFL All-Star Game, forcing the contest to be moved from New Orleans to Houston because New Orleans wanted to segregate the black players from the white ones in hotels. Gilchrist also was voted to the CFL Hall of Fame but turned down the honor, citing “racism and exploitation by management.”

On the field, Gilchrist was a freak of nature – a 6-1, 251-pound package of power and speed who was bigger than the defensive linemen and linebackers of his day. He set a pro football record with 243 yards rushing in a game against the New York Jets in 1963 – a record that stood for eight years before Willie Ellison of the Rams rushed for 247 yards in a 1971 NFL game against the New Orleans Saints. Gilchrist was voted to the all-time All-AFL team.

In his 12 year career over two leagues and six cities, Gilchrist rushed for 9,204 yards, caught 196 passes and scored 76 touchdowns. He also kicked 19 field goals and intercepted 12 passes.

Gilchrist passed away in 2011 at the age of 75. The Bills will enshrine him posthumously into their Wall of Honor on Oct. 29 during halftime ceremonies of a game against the Oakland Raiders. His talent and career are both worthy of a look from Canton.

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199 Comments

  1. Rasputin
    October 17, 2017
    Reply

    I’m sorry, did you just call Colin Kaepernick a “civil rights advocate”? Being a racial militant vaguely crying “oppression” doesn’t automatically make one a champion of civil rights. Kaepernick infamously heaped praise on Fidel Castro’s regime, a communist government where civil rights were nonexistent, especially due process. Kangaroo tribunals and summary executions were employed instead. Kaepernick would struggle to define the term “civil rights” if asked. Don’t denigrate true civil rights advocates by lumping him in with them.

    • Joseph Wright
      October 17, 2017
      Reply

      Oh, and a “freedom genius” like you could easily define the term “civil rights.” You’d be ripping Gilchrist just as badly as you’ve ripped Kaepernick, Jim Brown, and Kenny Easley if you had full knowledge of him. You have yet to give credit to ANY NFL Black head coach or quarterback, Razzie (BTW, someone other than Dak Prescott, Cowboy homer) . No wonder you, and not me, has had comments deleted from this site for your thinly veiled racist and bigoted rants.

      • Rasputin
        October 17, 2017
        Reply

        Why, did Gilchrist praise totalitarian societies with no civil rights too? The boycott he led was against REAL racial discrimination, New Orleans wanting to segregate players at hotels, so in that regard at least he sounds like my kind of guy.

        You’re really butthurt to keep following me around lying like this, Joseph Wright. You never have posted a single bigoted sentence I’ve ever written, but if you want I could repost some of your racially bigoted comments as I did on that previous thread.

        • Rasputin
          October 17, 2017
          Reply

          Oh and it’s funny that you shove “Jim Brown” in there since a few weeks ago I extensively quoted him criticizing the anti-American protests. Don’t pretend that all those guys you listed are the same in every way.

          • Joseph Wright
            October 17, 2017

            You have criticized Jim Brown extensively on his social activism. Now you are hypocritically “embracing” him with selective “cherry-picking.” When Kaepernick first brought this to everyone’s attention, Brown said, “”He’s within his rights and he’s telling the truth as he sees it,” Brown said. “I am with him 100 percent.” See http://abc7.com/sports/jim-brown-on-colin-kaepernick-i-am-with-him-100-percent/1491148/.

            So given the crickets you allow to chirp around you, let me say it on your behalf: Everyone, the racist troll known on this site as “Rasputin” FULLY believes there have NEVER been ANY quality Black head coaches or quarterbacks EVER in the National Football League. Giving credit to Dak Prescott is a cop-out because Razzie is a Cowboys homer. Although, Rasputin was obviously disturbed by the color of Randall Cunningham’s skin when he played for Dallas. The same Randall Cunningham that has a higher career passer rating than John Elway and a winning record vs. Elway, Troy Aikman and Brett Favre. And Rasputin will NEVER explain why Warren Moon went undrafted and had to play in Canada for six years.

          • Rasputin
            October 17, 2017

            Well that’s a lie. I had a poster of Warren Moon on my wall growing up, lol, and always thought he should be a first ballot HoFer. I supported Dungy’s HoF candidacy including I think on this very site. I also explicitly PRAISED Cunningham’s performance for Dallas during a hard time for the franchise. I’ve never said anything derogatory about “black” QBs or coaches and you’ve failed to quote a single bigoted sentence I’ve ever written because I’m not and have never been a racial bigot.

            And I never denied criticizing Brown for some things. He’s done some really stupid stuff in the past, like disrespecting Franco Harris by boasting that he could beat the guy in a race (that televised stunt didn’t turn out well for Brown). I’ve praised him for other things. Here’s what Brown said a few weeks ago on the anthem protests (from various news outlets):

            “I’m going to give you the real deal: I’m an American,” Brown said. “I don’t desecrate my flag and my national anthem. I’m not gonna do anything against the flag and national anthem. I’m going to work within those situations. But this is my country, and I’ll work out the problems, but I’ll do it in an intelligent manner.”…

            “If you have a cause, I think you should organize it, present it in a manner where it’s not only you standing or sitting on one knee, but a lot of people that is gonna get behind each other and do something about it,” Brown said. “If I ask you one question: Who is Colin calling on to follow what he’s talking about?”….

            “Colin has to make up his mind whether he’s truly an activist or he’s a football player,” Brown said. “Football is commercial. You have owners. You have fans. And you want to honor that if you’re making that kind of money…”

            Brown added: “You have to understand there’s intelligence that’s involved, OK? I can’t be two things at once that contradict each other. If I sign for money, then the people I sign with, they have rules and regulations.”

            Brown also apparently met with Browns players after their initial flop of a protest blew up in their faces and the next game they were all standing for the anthem.

          • Joseph Wright
            October 17, 2017

            Let’s see, March 22, 2017…”Jim Brown was a great player but, in addition to being a moron and screwing up careers like Duane Thomas’ …It’s disgusting that the media keeps legitimizing this guy by trotting him out from time to time to discuss political/racial/social issues as if he’s some sage.” And NOW, we are supposed to believe Jim Brown is your guy? GTFOH!
            “LOL! You’re basing your libel that Zimmerman is a “racist” on him arguing that Randall Cunningham should maybe be converted to a skill position player?!?! That’s still a defensible position TODAY.” Well, well, well. Rasputin defends the Confederates and now he defends the bigoted notion that a Black QB who is a talented passer should be shifted to another position. Sounds like a liar and racist bigot ( “I also explicitly PRAISED Cunningham’s performance for Dallas during a hard time for the franchise. I’ve never said anything derogatory about “black” QBs or coaches and you’ve failed to quote a single bigoted sentence I’ve ever written because I’m not and have never been a racial bigot”) to me. “Cunningham was a good QB, if you count his running ability, but he wasn’t great. Romo was great. ” This is explicit PRAISE? Just for the record: Tony Romo was NEVER a great quarterback. Cunningham was far better.
            “Cunningham had it easy.” Yep, Razzie. That ranks right up there with Mike Ditka’s “No oppression in the last 100 years” rant.
            “Remember I called him (Cunningham) a “good” QB. I just pointed out that it’s not an insane argument to make, especially when he was first coming into the league.” He only came into the league as one of only three QBs in college football history to pass for 2,500 yards three consecutive seasons (at least up to that time in history as more have probably followed; at the time the others were John Elway and Doug Flutie). But he’s singled out by Zimmerman and other bigots to be shifted from the QB position. But, to Razzie, that’s “defensible.” Amazing. Way to PRAISE a guy.
            Would LOVE to hear your explanation on why your new poster boy (after all these posts he NOW says he liked Warren Moon–yeah, right) went undrafted and had to play in Canada for six years.
            “I’ll point out that the guy (Doug Williams) is only somewhat famous outside of racial chauvinist circles because he had one great quarter in the Super Bowl. As a backup Williams only started 2 games in that 1987 regular season you’re feebly trying to brag about.” He also relieved Schroeder in three other games and led them on a Super Bowl run. Would Schroeder have done that in ’87. Later, bigot.

          • Rasputin
            October 17, 2017

            While you can’t post a single racially bigoted quote I’ve ever written, here’s a small sample of your racially bigoted quotes, Joseph Wright, from the Lee Roy Jordan article where you expressed your feeling that safeties like Larry Wilson and Cliff Harris don’t belong in the HoF because they’re white.

            “Harris was a White man and, when it came time to defend Lynn Swann, he couldn’t jump. No racism, just stating the truth.” – Joseph Wright

            “players like Harris, Larry Wilson, Dick Anderson, Blackwood Brothers were relics from the 60s who couldn’t hold up against modern athletes” – Joseph Wright

            “It’s players like Cliff Harris, Larry Wilson, Dick Anderson and Bill Bates that USC’s Sam Cunningham exploited that gave Paul “Bear” Bryant the vision and validation (to closed-minded, in-denial Confederates) to update his talent pool. The Larry Wilsons and Cliff Harrises were out and the Tatums and Ken Houstons were in.” – Joseph Wright

            “Cliff Harris was on the track team (lol)? What’d he do? Throw the javelin? Run the mile? Poll vault? I KNOW it wasn’t the sprints or the high-jump. LMFAO!!!” – Joseph Wright (I then informed Wright that actually Harris was a sprinter in college, lol)

            “damn! Harris couldn’t run OR jump” – Joseph Wright

            That was despite me debunking your prejudiced assumptions by posting facts about Harris’ high scouting vertical and video footage of him torching most of the field in an NFL superstars race near the end of his career. Plus you apparently don’t follow the current NFL enough to have heard of guys like Eric Weddle or Harrison Smith.

            See? I can back up my statements about you, Wright. You can’t back up your lies about me. So stuff your projection.

          • Rasputin
            October 18, 2017

            Aside from the fact that you left out the parts where I go on to extensively support all those claims, which one of those quotes is supposed to be “bigoted”? Criticizing an individual who happens to be black isn’t “racist”, nor is saying he wasn’t as good as some other player. Prejudice would be saying he wasn’t as good BECAUSE of his skin color, as you have extensively. Here’s an example of a racially bigoted quote:

            “Harris was a White man and, when it came time to defend Lynn Swann, he couldn’t jump. No racism, just stating the truth.” – Joseph Wright

            You can’t find a single quote of me saying anything like your quote above. I’ve said nothing derogatory about black people or any other race, and yet you’re still here persisting in your lies and avoiding addressing your own, actual bigoted comments in cowardly fashion. Pathetic.

            Regarding your quotes:

            – The Doug Williams comment was in response to you insanely claiming that Williams was better than HoFer Sonny Jurgensen. In fact you insisted that Williams was so manifestly better that PAUL ZIMMERMAN was a “racist” for saying otherwise in his 1980s versus 1970s QBs piece done in the late 1980s. You also posted a bunch of crap indicating that you liked how Williams allegedly threw the term “redneck” around to insult white people. I don’t know how much if any Williams would agree with your warped little worldview, but you clearly see him as some sort of champion (and I’m not talking Super Bowl).

            Career Stats
            Doug Williams – 49.5% completion, 6.8 y/a, 16,998 yards, 69.4 passer rating, 0 Pro Bowls, never led the league in yards

            Sonny Jurgensen – 57.1% completion, 7.6 y/a, 32,224 yards, 82.6 passer rating, 5 Pro Bowls, led the league in yards 5 years

            Not even close. That’s despite Jurgensen playing in a far less stat inflated era. The champion Redskins certainly gave Williams a chance, making him the starter in 1988, while the old starter Schroeder who had gotten injured left for the Raiders. Even Schroeder posted better career stats than Williams:

            Jay Schroeder – 50.8% completion, 7.1 y/a, 20,063 yards, 71.7 passer rating, 1 Pro Bowl

            None of this has anything to do with the skin colors involved. It’s just a comparison of individuals. You’re the one viewing everything through a racial prism. And I’m not trying to run Williams down. He did an awesome thing most players never get to. I’m blasting your insipid argument. Only a mindless racial bigot like you would even challenge Zimmerman’s (or my) assessment there, let alone stupidly assert that it proves him (or me) “racist”.

            – On Jim Brown, I just got done saying I’ve criticized him in the past and rightly so. I even gave a specific example of his stupidity higher on this thread. I never said he’s “my guy” (whatever that means). I just chastised you for lumping him in with Kaepernick and others as though there are no nuanced differences between them. I already posted a huge quote from Brown opposing the anthem protests and thoughtfully taking Kaepernick to task to prove that. Maybe Brown has gotten smarter as he’s aged. It happens sometimes. You have no point here.

            – You keep obsessing over “Confederates”. I didn’t “defend the Confederates”. The only time I even mentioned the Civil War was after you did when you were touting your supposed historical knowledge and claimed the Civil War was a one sided affair like the particular NFL game you were comparing it to (you also blamed Dallas for JFK being assassinated). All I did was post the casualty figures for each side to show how stupid your cakewalk analogy was. I was highlighting your historical ignorance and would have done the same if you had claimed the Romans had easily rolled over the Carthaginians in the Second Punic War (look it up, moron).

            – On Randall Cunningham, you omitted where I said I WOULDN’T have made him a skill position position player. But it wasn’t any more insane or “racist” to suggest otherwise than people saying Johnny Manziel should convert to WR. Paul Zimmerman didn’t say that until 1987, after Cunningham had played two pretty bad seasons at NFL QB, during which he had completed 50% of his passes for 9 TDs, 15 INTs, and a miserable 60.0 passer rating. But he was the second leading rusher on the team in 1986 with 540 rushing yards, averaging 8.2 y/c on 66 attempts. It was a very defensible comment. If anything Zimmerman was trying to keep the guy in the league. And after Cunningham turned things around Zimmerman was quick to recognize that, calling him a “budding star” in 1988 (YOU accidentally linked to that article, lol; unlike you I read all of it). I appreciate you confirming what I said about having called him a “good” QB though.

            You toss around the “racist” accusation like a kid on a sugar high fires a water pistol.

            – Joseph Wright: “Tony Romo was NEVER a great quarterback. Cunningham was far better.”

            Cunningham retired ranking 20th in passer rating, 47th in completion percentage, and tied for 60th in yards/attempt (that’s his own era and earlier). Romo still ranks 4th in passer rating, 5th in completion percentage, and 5th in yards/attempt despite playing with a crap offensive line for much of his career and never having a great defense like Cunningham enjoyed in his prime. Heck, Cunningham never even ranked in the top 5 in completion percentage. Romo made Laurent Robinson famous with 11 TD catches in his only season at Dallas (he combined for 4 the rest of his career).

            LOL!

            Cunningham was a good QB if you count his running ability, but he wasn’t great. Romo was great.

            – There’s nothing “new” about me being a Warren Moon fan. The Houston Oilers were my second favorite team.

            Joseph Wright, you’re projecting your own racial bigotry onto others. Do yourself a favor and give it a rest.

          • Joseph Wright
            October 18, 2017

            “Cunningham retired ranking 20th in passer rating, 47th in completion percentage, and tied for 60th in yards/attempt (that’s his own era and earlier). Romo still ranks 4th in passer rating, 5th in completion percentage, and 5th in yards/attempt despite playing with a crap offensive line for much of his career and never having a great defense like Cunningham enjoyed in his prime. Heck, Cunningham never even ranked in the top 5 in completion percentage.” And RC had a good OL in Philly? Romo’s passing statistics are inflated because he played in an era that has basically shackled defenders in pass coverage. It’s ridiculous that a guy like him completed 60+ percent of his passes every season. Put him in the late 80s and he’s a cross between Bubby Brister and David Woodley. Contrast his four Pro Bowls with RC’s. RC was a starter three times; Romo made it as a starter only in his fourth Pro Bowl, largely no doubt, because Goodell let former Cowboy Michael Irvin pick the teams.
            Cunningham split the league MVP polls in 1988, 1990, and 1998. He was AP 1st team All-Pro in 1998. He led the league in passing in ’98. RC is one of only three players to win the Bert Bell award three times (the other two: Johnny Unitas and Peyton Manning). How “bad” of a passer could RC have been if 1) He completed 56.6 for his career 2) passed for more TDs than INTs for his career (+70)? Tony Romo never was held in that high esteem–EVER. And you say Z’s bigoted, racist suggestion was “trying to keep him in the league?” Randall Cunningham was not worthy of being in the NFL? What about Tarkenton, Staubach, Elway, or Young? Did they need someone to keep them in the league? RC’s stats after two years were no worse and in some cases better than theirs after they had completed two years in the NFL. Z and you singled him out because he’s Black.

            Zimmerman and your bigotry would not allow you to admit Doug Williams was far better in ’87 than Jurgensen was in ’73. Given your further ramblings on this specific subject, I suppose you believe that Jay Schroeder was better than Williams. You really believe Schroeder could have taken Washington to the top in ’87? Please. Romo played behind a crap OL? Name me some quality OLs from the Tampa Bay Bucs when Williams was there. Quite often, he threw several passes away to avoid the sack and save the Bucs field position. That will lower any QB’s percentage. If you are going to say Steve Young’s stats were dragged down by playing with the Bucs why don’t you afford Doug Williams that same courtesy? And as for him rightfully (as I do with you) calling Bucs owner Hugh Culverhouse a redneck, was he wrong? The guy made Williams the 54th highest paid QB in a league with 28 starters. Virtually every BACKUP is making more than him. And then after Williams led Tampa to its greatest success to that point (two divisional titles; three winning seasons; three playoff berths), he lets him go rather than give him a raise after his contract expires. Tampa Bay disappears from the playoffs for 14 straight years. You think that’s a coincidence? Oh, yeah, redneck Razzie, I can see it now on your next post: “I always said the Bucs should have signed Doug Williams.” Yeah, right. Just like you’ve always had the poster of Warren Moon. SURE. Oh, BTW, still waiting to see your wonderful explanation of why Warren Moon (senior year: PAC-8 Player of the Year; Rose Bowl MVP) was undrafted out of U. of Washington and had to leave the country and play in Canada for six years.

            “Here’s an example of a racially bigoted quote:

            ‘Harris was a White man and, when it came time to defend Lynn Swann, he couldn’t jump. No racism, just stating the truth.’ – Joseph Wright”
            Proper context needed: I simply was adding some humor (something “Rasputin”–whatever–lacks) with a reference to the Wesley Snipes/Woody Harrelson movie “White Men Can’t Jump.” Dude went overboard, claiming to be offended. What he doesn’t show you readers is that I also pointed out that Rocky Bleier and Dwight Clark (and, of course, many others) dispelled the humorous myth while sorry-ass Cliff Harris could not. Last I checked, White Men Can’t Jump was a box-office hit and a critically acclaimed movie that was not banned or pulled from the theaters. Were you that lone, dumbass picketer in front of the theater in 1992, Razzie? LMFAO!!!

          • Rasputin
            October 18, 2017

            Me: “Cunningham retired ranking 20th in passer rating, 47th in completion percentage, and tied for 60th in yards/attempt (that’s his own era and earlier). Romo still ranks 4th in passer rating, 5th in completion percentage, and 5th in yards/attempt despite playing with a crap offensive line for much of his career and never having a great defense like Cunningham enjoyed in his prime. Heck, Cunningham never even ranked in the top 5 in completion percentage.”

            Joseph Wright: “Romo’s passing statistics are inflated because he played in an era that has basically shackled defenders in pass coverage. It’s ridiculous that a guy like him completed 60+ percent of his passes every season. Put him in the late 80s and he’s a cross between Bubby Brister and David Woodley.”

            …wow….Did you not even read what you quoted me saying, little Joey? I posted each QB’s rankings at the time of their retirement (even a little later in Romo’s case), not raw numbers. I was only comparing Cunningham to people who played in his era and before, and he didn’t come close to measuring up to what Romo did compared to his own peers. The undeniable idiocy of your response just underscores that you have no credibility whatsoever.

            Romo should have gone to at least 5 Pro Bowls, as he was passed over in 2011 despite posting a 102.5 rating. He also threw 248 TDs to only 117 interceptions, more than 2.1 TDs for each interception, so I’m not sure why you were trying to knock his TD/INT ratio.

            Joseph Wright: “And you say Z’s bigoted, racist suggestion was “trying to keep him in the league?” Randall Cunningham was not worthy of being in the NFL? What about Tarkenton, Staubach, Elway, or Young? Did they need someone to keep them in the league? RC’s stats after two years were no worse and in some cases better than theirs after they had completed two years in the NFL. Z and you singled him out because he’s Black.”

            …sigh…I didn’t single out anyone and am only talking about this because you raised the issue. It’s incredible that you bring up 1970s/60s QBs to compare to a guy who played into the 21st Century after your projection filled lecture on how passing stats from different eras aren’t directly comparable, and you’re completely wrong anyway. Lets look at facts. After two years:

            Randall Cunningham (1985, 86) – 60.4 rating, 50% completion, 1,939 yards, 9 TDs, 15 INTs

            Frank Tarkenton (1961, 62) – 70.4 rating, 52.5% completion, 4,592 yards, 40 TDs, 42 INTs

            John Elway (1983, 84) – 67.9 rating, 52.7% completion, 4,261 yards, 25 TDs, 29 INTs

            Steve Young (1985, 85) – 63.1 rating, 53.3% completion, 3,217 yards, 11 TDs, 21 INTS

            Roger Staubach, drafted in the 10th round due to his impending military service, only played sparingly behind Craig Morton when he returned. The Heisman winner didn’t get to contest for the starting job until 1971. That year Staubach posted a 104.8 passer rating, 59.7% completion, 15 TDs to 4 INTs, and led his team to a Super Bowl win.

            For perspective, in 1971 when Staubach had that 104.8 season rating the average NFL passer rating was only 59.3. When Cunningham posted a 29.8 rating for his rookie season of 1985 the NFL average was up to 70.7. Even Cunningham’s 83 rating in his breakout third season of 1987 wasn’t that much higher than the league average of 72.6.

            As for their overall careers, let’s get real:

            Career Passer Rating Rank At Retirement

            Roger Staubach – #1
            Steve Young – #1
            Tony Romo – #4
            Fran Tarkenton – #7
            Bob Griese – #12
            Randall Cunningham – #20

            Career Completion Percentage Rank At Retirement

            Steve Young – #1
            Roger Staubach – #5
            Tony Romo – #5
            Fran Tarkenton – #5
            Bob Griese – #11
            Randall Cunningham – #47

            I threw in Griese because I remember how much disdain you have for him, lol. So no, Cunningham wasn’t as good as any of those QBs you mentioned starting out or overall. He did finish with a slightly higher passer rating than Elway thanks to a boost in the late 90s, but then Elway was never celebrated as an efficiency guy. His claim to fame is passing volume, with 51,475 yards to Cunningham’s 29,979, and of course 2 Super Bowl wins. What’s telling is that Cunningham didn’t pass Elway in rating until 1998, John’s last year, and that Elway still finished with a higher completion percentage than Cunningham, despite not having a great completion percentage himself. Elway also had more yards/attempt.

            Conversely, let’s look at their rushing yards early on to see why Zimmerman might have viewed that as Cunningham’s strong point.

            Rushing Yards Through First Two Years

            Randall Cunningham – 745
            John Elway – 383
            Frank Tarkenton – 669
            Steve Young – 658
            Roger Staubach – 281

            Remember that Elway, Tarkenton, and Young were all full time starters. In 1971 Staubach rushed for 343 yards. Also remember that people were saying Johnny Manziel should switch to WR before he ever played a down in the NFL, despite him being the only Sophomore Heisman winner in history and posting great college passing stats. That’s because analysts weren’t confident his game would translate well to the NFL. College and the NFL are different.

            Have you considered the possibility that maybe Zimmerman isn’t the racial bigot here, Joseph? Have you considered that maybe it’s you?

            Joseph Wright: “Zimmerman and your bigotry would not allow you to admit Doug Williams was far better in ’87 than Jurgensen was in ’73.”

            Zimmerman was comparing the QBs overall, not just one season. And you’re forgetting what even you said earlier about the folly of ignoring passing stat inflation. Jurgensen’s career stats are way better despite that. It’s not even close.

            Joseph Wright: “You really believe Schroeder could have taken Washington to the top in ’87?”

            I don’t know. He did get them to the playoffs though, going 8-2 in his 10 starts while Williams went 0-2 in the strike shortened regular season (Williams went 4-6 as a starter the following year). Schroeder also made the Pro Bowl the previous year, won 2 playoff games, and finished with better career stats than Williams as I mentioned earlier.

            So why do you assume he couldn’t have won?

            As for Williams at Tampa Bay, management kept him as the full time starter for the first five years of his career, way more than other places later did. I don’t know the details of his salary situation or if they paid him less because he was black, but one shouldn’t leap to assumptions of racial malice. In Dallas in the early 1970s Duane Thomas was upset about his pay and wondered if it was because he was black. Until he asked around and was shocked to find that even a great player like 11 time Pro Bowler Bob Lilly was only making a pittance compared to players around the league who weren’t anywhere near as good. As Bob Hayes put it, the Cowboys didn’t have a race problem. They treated everyone like they were black. Some teams are stingier and/or shrewder with money than others.

            And on the other thread I explicitly said I WASN’T offended by your racial comments, LOL! I even said I appreciated them for exposing what you are and explaining many of your otherwise inexplicable comments, like attacking the “athleticism” of players who were demonstrably great athletes. You made it clear that you were dismissing guys like Larry Wilson, Cliff Harris, and Dick Anderson because of their skin color. It wasn’t just one “joke”, but a whole slew of comments as I quoted above. Cliff Harris had a 39 inch vertical in a scouting test. That would still be good today (for comparison Darrelle Revis posted a 38 inch jump). He could jump just fine.

            I only raise this because you’re still sore over your humiliation there and you keep following me around accusing me, Paul Zimmerman, and others of “racism”, while you’re the only one here who’s actually exhibited racial bigotry. It’s funny.

          • Joseph Wright
            October 20, 2017

            “I had a poster of Warren Moon on my wall growing up, lol…” So you were a kid when you had a poster of Moon. So that’s a lie because you’ve been going on and on about how you saw this Cowboy game and that Cowboy game from the early ’70s. In addition, it’s way late in the game to try to exonerate your racism with this newfound praise of Warren Moon. So you have been lying about your age AND the Warren Moon poster. Well, well, well.

            ” I’ve never said anything derogatory about “black” QBs or coaches and you’ve failed to quote a single bigoted sentence I’ve ever written because I’m not and have never been a racial bigot”

            You have a boatload of racist, bigoted crap on Cunningham alone, topped off with the bigoted assertion that EVEN today it was “defensible” for Z to recommend a position change for Cunningham, a talented passer. This, of course, was an institutional racist practice by the NFL for decades. After that bigoted idea by Z, Cunningham went on to complete more passes and more TDs than any quarterback from ’87-’90, except Dan Marino. For four straight seasons that’s how he compared to his peers (Joe Montana, Warren Moon, John Elway, Jim Kelly, Boomer Esaison, Bernie Kosar, Jim Everett, Phil Simms) of that time until that poor offensive line got his knee blown out in the opening game of ’91. Give me one Pro Bowl OL for the Eagles during RC’s time there. You can’t. Love the way you cowardly and deceitfully just fast forwarded Staubach to his third season instead of admitting that RC was better than Roger after two years. He threw three times as many touchdowns as a part-time player and he improved from his first year to his second unlike Roger. Staubach’s third year, he was still struggling to beat out Craig Morton. Prior to RC’s third year Buddy Ryan cut Ron Jaworski outright and made Cunningham the starter. Zimmerman never, ever suggested that Tarkenton, Staubach, Elway, or Young should change positions. Show me where he did.

            The “I don’t know” cop-out on the Doug Williams vs. Jay Schroeder question shows your lack of credibility and racial denial. OF COURSE they wouldn’t have won the Super Bowl in ’87 with Jay Schroeder. Williams played better than Schroeder all season. It was obvious to anyone who is not a racist.

            As for that 0-2 record of Williams in ’87, add some context going forward. In the 21-20 loss to the Falcons, Washington’s kicker missed an extra point, thus negating a 3-TD pass performance by Williams. In the 30-27 loss to the Rams, Williams drove Washington downfield for the winning touchdown, hit “Hall of Fame” WR Art Monk in the hands and the pass was dropped into the waiting arms of the Rams DB to close the came. The ‘Skins were going for the touchdown because earlier in the game an extra point was missed. He came in and relieved a faltering Schroeder three times that year, winning every time. Why did Hall of Fame Head Coach Joe Gibbs go with Williams as his starter for the ’87 playoffs if Schroeder was better than him? We’re waiting, Razzie.

            So…You have lied about your age either to deceive us into thinking you are a historian (“I’ve watched more live football–early ’70s Cowboys, The Ice Bowl–than you,” LOL!) or to unsuccessfully hide your racism and bigotry (“I had a poster of Warren Moon when I was growing up.” That doesn’t fly, redneck). You can’t be an adult in the early ’70s and a kid in the ‘mid-to-late ’80s. And you call yourself a chess player? Lol. I’d whip your ass in chess. I already have all over this site. That I have never been deleted from by the way. LOL!! LLOL!!! LMFAO!!!!

            You can’t talk about anyone’s “lack of credibility” but your own when you compare Johnny Manzel (total flop) and Randall Cunningham (4x Pro Bowler; NFL MVP; Pro Bowl MVP; First Team All-Pro QB; one of only three–Unitas,RC, Peyton Manning–Bert Bell Award Winners) in the same breath.

            One more time: We’re STILL waiting for your explanation of why your “Poster Boy (yeah, right)” Warren Moon (Senior season: PAC-8 Player of the Year; Rose Bowl MVP) went undrafted and had to leave this country to play in Canada for six years. Quit ducking the question, you racist coward.

          • Rasputin
            October 20, 2017

            No, I talked about watching recordings of those old games, but based my arguments on stats and facts. I was born in the late 1970s and had the Moon poster (along with some Cowboys posters) in the late 1980s/early 1990s. I certainly never made that “live football”/”ICE BOWL” statement you just made up, as anyone can verify themselves with a quick F3 search of the Lee Roy Jordan page or wherever you’re pretending it came from (you didn’t say). By definition a history guy studies things beyond his own personal experiences and usually life span.

            Also you’ve never quoted me saying anything “racist”, you pathetic liar. You’re the only one here who’s made racially bigoted statements. Those CAN be verified by any reader who wants to check the Lee Roy Jordan article.

            Resorting to making up lies about me and others to deflect from your actual racial bigotry proves you’re a coward, Joseph Wright.

            So you feel that anyone who doesn’t think Randall Cunningham was quite as good Joe Montana, Jim Kelly, John Elway, Frank Tarkenton, Roger Staubach, or the other guys you mentioned is a “racist”, even after all the hard FACTS I cited refuting you. They’re not even just wrong, they’re “racist” to you. Good luck with that, moron.

            I love how you’re still trying to compare passing stats from decades apart after admitting yourself that’s invalid earlier, especially when even those unadjusted 1960s stats mostly go against you. You’ve reached an awesome level of stupid. Clowns like you are why most people no longer take the “racist” accusation seriously. You do a disservice to those trying to combat actual racism (including yours).

            People were suggesting Johnny Manziel switch positions before he had every played a down of NFL football. Far from a “flop”, he was one of the most celebrated Heisman winning QBs of all time, and set various passing records. College is different from the pros.

            “I’d whip your ass in chess. I already have all over this site.”

            LOL! I doubt you even know how to play. You certainly couldn’t whip cream, chump. You’ve lost every debate I’ve seen you have here because you’re an irrational blowhard with a limited knowledge base who can barely read for comprehension. You get panicked and lie frequently but despite that extensive practice you’re not even good at lying. You’re too easily nailed on it.

          • Joseph Wright
            October 21, 2017

            “People were suggesting Johnny Manziel switch positions before he had every played a down of NFL football. Far from a “flop”, he was one of the most celebrated Heisman winning QBs of all time, and set various passing records. College is different from the pros.”–Rasputin

            You can’t compare Manziel to Cunningham because Manziel was a flop in the NFL. Look at the NFL accomplishments and honors. Cunningham has several, Manziel has none. Reading comprehension has never been one of your strengths. It is obvious to everyone else reading that my flop comment was referring to Manziel’s NFL career, not his college career. Although as you said, “college is different from the pros.” And, of course, Cunningham showed he had what it took to make it as an NFL QB while Manziel did not. Thanks for that assist, kid.

            “So you feel that anyone who doesn’t think Randall Cunningham was quite as good Joe Montana, Jim Kelly, John Elway, Frank Tarkenton, Roger Staubach, or the other guys you mentioned is a ‘racist,'” No, no, no. I never said that. Never even implied that. I was addressing the epic fail statement of yours saying that Tony Romo was “great” and RC was “merely good.” For four consecutive seasons, 1987-90, only one QB (Dan Marino) completed more passes and TD passes than Cunningham. That is an era that included Joe Montana, John Elway, Jim Kelly, Warren Moon, Boomer Esaison, Jim Everett, Bernie Kosar and Phil Simms. Show me any four-year window or better when Romo did that vs. top-flight peers of his era. Additionally, RC was a far more decorated player (4x Pro Bowler; NFL MVP–splitting the polls three different seasons; Pro Bowl MVP; NFL Passing Leader; First Team All-Pro QB; one of only three–Unitas,RC, Peyton Manning–Bert Bell Award Winners) than Romo. How can a “merely good” QB have all that over a “great” QB?

            Those of us aware (Black and non-Black) have seen this racial bigotry constantly in this situation. Doug Williams and Cunningham struggle in their first two seasons and we get scouting reports of: “He’ll (Williams) have to show a lot more to prove he can play in this league,” “Send him (Cunningham) to the weight room and make him a running back.” Terry Bradshaw, Vinny Testeverde, Staubach, Elway, Steve Young, Troy Aikman struggle early in their careers and the reports are: “He’s a young quarterback who just needs some time to develop.” GTFOH. Why the double standard? The situations are interchangeable. Just because the race of an individual isn’t mentioned doesn’t mean that racism and bigotry is not being inferred, young (“born in the late ’70s”–OK, whatever) skinhead. And mentioning the race of an individual doesn’t mean that the person mentioning it is a racist or bigot, either.

            You disparage Cunningham’s passer rating, I point out that Elway’s is lower. So, then you change the yardsticks and say Elway was a “volume passer.” You talk about Cunningham’s first two years, I point out his were better than Staubach’s. So, then you fast-forward Staubach to his third year (where he was STILL struggling to establish himself over Craig Morton). Why the desperate need to hold RC or Williams to different standards? It is racism, bigotry, or prejudice. Or all three. And sometimes, redneck, the Black QB (Doug Williams) is a better choice than the White QB (Jay Schroeder). Ask Washington and Joe Gibbs in 1987.

            Of course, to be in denial about the problem doesn’t help matters so once again, two questions STILL need to be answered by you, Razzie:

            1) Why did Hall of Fame Head Coach Joe Gibbs go with Williams as his starter for the ’87 playoffs if Schroeder was better than him?

            2) Why did your “Poster Boy (yeah, right)” Warren Moon (Senior season: PAC-8 Player of the Year; Rose Bowl MVP) go undrafted and had to leave this country to play in Canada for six years. Quit ducking the questions, you racist coward.

          • Rasputin
            October 22, 2017

            “It is obvious to everyone else reading that my flop comment was referring to Manziel’s NFL career, not his college career.”

            It was obvious to me too, moron, which is why I pointed out that people were suggesting he was a better fit at WR before he ever played a down in the NFL (BEFORE he was a “flop”). The Paul Zimmerman comment about Cunningham that led you to brand him a “racist” wasn’t made until after Cunningham had played his first two dismal years in the NFL. There’s no reason to assume it was based on skin color rather than performance so far. Talk about lousy reading comprehension….

            “For four consecutive seasons, 1987-90, only one QB (Dan Marino) completed more passes and TD passes than Cunningham.”

            And Paul Zimmerman called Cunningham a “budding star” in 1988, near the beginning of that span. You have no point.

            “Show me any four-year window or better when Romo did that vs. top-flight peers of his era. ”

            I’ll settle for this:

            Career Passer Rating Rank At Retirement

            Tony Romo – #4
            Randall Cunningham – #20

            Career Completion Percentage Rank At Retirement

            Tony Romo – #5
            Randall Cunningham – #47

            Yards Per Passing Attempt Rank At Retirement

            Tony Romo – #6 (now back to #5)
            Randall Cunningham – #60

            That said, in a shorter career Romo ranked in the top 10 in TDs just as many years as Cunningham did (7), and ranked in the top 3 in yards 3 years while Cunningham only finished in the top 3 once. As for ratio…

            TDs/INTs

            Romo – 248/117 (2.1 TD/INT)
            Cunningham – 207/134 (1.5 TD/INT)

            Romo also finished in the top 10 in yards/game 6 years while Cunningham only did so 4 years. Romo finished in the top 5 in yards/game 5 years while Cunningham only did so twice.

            They both made 4 Pro Bowls, though Romo was robbed of a fifth in 2011 when he was passed over despite having a 102.5 rating. That ranked 4th that year but he wasn’t one of the 8 QBs chosen. I won’t be like you and assume it was racial just because one of the less deserving QBs to be named was Cam Newton, who posted an 84.5 rating and threw 17 INTs to only 21 TDs (Romo threw 31 TDs to 10 INTs). Sometimes people just get screwed over. It’s not always about skin color.

            Romo led the league in passer rating with 113.2 in 2014, in completion percentage with 69.9% that same year, and in yards/attempt twice in 2006 and 2014. Cunningham led in passer rating with 106 in 1998 (Randy Moss’s rookie year) and never in completion percentage or yards/attempt.

            “Just because the race of an individual isn’t mentioned doesn’t mean that racism and bigotry is not being inferred, young (“born in the late ’70s”–OK, whatever) skinhead. And mentioning the race of an individual doesn’t mean that the person mentioning it is a racist or bigot, either.”

            So now you’re calling me a “skinhead” and a “redneck” because I disagreed with you about Randall Cunningham being one of the greatest QBs of all time, lol. I like your implicit concession that after untold hours of searching you can’t find ANY bigoted comments I’ve made though. You’ve certainly made racially bigoted comments:

            “Harris was a White man and, when it came time to defend Lynn Swann, he couldn’t jump. No racism, just stating the truth.” – Joseph Wright

            Actually Harris posted a 39 inch vertical in a scouting test that would still rank high today.

            “It’s players like Cliff Harris, Larry Wilson, Dick Anderson and Bill Bates that USC’s Sam Cunningham exploited that gave Paul “Bear” Bryant the vision and validation (to closed-minded, in-denial Confederates) to update his talent pool. The Larry Wilsons and Cliff Harrises were out and the Tatums and Ken Houstons were in.” – Joseph Wright

            Of course neither Wilson, Harris, Anderson, or Bates played for Bryant or were “exploited” by Sam Cunningham. The first three, especially Harris, were contemporaries of Tatum (and were all rightly judged as better) and Houston. In fact three of the four a”like” players you listed (gee I wonder what they have in common that causes you to lump them all together) joined the NFL AFTER Ken Houston did, LOL!

            “Cliff Harris was on the track team (lol)? What’d he do? Throw the javelin? Run the mile? Poll vault? I KNOW it wasn’t the sprints or the high-jump. LMFAO!!!” – Joseph Wright

            Cliff Harris was a collegiate sprinter, LOL! On the other thread I also cited the video of him torching most of the competition in the NFL Superstars race near the end of his career.

            No matter how many times you falsely accuse me or others of “racism” it doesn’t make it true. You really are a racial bigot though, Joseph Wright. Refusing to cop to that while trying to deflect with your pathetic accusations marks you as a coward.

            “You disparage Cunningham’s passer rating, I point out that Elway’s is lower. So, then you change the yardsticks and say Elway was a “volume passer.””

            Liar. I’ve always described Elway as a “volume passer” with less than outstanding efficiency stats. I’ve argued that he was great but somewhat overrated for years. He was better than Cunningham though. Even his passer rating was better than Cunningham’s for most of their careers, and Elway’s completion percentage was still better when Cunningham retired.

            I don’t want to bash Cunningham, btw. I like Cunningham and think he was a good QB. He was fun to watch when he wasn’t wearing an Eagles uniform. I didn’t single him out in this discussion, let alone because he was “black” as you falsely claimed earlier.

            YOU singled Cunningham out because he’s black. That’s the only reason you’re talking about him.

            “You talk about Cunningham’s first two years, I point out his were better than Staubach’s.”

            Rookie Season Passer Rating

            Roger Staubach (1969) – 69.5
            Randall Cunningham (1985) – 29.8

            Passer Rating Over First Two Seasons

            Roger Staubach – 51.9; 1970 NFL average – 62.5
            Randall Cunningham – 60.4; 1986 NFL average – 71.5

            LOL! Staubach was closer to the NFL average over his first two seasons as a backup than Cunningham was. He also had a higher completion percentage in absolute terms.

            Completion Percentage Over First Two Years

            Roger Staubach – 51.9%; 1970 NFL average – 51.1%
            Randall Cunningham – 50%; 1986 NFL average – 55.4%

            Staubach was actually above the NFL average in completion percentage even during his first couple of back up years, while Cunningham was several points below it.

            Staubach was above the NFL average in passer rating his rookie season, and way above Cunningham even in absolute terms. Of course from their third seasons on it wasn’t close even in absolute terms.

            Passer Rating Over First Three Seasons

            Roger Staubach – 84.7
            1971 NFL average – 51.3

            Randall Cunningham – 73.6
            1987 NFL average – 72.6

            “1) Why did Hall of Fame Head Coach Joe Gibbs go with Williams as his starter for the ’87 playoffs if Schroeder was better than him?”

            I never said Schroeder was better than him. I just said that even he ended up with better career stats than Williams. I don’t have anything against Doug Williams either. You brought him up to champion him as some QB who was supposedly handed a raw deal and was supposedly better than all these other QBs. I’m just correcting the record, providing a dose of reality.

            Why do you think Gibbs promoted Mark Rypien over Williams in 1988 before the latter even had one full year as a starter? Do you feel Joe Gibbs is a “racist” too or were there other reasons, like maybe Rypien being better?

            “2) Why did your “Poster Boy (yeah, right)” Warren Moon (Senior season: PAC-8 Player of the Year; Rose Bowl MVP) go undrafted and had to leave this country to play in Canada for six years.”

            What’s your point? I never said there was no anti-black discrimination decades ago. I didn’t keep Warren Moon out of the NFL though, and to my knowledge neither did Paul Zimmerman. But I will point out that you shouldn’t always leap to the assumption that racial discrimination necessarily explains everything. Doug Williams had been drafted in the first round out of little Grambling and had already started at QB for Tampa Bay from 1978 to 1982, and Moon eventually WAS brought into the NFL at Houston in 1984 where he enjoyed a HoF career. There have been plenty of black QBs since.

            A far more pertinent question today is why the NFL allows black power salutes in games without drawing a flag, let alone more serious punishments, when we both know some kind of white power salute would be quickly followed by Goodell running that player out of the league. Both white and black power salutes are evil in my book. I’m opposed to racial double standards in any era. Are you?

          • Joseph Wright
            October 24, 2017

            “I’m opposed to racial double standards in any era. Are you?” Of course, I’m opposed to racial double standards. That’s why I brought them up, dumbass skinheaded redneck. Doug Williams has some tough statistical seasons with the Bucs and the mainstream media narrative is “He’s going to have to show a lot to prove he can play in this league.” Bradshaw, Staubach, Elway, Steve Young, and Testeverde struggle and the narrative is “He’s a promising young quarterback who just needs some time.” When it came to talented Black passers with mobility, they were either given the ultimatum of switch positions to be drafted or stay in the league (Marlin Briscoe) or go to Canada (Warren Moon). Black QBs who were talented passers who had mobilty that slipped through the cracks of those bigoted standards that the NFL suffered from (RC) were immediately faced with the urging of bigoted fans and media members to swich positions (“make him a running back”). White passers with mobility (Tarkenton, Staubach, Elway, Young) who struggled early in their careers were, once again, given the benefit of the doubt: “He’s a promising young quarterback who just needs some time.” There’s an imbalance there, Razzie.

            “I never said Schroeder was better than him (Williams).” Well, you certainly INFERRED it. You put up stats, slipped in the Pro Bowl nod in 1986.
            “Joseph Wright: “You really believe Schroeder could have taken Washington to the top in ’87?”

            Razzie: “I don’t know. (Ed. Note: Cop-out) He did get them to the playoffs though, going 8-2 in his 10 starts while Williams went 0-2 in the strike shortened regular season (Williams went 4-6 as a starter the following year). Schroeder also made the Pro Bowl the previous year, won 2 playoff games, and finished with better career stats than Williams as I mentioned earlier.

            “So why do you assume he couldn’t have won?” Because Schroeder was horrible in 1987. The majority of Washington players, including Joe Jacoby, Gary Clark, Ricky Sanders, Jeff Bostic, Dexter Manley, and Darrell Green, were on record saying they were more confident with Doug Williams instead of Jay Schroeder as the starting QB. Obviously, Coach Gibbs felt the same way. The proof is in the pudding because Williams took them all the way.

            You show great endurance and agility constantly moving these yardsticks for Randall Cunningham. Despite the fact that RC was second to only Dan Marino in TD passes and overall completions for a four-year period (basically, a full Presidential term) in an era that featured contemporaries like Joe Montana, Boomer Esaison, Warren Moon, Jim Kelly, Bernie Kosar, and John Elway, you say Romo–ROMO!–ranked better amongst his peers. You could not provide the four-year window AT ALL. How many times do we have to go over this: Tony Romo was NEVER a great quarterback. RC: Four-time Pro Bowler (three times a starter); Pro Bowl MVP; Split the NFL MVP polls three different seasons (1988, 1990,1998); League passer rating leader (1998); Established NFL scoring record for an offense (1998); One of only three three-time winners of the prestigious Bert Bell Award (the others: Johnny Unitas & Peyton Manning); Advanced farther (Conference Title Game) and more often in the playoffs. A “merely good” QB (RC) doesn’t leave a “great” (Romo? Great? LMFAO!!!) QB in the dust like that in honors. It just doesn’t happen. (BTW, that 2014 Detroit playoff win where the offiating crew picked up the late 4th quarter flag on the pass interferancing Dallas defender…HUGE asterisk.)

            RC was much better than Romo. Yeah, yeah we know he had a better (inflated is more like it) passer rating. However, it’s pointed out RC’s rating is better than Elway’s and–Presto! Razzie Yardstick change!–Elway was a “volume passer.” GTFOH! So, Razzie, was Romo a better QB than Elway? It’s pointed out that Randall was better than Staubach in their first two years and you immediately, deceitfully and cowardly fast-forward Staubach to his third year. When I call you on that, you now are saying Staubach “was closer to the league average” in his first two years…please. The adjusting of yardsticks and racial double standards don’t end with you do they, redneck. And don’t think I didn’t catch your total cowardly omission of Staubach’s NFL sophomore crash and burn season in contrast to Cunningham’s strong jump in his NFL sophomore season. After two NFL seasons, RC was better than Staubach. Only a bigoted racist in denial can’t admit that. Did Cunningham have a better career than Stabach or Elway? No. He also never had ALL the resources at his disposal (fine offensive line: Eagles; Great defense: Vikings) like Staubach did, nor a great runner (i.e., Terrell Davis) to save/revive his legacy like Elway did. But, was RC a better QB than Tony Romo? Absolutely.

            “I didn’t keep Warren Moon out of the NFL though, and to my knowledge neither did Paul Zimmerman. But I will point out that you shouldn’t always leap to the assumption that racial discrimination necessarily explains everything.”

            Once again, tell us WHY was Warren Moon not even drafted immediately after his senior season at U. of Washington (PAC-8 Player of the Year; Rose Bowl MVP) by the NFL and had to leave his country for six years. Yeah, we know he eventually came back. Why did he have to find work–out of the country–to begin with? You have never directly answered this question.

          • Rasputin
            November 1, 2017

            We’ve established you’re a racial bigot, Joseph Wright. The quotes are all over this page. Calling me a “skinheaded redneck” when you can’t produce a single bigoted thing I’ve ever said isn’t much of a retort. It’s just lame I know you are but what am I deflection. It’s dishonest and cowardly. You should just cop to your prejudice, admit it’s one of your flaws (no one’s perfect), stop falsely accusing everyone else of “racism”, and move on.

            “Of course, I’m opposed to racial double standards.”

            So you think the league should crack down on the black power salutes currently being delivered in games?

            “RC was much better than Romo.”

            Career Passer Rating Rank At Retirement
            Tony Romo – #4
            Randall Cunningham – #20

            Career Completion Percentage Rank At Retirement
            Tony Romo – #5
            Randall Cunningham – #47

            Yards Per Passing Attempt Rank At Retirement
            Tony Romo – #6 (now back to #5)
            Randall Cunningham – #60

            I don’t know what else to say. Romo even ranked in the top 3 in yards three years while Cunningham only did that once. Your absurdly contrived, selective garbage about a “four year window” in one volume stat is pathetic. Romo even had better volume stats, at least on a yearly basis. Stats are more important for judging QBs than subjective accolades, but Romo even had about as many of the latter in a shorter career as Cunningham (except the Bert Bell award), and deserved more Pro Bowls than he was awarded. For most of Romo’s career the media savaged him unfairly. But the stats are objective.

            “Yeah, yeah we know he had a better (inflated is more like it) passer rating.”

            I’ve been posting their ranks relative to their eras, moron. So no inflation.

            “After two NFL seasons, RC was better than Staubach. Only a bigoted racist in denial can’t admit that.”

            Or someone who knows Staubach had a higher completion percentage even during his first two years as a backup than Cunningham, despite playing 16 years earlier. Staubach was above the league average while Cunningham was well below it. Staubach was also closer to the league average in passer rating than Cunningham was. Or lots of other people can disagree with you even if they don’t know that stuff without being “a bigoted racist in denial”. Maybe they know how much better Staubach was overall, maybe they know Cunningham got to play a lot more those first two years, or maybe they’re just prejudiced against Eagles (as you’re prejudiced against Cowboys). Those other guys listed earlier all were better than Cunningham their first two years too, as the facts I posted show. By your own logic you’re “a bigoted racist in denial”.

            Insanely stupid comments like that leave you with zero credibility. Your earlier comments also prove you’re a liar. Remember when you said this just a few posts ago?

            (earlier): “Romo’s passing statistics are inflated because he played in an era that has basically shackled defenders in pass coverage. It’s ridiculous that a guy like him completed 60+ percent of his pass”

            That’s what guys from earlier eras said about the 1980s, especially after the chuck rule change in 1978 led to an explosion in stat inflation. And this very post you said this:

            “Yeah, yeah we know he had a better (inflated is more like it) passer rating.”

            For you to be whining about stat inflation even though I WAS taking it into account, only for you to then turn around and try to ignore it in your own half-baked, cherry-picked comparisons symbolizes everything that’s wrong with you here.

            You’re a serial liar, you project your faults onto others, and you’re a drooling moron, Joseph Wright.

            “He also never had ALL the resources at his disposal”

            Cunningham had a great defense that largely carried the team. Romo didn’t, and had to carry the team himself.

            “(BTW, that 2014 Detroit playoff win where the offiating crew picked up the late 4th quarter flag on the pass interferancing Dallas defender…”

            A lot of calls went against Dallas that game, and in the one against the Packers Dez caught it.

            “However, it’s pointed out RC’s rating is better than Elway’s and–Presto! Razzie Yardstick change!–Elway was a “volume passer.” GTFOH! So, Razzie, was Romo a better QB than Elway? ”

            No yardstick moving by me. I never said passer rating is the only stat that matters. I’ve been posting several different metrics myself, including completion percentage and y/a and Elway beats Cunningham in both. No, the “volume” thing means Elway is exceptional in another category. He passed for a crapload of yards. Cunningham didn’t. That’s Elway’s claim to fame. Romo lacked Elway’s longevity and no one but Favre rivaled John’s arm strength. That said, if I had to win one game I’d take Romo (or Aikman or several other QBs) over Elway without hesitation. Probably not Cunningham though.

            Oh, and you didn’t point anything out, halfwit. I’ve been writing extensively about Elway’s stats in comparison to others for years on various sites.

            I really don’t care about your obsession with comparing Doug Williams to Jay Schroeder. Schroeder made a Pro Bowl (Williams didn’t), Schroeder won two playoff games in 1986, and Schroeder won 8 games starting to Williams’ 0 in the 1987 regular season. Schroeder also posted a higher career passer rating, completion percentage, and yardage total than Williams. Those are facts.

            Why do you care? What’s your point?

            “You really believe Schroeder could have taken Washington to the top in ’87?” Razzie: “I don’t know. (Ed. Note: Cop-out)”

            No, my response was to you asking “would” Schroeder have won the Super Bowl that year, not “could” he have. Of course he could have. You’ve been busted lying again, altering the quote like a weasel. And you’re wrong. “I don’t know” is the honest answer to your first question. You claiming you do know when all you know is that there’s no way to prove or disprove what you say is the cop out.

            You dodged the question about why you feel Gibbs benched Williams the following year in favor of Rypien. Do you feel Gibbs was “racist”?

            The truth is Williams and Schroeder were both average QBs, and that Williams got a shot to play in the Super Bowl and played a great game. Good for him.

            “…(RC) were immediately faced with the urging of bigoted fans and media members to swich positions (“make him a running back”).”

            Or maybe they weren’t bigots. Maybe they were looking at things like Cunningham almost leading his team in rushing despite being a backup QB. The guy ran for 540 yards at 8.2 y/c and rushed for 5 TDs as a backup in 1987. The other guys you listed didn’t do that, and their passing stats were better than his. If a backup QB is excelling at running and below average in the skill most important to his own position, it’s not unreasonable to entertain the possibility that maybe he should switch positions. Again, they did that with Johnny Manziel and lots of other good running QBs before they ever played a down in the NFL.

            Then you keep going back to this Warren Moon topic. Let’s get this straight. I never said there was no anti-black prejudice, especially in the 1970s or earlier. Me refuting your false, often ludicrous accusations of discrimination doesn’t mean I’m claiming there weren’t real examples of discrimination. Unfortunately you baselessly tossing around “racist” labels against innocent people and/or deeds only clouds the issue and makes it harder to isolate and deal with true bigotry. You take grains of truth and stretch them into slanderous mud balls.

            There are also different types of prejudice. In the 70s some doubted doubted whether a black guy could succeed at QB on the pro level. The CFL didn’t have the luxury of being finicky about top flight US collegiate talent, so Moon got his shot there. He did great, he announced he wanted to play in the NFL, and a BIDDING WAR ensued for his services. These were mostly still the same people who had been running the NFL a few years earlier. They saw him have success and said, “Oh. Ok.”

            This indicates that it wasn’t about keeping the black man down. They were doing what they thought was best to help their teams win. It’s like teams in more recent years shying away from hiring white cornerbacks or taking a risk on white WRs until this recent wave of successful white WRs. You’ve made your own feelings on white safeties clear. That has less justification than those 1970s skeptics since some of the best current NFL safeties are white guys.

            Moon wasn’t the first black NFL QB, but he was the first great black QB. Randall Cunningham was drafted the following year and lots of other black QBs soon followed. Cunningham even received 3 Bert Bell awards, as you keep saying, despite his less than stellar passing stats, which would be odd if the owners, coaches, and media who voted for it all rabidly hated black people.

            Moon getting passed over in the 1970s and having to wait until the 1980s for his shot says absolutely nothing about Paul Zimmerman, unless you can find some quote from him on that topic, or about the suggestion after his first two dismal passing and excellent running years that maybe Cunningham should switch to RB, any more than it does about suggestions that Johnny Manziel should switch positions.

            In short, stop assuming the worst about other people, stop judging people by their skin color, and look to the plank in your own eye.

          • Joseph Wright
            November 2, 2017

            “I don’t know what else to say. Romo even ranked in the top 3 in yards three years while Cunningham only did that once. Your absurdly contrived, selective garbage about a “four year window” in one volume stat is pathetic. Romo even had better volume stats, at least on a yearly basis. Stats are more important for judging QBs than subjective accolades, but Romo even had about as many of the latter in a shorter career as Cunningham (except the Bert Bell award), and deserved more Pro Bowls than he was awarded. For most of Romo’s career the media savaged him unfairly. But the stats are objective.”

            No, the stats are skewed because he accumulated them in the best possible era to complete passes because the defenses have been basically handcuffed in pass coverage by rule changes. Romo’s completion percentages must be looked at with enormous skepticism because Stabler, Montana, Ken Anderson, and even Ken O’Brien were far better passers than Romo with “lower” completion percentages. He had four seasons with 30+ TD passes in an era where at least four guys are tossing that many every season. And at least two guys are tossing 40+. Further, at least five QBs in the top ten passer ratings are posting 100+. Ridiculous.

            It was more than one and very important volume stats that I pointed out RC was superior than Romo in. NFL Hall of Fame sportswriter Ray Didinger pointed out this “absurdly contrived, selective garbage about a ‘four year window'” as you so idiotically described it (well, Ray is White, so I guess you’ll give HIM some credibility. Right, Razzie?), that from 1987-90 (RC’s first four years as an undisputed starter) only one QB completed more passes (Marino). And only one QB (Marino) completed more TD passes than RC. Romo never had a span (a U.S. Presidential term, basically) like that among his top peers. And during that time RC was battling with Montana, Elway, Moon, Jim Kelly, Boomer Esaison, Bernie Kosar, Phil Simms and Jim Everett. How bad could RC’s “throwing mechanics” have been if he could accomplish this PASSING the football. Completions and TD passes are what lead to wins, dummy. Your problem wasn’t RC’s passing skills but his skin color, redneck. Or was it the fact that he beat Dallas eight straight times from ’87-92 and then roasted them on national TV on Thanksgiving 1998? Still butthurt from those ass-whuppings?

            “(Cunningham) also never had ALL the resources at his disposal (like Staubach)”–Me.
            School is now in session, junior: For a QB to win a Super Bowl, assuming he has quality skill players around him (i.e., reliable pass catchers), he needs two other things that are out of his control: A solid offensive line and a solid defense. Those are the responsibilities of the coaches and upper management. For Cunningham’s career, the glass was always half empty. In Philadelphia he had no O-line to go with the great defense, in Minnesota he had no defense (John Randle but who else?) to go with the great O-line he had. Dan Fouts, Dan Marino–no defense–and Doug Williams in Tampa Bay–no offensive line–had the same problems.

            “Cunningham had a great defense that largely carried the team. Romo didn’t, and had to carry the team himself.” Way to sound like Rush Limbaugh (Remember disparaging Donovan McNabb? He got his ass fired for that similar dumb remark) and once again expose your racist self, redneck. Cunningham clearly carried those late-80s/ early 90s Eagles into the playoffs. During his time in Philly, whenever he missed extensive time due to injury (1991,1993) they missed the playoffs. And in 1991, the defense was No. 1 across the board except in points allowed. As Doug Williams said, “How in the hell are you going to say that Randall Cunningham is overrated? If the Eagle don’t have Randall, they don’t win. It’s that simple, ” and “…Now if the Eagles got to the Super Bowl, you’d have to say Randall got them there. They don’t even make the playoffs without Randall.”

            Speaking of Doug Williams…No, Joe Gibbs wasn’t wrong for going with Mark Rypien as Doug Williams health declined (appendicitis; bad back). I never considered Gibbs a racist. Unlike you, Razzie, he is a clear thinker…Even when Tampa Bay Buccaneers management tried to discourage Gibbs from acquiring him after the USFL folded. The redneck owner Hugh Culverhouse and his flunky, GM Phil Krueger, were essentially trying to freeze Williams out of returning to the NFL.

            You lost it, and your credibility, with this right here: “…if I had to win one game I’d take Romo over Elway without hesitation. Probably not Cunningham though.” Ridiculous. Elway and Cunningham were FAR better QBs than Romo. Tony Romo was NEVER a great quarterback.

            So, the questions, once again:

            1) Why did Hall of Fame Head Coach Joe Gibbs decide to start Doug Williams at QB for the ’87 playoffs despite the “fact” the Jay Schroeder had (in your view) done such a “great job” quarterbacking the team?

            2) Why did Warren Moon go undrafted by the NFL after his successful senior year at the University of Washington (PAC-8 player of the Year; Rose Bowl MVP) and had to leave his country to play in Canada for six years?

            3) A. So, where did RC rank in career TD passes at the time of his retirement vs. Romo at the time of his retirement? B. How many playoff wins did RC have in his career vs. Romo’s playoff career? C. How many times did RC make the AP All-Pro Team 1st or 2nd team vs Romo? D. How many times was Romo named or split the league’s season MVP award? E. How many NFL Passing Titles did Tony Romo have?

            Answer the questions directly, redneck coward. No cop-outs –“There are also different types of prejudice. In the 70s some doubted doubted whether a black guy could succeed at QB on the pro level.” That’s not prejudice, that’s racism. “They saw him have success (in the CFL) and said, “Oh. Ok.” Oh, God.–this time, junior skinhead.

          • Rasputin
            November 2, 2017

            “No, the stats are skewed because he accumulated them in the best possible era to complete passes…”

            What part of era rankings do you not get? I’ve been posting the QBs’ performance compared to their own contemporaries and Romo was better across the board. It’s not even close. Serious question: Do you have a learning disability, Joseph Wright? It’s ok to admit if you do. If you say yes I’ll take that into account and be nicer and more patient in my responses.

            “How bad could RC’s “throwing mechanics” have been if he could accomplish this PASSING the football.”

            I wouldn’t say “bad” so much as unusual for an NFL QB. Cunningham eventually made his sandlot style work in the league, which was one of the reasons he was so fun to watch.

            “Your problem wasn’t RC’s passing skills but his skin color, redneck. Or was it the fact that he beat Dallas eight straight times from ’87-92 and then roasted them on national TV on Thanksgiving 1998? Still butthurt from those ass-whuppings?”

            That you only now concede there could be completely different and vastly more likely reasons for people to dislike RC such as team rooting interest (once I spoonfed you the possibility last post) after dozens of posts of you baselessly calling me “racist” just shows how empty everything you say is. Despite his years as an Eagle or that one Randy Moss game I generally DO like RC and remember him more for his time as a rare bright spot for the Cowboys in the 2000s. Dallas beating Cunningham’s Eagles 30-11 and 34-10 respectively in the playoffs also helps erode any bad feelings, not that I wouldn’t be objective anyway.

            Of course the only reason YOU care about him is because of his skin color. Do you even deny that? When are you going to stop projecting your own bigotry onto others, Joseph Wright? And the only ass whoopings anyone’s smarting from here are the ones you’re still feeling from me all over this site.

            “Cunningham clearly carried those late-80s/ early 90s Eagles into the playoffs. During his time in Philly, whenever he missed extensive time due to injury (1991,1993) they missed the playoffs. And in 1991, the defense was No. 1 across the board except in points allowed.”

            You just made my point for me. How many #1 or even top 5 defenses did Romo have? Answer: zero. He never even had a top 5 defense as Cunningham did multiple years. Romo’s defenses usually weren’t even in the top 10. The Eagles also made the playoffs their first year without Cunningham in 1996 with Rodney Peete at QB and another top 5 defense. I never said Cunningham was irrelevant though. Their success was due to a combination of his good QB play and great play from the Buddy Ryan-installed defense.

            “As Doug Williams said, “How in the hell are you going to say that Randall Cunningham is overrated? If the Eagle don’t have Randall, they don’t win. It’s that simple,”

            I don’t think RC is overrated, except by you. Maybe the league/media figures whom you stupidly branded as “racist” were a bit too effusive in giving him the Bert Bell award, but I think Cunningham is generally rated about right. He’s not Canton worthy but was a good QB who had a very good career. I personally rank Cunningham above Donovan McNabb, whom you just brought up, who WAS overrated.

            “Elway and Cunningham were FAR better QBs than Romo.”

            Unless you think passer rating and completion percentage matter. Remember we’re talking one game here, not which QB you’d prefer for his entire career.

            “So, where did RC rank in career TD passes at the time of his retirement vs. Romo at the time of his retirement? B. How many playoff wins did RC have in his career vs. Romo’s playoff career?”

            Cunningham had a longer career and a much better defense. Why do you ignore the yearly rankings breakdown I provided for TDs, yards, and other stats, coward? Romo was a much better efficiency QB but he even usually beat Cunningham in volume (including era adjusted rankings).

            I already answered your other questions in more detail than they deserved. You answer mine, including this one on racial prejudice:

            Isn’t your dismissal of “white” safeties now even less empirically justified than the (also wrong) reluctance to make big bets on black QBs in the 1970s, given that at that time there had been no great black NFL QBs yet (as soon as Moon came along and changed that you saw opportunities for black QBs greatly expand pretty much overnight) while some of the best current safeties even now are white?

            Isn’t your racial prejudice even more inexcusable than the prejudice of those league officials back in the 1970s?

            And why did you completely ignore my advice to ask the writers here their opinions on Paul Zimmerman, Joseph Wright? What are you afraid of?

          • Joseph Wright
            November 2, 2017

            “I already answered your other questions in more detail than they deserved.”
            You have never DIRECTLY answered these questions, you’ve avoided or danced around them (like sorry-ass Cliff Harris avoiding Larry Csonka and/or Earl Campbell). ONCE AGAIN:

            1) Why did Hall of Fame Head Coach Joe Gibbs decide to start Doug Williams at QB for the ’87 playoffs despite the “fact” the Jay Schroeder had (in your view) done such a “great job” quarterbacking the team?

            2) Why did Warren Moon go undrafted by the NFL after his successful senior year at the University of Washington (PAC-8 player of the Year; Rose Bowl MVP) and had to leave his country to play in Canada for six years?

            3) A. So, where did RC rank in career TD passes at the time of his retirement vs. Romo at the time of his retirement? B. How many playoff wins did RC have in his career vs. Romo’s playoff career? C. How many times did RC make the AP All-Pro Team 1st or 2nd team vs Romo? D. How many times was Romo named or split the league’s season MVP award? E. How many NFL Passing Titles did Tony Romo have?

            Hint: Start Questions 1 and 2 with “Because” and then continue with the reason. Jeez.

          • Rasputin
            November 2, 2017

            So you’re just dodging my questions like the coward you are, while ignoring the answers I’ve already given to your moronic questions. I’m not playing that game, little Joey.

            PS – Cliff Harris never avoided anyone. Tatum was the one caught on tape making that business decision in the playoffs after Csonka trucked him a few times, lol.

          • Rasputin
            November 1, 2017

            Rick, Clark, and Ron probably all personally know Paul Zimmerman, Joseph Wright. Why don’t you ask them if they think he’s “racist”? I haven’t seen any racial bigotry from him and I think your particular arguments are insipid but I’ve never met the man and don’t know that much about him. You should ask for their take.

          • Joseph Wright
            November 2, 2017

            Zimmerman is at least a bigot (and a racist) and a cronyist–“make him (R.Cunningham) a running back”; “You cannot allow this man (Ken Stabler) in the Hall of Fame.” Instead of me asking them if Z is a racist, Razzie, why don’t you ask them if RC should have been made a running back and if they feel Stabler’s induction was undeserved.

          • Rasputin
            November 2, 2017

            Because they personally know Paul Zimmerman, which neither of us do. Your other questions deal with on the field stuff that we can all watch and form our opinions on (and I said I WOULDN’T have made RC a RB, but just that it wasn’t a crazy idea by Zimmerman after the 1986 season when his passing stats were well below average but he was almost leading the team in rushing from the backup QB spot; it certainly wasn’t any more “racist” than people suggesting Johnny Manziel should switch to WR before he had even played a down in the NFL).

          • Joseph Wright
            November 2, 2017

            Stop comparing Manziel to Cunningham. Manziel was an NFL flop. RC was an All-Pro/Pro Bowl/League MVP-caliber performer. WOW!!! As I’m typing this, I see this Pop-up to my right–Moon: Put McNabb in the Hall. So McNabb, who you and your fellow bigot and racist, Rush Limbaugh, say was “overrated,” gets an endorsement from your newfound “Poster Boy” (yeah, right), Warren Moon. Not your day, huh, Razzie. BTW, I’ve never been deleted for racist statements on this site so my statements on Cliff Harris and Larry Wilson must be deemed valid (unlike your bigoted, racist thoughts on Black Lives Matter and Kenny Easley’s HOF speech. Imagine what Cookie Gilchrist’s HOF speech would have been like had he lived to be inducted). Later, redneck.

          • Rasputin
            November 2, 2017

            Manziel wasn’t a “flop” before he started playing in the NFL, and Cunningham wasn’t a Pro Bowler after his first two dismal seasons. You seriously should answer that question about whether you have a learning disability of some kind, Joseph Wright.

            McNabb’s career completion percentage was BELOW THE NFL AVERAGE for his era, LOL! If you’re below the league average in completion percentage you aren’t a HoF QB. Period. Just because I think Moon was a great player and had a poster of him on my wall as a kid doesn’t mean I think he’s right about everything.

            Oh, and I’ve never been deleted for racist statements either. Unlike you, I haven’t made any racist statements.

          • Joseph Wright
            November 2, 2017

            I’m ducking no questions. Those guys are all in the HOF voting committee and have to deal with Z regularly and disparaging remarks puts them out of the clique, what are they really going to say? Stop asking dumb questions. Do you think anyone within the Tampa Bay ranks would ever say that redneck Hugh Culverhouse was a racist? And you call yourself a chess player? Name one White has ever publicly called another White in the NFL out for being a racist. It doesn’t happen. It’s covered up. You do it yourself. Constantly ducking the Warren Moon/NFL 1978 draft question is the prime example. Can’t bring yourself to tell the truth can you, redneck? As your beloved friend Bachslunch says, “More as time allows.”

          • Rasputin
            November 2, 2017

            You’re preemptively accusing Rick Gosselin, Clark Judge, and Ron Borges of lying because of their skin color? Sounds like another cowardly (and certainly bigoted) evasion on your part. Borges in particular seems like a pugnacious SJW type who likely adopts the textbook liberal position on any issue. I bet he’s called countless white people “racist”. Why not give them a chance? They know a lot more about Paul Zimmerman than you do. Maybe one or more of them will agree with you. Or if they don’t, maybe they’ll provide insights that will cause you to reconsider your position.

            Don’t be closed minded or afraid to learn, Joseph Wright. Set aside your (very real) bigotry at least temporarily.

          • Joseph Wright
            November 2, 2017

            Bump this, I’m no coward like Bachlunch or a redneck racist troll who obviously uses a fake name (“Rasputin”–whatever) to hide behind racist observations. I never accused the above gentlemen of lying because of their skin color, redneck. Tell you what. I’ll ask them about Zimmerman’s racism AFTER you can show me ANY documented proof of Zimmerman saying Tarkenton, Staubach, Elway, or Steve Young should shift to another position after their respective first two dismal years as NFL QBs. Then if they say “No,” I’ll stand corrected. Deal?

            You have STILL FAILED to directly answer:
            1) Why did Hall of Fame Head Coach Joe Gibbs decide to start Doug Williams at QB for the ’87 playoffs despite the “fact” the Jay Schroeder had (in your view) done such a “great job” quarterbacking the team?

            2) Why did Warren Moon go undrafted by the NFL after his successful senior year at the University of Washington (PAC-8 player of the Year; Rose Bowl MVP) and had to leave his country to play in Canada for six years?

            3) A. So, where did RC rank in career TD passes at the time of his retirement vs. Romo at the time of his retirement? B. How many playoff wins did RC have in his career vs. Romo’s playoff career? C. How many times did RC make the AP All-Pro Team 1st or 2nd team vs Romo? D. How many times was Romo named or split the league’s season MVP award? E. How many NFL Passing Titles did Tony Romo have?

            Hint: Start Questions 1 and 2 with “Because” and then continue with the reason. Jeez.

          • Rasputin
            November 2, 2017

            “I never accused the above gentlemen of lying because of their skin color”

            Here’s what you said after I suggested you ask the writers here, who actually know Zimmerman, if he’s a “racist”.

            Joseph Wright: “Name one White has ever publicly called another White in the NFL out for being a racist. It doesn’t happen. It’s covered up. You do it yourself. Constantly ducking the Warren Moon/NFL 1978 draft question is the prime example. Can’t bring yourself to tell the truth can you, redneck?”

            BTW, that was after I had already commented extensively about racial prejudice against black QBs back in the 1970s, comparing it to the racial prejudice you’ve consistently exhibited here, from your various comments about what “White(s)” supposedly do to protect each other, to dismissing white safeties as garbage, to flippantly and ignorantly tossing around epithets like “redneck” or “skinhead” when you’re flustered and defensive.

            All I said is that you should use the resource you have here of access to writers who actually know Zimmerman. See what they say. What have you got to lose? That you’re too much of a closed minded, bigoted coward to even ask them speaks volumes.

          • Joseph Wright
            November 2, 2017

            Uh, dumbass? Name one White has ever publicly called another White in the NFL out for being a racist. It doesn’t happen. It’s covered up. Can you prove me wrong? Look at the NBA. You think the NBA owners didn’t know about Donald Sterling’s racism BEFORE he was exposed?

            Skip Bayless got his start out here at the L.A. Times. In 1977, the best senior QB coming out of college was Doug Williams, who threw 38 TD passes at Grambling and finished fourth in the Heisman race. Bayless asked a prominent NFL GM about Doug Williams. The man, speaking on the cowardly condition of anonymity, told Bayless that his team “had no use” for Williams saying that Williams “didn’t think well enough to be an NFL quarterback.” Bayless was astonished. “If you put Doug Williams stats (6-4, 220, 38 TD passes, strong arm) and profile–minus the skin color–into a computer,” Bayless said, “it would spit out ‘No. 1 pick in the draft.'”

            That’s the coverup I’m talking about. Not Bayless. It is his job to protect his sources if they request anonymity or speak off the record. However, that cowardly GM should have been man enough to put his name by that statement.

            “Ask them if Zimmerman is a racist…” “What have you got to lose…” What a stupid request. What the hell are the gonna say? Instead, let’s go for real exoneration for Z. You show me Zimmerman suggesting a position move after the dismal respective first two seasons of Tarkenton, Staubach (who took a major dive his second year; Cunningham went up), Elway, and Steve Young, then we can talk. I never said you and Zimmerman kept Moon out of the NFL, fool. However, it must be pointed out that had James Harris (Rams) and Doug Williams (Buccaneers) hadn’t shown some NFL success, Moon quite likely would have had to play his whole career in Canada as did a lot of other deserving, talented Black QBs.

            But, ONCE AGAIN, direct answers to direct questions:

            1) Why did Hall of Fame Head Coach Joe Gibbs decide to start Doug Williams at QB for the ’87 playoffs despite the “fact” the Jay Schroeder had (in your view) done such a “great job” quarterbacking the team?

            2) Why did Warren Moon go undrafted by the NFL after his successful senior year at the University of Washington (PAC-8 player of the Year; Rose Bowl MVP) and had to leave his country to play in Canada for six years?

            3) A. So, where did RC rank in career TD passes at the time of his retirement vs. Romo at the time of his retirement? B. How many playoff wins did RC have in his career vs. Romo’s playoff career? C. How many times did RC make the AP All-Pro Team 1st or 2nd team vs Romo? D. How many times was Romo named or split the league’s season MVP award? E. How many NFL Passing Titles did Tony Romo have?

            Hint: Start Questions 1 and 2 with “Because” and then continue with the reason. redneck.

          • Rasputin
            November 2, 2017

            I love how you stupidly go from denying that you’re using their skin color against them (aka bigotry defined) to doubling down on doing just that after I reminded you of your own words about “White(s)” just a couple of posts ago, Joseph Wright. You never did answer that question about whether you have a learning disability or some other kind of mental handicap.

            Your excuses for being too much of a coward to even ask the writers here for their input don’t fly.

            “Name one White has ever publicly called another White in the NFL out for being a racist. It doesn’t happen. It’s covered up.”

            Redskins owner George Preston Marshall was attacked by writers for not hiring any black players into the early 1960s, and creatively mocked by, among others, Cowboys owner Clint Murchison (including through one plot by Murchison’s friends to release 75 white and 1 black chicken onto the Redskins’ field at halftime).

            But we’re talking about media here. Poor Jimmy the Greek lost his NFL analyst job in 1988 just for clumsily trying to praise blacks’ athleticism. Black sportscaster Irv Cross, who worked with Jimmy for years, claimed he wasn’t racist, but that didn’t stop the mostly white media from almost universally denouncing him as such.

            Rush Limbaugh was falsely accused of “racism” in much of the media just for suggesting that the media had an interest in seeing black QB success, and an emotional investment in Donovan McNabb in particular given the hype surrounding his entrance into the league about how he was going to revolutionize the NFL (he didn’t, and most people hate to admit they were wrong). Limbaugh’s comments were likely correct and even if they weren’t that doesn’t make them “racist”. He even made it clear that such media concern was irrational and unnecessary since there were already other good black QBs (if not “revolutionary” ones), but he was still fired from his ESPN gig (it may have been a blessing to get off that sinking ship, though if ESPN was the kind of company that could employ both someone like Limbaugh and an insecure has-been like Tom Jackson or strident race baiter like Jemele Hill at the same time, appealing to the entire country rather than just a far left sliver of it, maybe it wouldn’t be the sinking ship it is today).

            The ensuing media storm proved Rush right if anything, and various sportswriters have since come out and admitted it, including some staunchly liberal ones (e.g. google Slate “Rush Limbaugh Was Right”), but some idiots still attack his comments as “racist”.

            Or look at all the recent virtue signaling from Bob Costas and countless others condemning the name “Redskins” for supposedly being racist. Polls show American Indians themselves disagree, but “journalists” of all skin colors LOVE accusing white people of “racism”, whether deserved or not, especially if they can posture as righteous in the process. So your premise is completely wrong.

            Even if it wasn’t, dismissing Rick, Ron, and Clark here as so unreliable that they’re not even worth asking despite their personal knowledge of the man you’re accusing, because their skin color suggests they’ll just cover up for a fellow “White” (sic), is certainly racially prejudiced and wrong.

            PS – Skip Bayless, lol? I’m not sure what you’re even trying to argue there since I laid out 1970s prejudice against black QBs in more detail than you had, but Bayless is a terrible source for anything, especially if his “source” is anonymous. He made his bones as an anti-Cowboys troll in Dallas before making the national media (where he’s apparently switched into some kind of pro Cowboys troll, not that I watch his show). Among other countless false claims, in the 1990s he spread around the rumor that Troy Aikman was gay. The guy is a sleazebag with zero credibility. Sort of like of you.

          • Joseph Wright
            November 3, 2017

            I feel completely vindicated by your latest racist response based on lies, redneck. I never said these fine gentlemen who write for this site would be covering for Zimmerman because they are White. It is the overall sports journalists’ code, the same one that led Michael Wilbon to shamefully try to cover for the White writer who asked the infamous “How long have you been a Black quarterback?” question to Doug Williams. As for Gosselin, Borges, and Clark–men who have championed the causes or, at least, the rights of Colin Kaepernick, Jack Tatum, and others–I am not going to drag them in to your idiotic sleazy game by asking them YOUR dumb question.

            Your siding with Rush Limbaugh’s racist assessment of Donovan McNabb (He only went on to lead the Eagles into the Super Bowl; there have been plenty of overrated White QBs in the NFL–McMahon, Testeverde, Jeff George– and no one made it a racial issue; Limbaugh was just dead wrong), your insistance that “Redskins” (unlike redneck) is not racially insensitive (BTW, the term is Native Americans, not American Indians–what an idiotic dipstick you are), and your criticism of Jimmy the Greek’s firing (and Al Campanis’, no doubt) further reveals your true self–that of a bigoted, racist redneck.

            Well, well, well. You side with “poor Jimmy the Greek.” The man who reported on point spreads on national TV (I thought the league was against gambling) and in that drunk, racist dribble said that, with the dominance of Black athletes in fooball, if you gave Blacks head coaching jobs, what would be left for the Whites? So don’t give Blacks head coaching jobs, Jimmy? Interesting that about a week before that, in the pre-game of the Washington-Chicago playoff matchup, he asked Sonny Jurgensen “Why the change (Jay Schroeder to Williams) now (the playoffs)? Do you feel there is a choke factor (with Williams)?” Williams went on to win that game for Washington, keyed by completing 9-11 third down passes in the game. Of course, Williams went on to take the team all the way to the Super Bowl Title. So much for the “choke factor.”

            Although the Troy Aikman allusion was wrong, Skip Bayless has always been a standup guy. His source was anonymous because his source was a racist coward who demanded anonymity (“We have no use for Doug Williams…He doesn’t think well enough to be an NFL quarterback”). So, if that anonymous off-the-record scumbag is still alive, you two would be very happy together.

            So any Black person who calls you out on your flaws has a learning disability? Way to throw the autistic and Down Syndrome communities under the bus, redneck. Oh well, according to you–just like you told another female on this website–“they’re just drops in a bucket.”

            If Cookie Gilchrist had been elected to the HOF and gave his speech, you be ripping him just like you have Jim Brown, Kenny Easley, and Kaepernick.

            ONCE AGAIN with direct answers:
            1) Why did Hall of Fame Head Coach Joe Gibbs decide to start Doug Williams at QB for the ’87 playoffs despite the “fact” the Jay Schroeder had (in your view) done such a “great job” quarterbacking the team?

            2) Why did Warren Moon go undrafted by the NFL after his successful senior year at the University of Washington (PAC-8 player of the Year; Rose Bowl MVP) and had to leave his country to play in Canada for six years?

            3) A. So, where did RC rank in career TD passes at the time of his retirement vs. Romo at the time of his retirement? B. How many playoff wins did RC have in his career vs. Romo’s playoff career? C. How many times did RC make the AP All-Pro Team 1st or 2nd team vs Romo? D. How many times was Romo named or split the league’s season MVP award? E. How many NFL Passing Titles did Tony Romo have?

            Hint: Start Questions 1 and 2 with “Because” and then continue with the reason.

          • Rasputin
            November 3, 2017

            “I never said these fine gentlemen who write for this site would be covering for Zimmerman because they are White. It is the overall sports journalists’ code,”

            Too late to backpedal here, little Joey. Here’s what you said as your excuse for not asking the writers here for their take on Zimmerman when they actually know him:

            Joseph Wright: “Name one White has ever publicly called another White in the NFL out for being a racist. It doesn’t happen. It’s covered up.”

            You’re saying Rick, Ron, and Clark aren’t worth asking because they’re white. Like with your other bigoted comments, Joseph Wright, you can’t pretend you didn’t say this because the proof is there in black and white for anyone to see. At least be man enough to stand by your pronouncements.

            “It is the overall sports journalists’ code, the same one that led Michael Wilbon to shamefully try to cover for the White writer who asked the infamous “How long have you been a Black quarterback?” question to Doug Williams.”

            So you’re also saying you assume that Rick, Ron, and Clark would lie because they’re sports writers?

            “your insistance that “Redskins” (unlike redneck) is not racially insensitive (BTW, the term is Native Americans, not American Indians–what an idiotic dipstick you are),”

            Wrong, little Joey. Unlike you I actually know what I’m talking about. In the 1970s an intertribal conference voted for “American Indian” over alternatives as their preferred ethnic designation. Polling has shown Indians still prefer “American Indian” to “Native American”. “Native American” is a BS PC term largely pushed by white campus liberals who don’t personally know any Indians. Even many radical Indian activists like Russel Means have condemned and rejected the term “Native American”.

            It’s a similar phenomenon with “Redskins”. A 2004 Annenberg national survey found 90% of Indians weren’t offended by the team’s name. A 2016 national Washington Post poll, taken after all the recent controversy and media shaming of Dan Snyder found……….the exact same thing. 90% of Indians weren’t offended by the Redskins’ name. Many express pride in the name. This whole thing was another firestorm ginned up by leftist activists who don’t represent or indeed really know the people they’re supposedly crusading on behalf of (sound familiar?). After that poll was released the issue mostly evaporated and Bob Costas, burned on gun control and now the naming controversy, skulked back under his rock to wait for a trendy liberal bandwagon he can jump on that might actually go somewhere (it ain’t Kaepernick’s, lol).

            “You side with “poor Jimmy the Greek.””

            No, and I never opposed his firing, liar. I said “poor” because in one interview his entire career was ruined (I’m a compassionate human being) and, while his statements were clumsy and poorly thought out (as I said), it’s not like he was spewing hatred toward blacks. Reggie White said pretty much the same thing as Jimmy the Greek in the late 90s, even explicitly citing him to say he agreed with him.

            Your lame excuse for chickening out of out asking the writers here for their insight into a man whom they know and you’re demonizing was to challenge me to name a single case of a white person around the NFL being called out for “racism” by other whites.

            I gave you four examples. One really was racial bigotry, one was softly prejudiced, and the other two were completely false charges, but the point was that your claim was wrong, indeed the opposite of the truth.

            Since I’ve already repeatedly answered your questions and debunked your insipid arguments, why don’t you direct your attention toward asking the writers here their views on Zimmerman? What have you got to lose?

            “So any Black person who calls you out on your flaws has a learning disability? Way to throw the autistic and Down Syndrome communities under the bus, redneck.”

            Don’t hide behind your skin color, coward. Race has nothing to do with the stupidity you display. And no, my question about whether you have a learning disability was sincere. If you had copped to that I would have changed my tone as I said, having had friends with Down Syndrome and other handicaps over the years (though I had in mind not DS but something more acutely focused on reading per se in your case; and most people with autism I know are significantly more intelligent then you are). But if you don’t then there’s no excuse for your postings.

            “I feel completely vindicated”

            That’s because you’re a moron who’s so cowardly and dishonest that you lie even to yourself.

            PS – “Skip Bayless has always been a standup guy.”

            LOL! That statement would be the dumbest thing a normal person might post. For you it’s barely par.

          • Joseph Wright
            November 3, 2017

            A person WITHOUT a learning disability, mental handicap, or racial hangups would never get deleted from a website such as this, redneck. A person with any one of those problems inevitably will. Which one of us was deleted? That tells us who has a problem.

            This is a post supporting the case for Cookie Gilchrist, someone you would have ripped if you read his history. Colin Kaepernick’s freedom of speech has been supported on this site. Kenny Easley and his HOF speech have been supported on this site. I have never been deleted. You have. You are the only one of us who has had to be shut down. Those are facts.

            You have insulted Blacks, Native Americans, and the mentally disabled in stupid, ignorant attempts to support failed ideas that only an idiot would support. Those are the facts. BTW, what time is your Klan meeting tonight? Can you answer that question, skinhead?

          • Rasputin
            November 3, 2017

            Lying about me to divert attention away from your own, very real bigoted comments is pathetic, cowardly, and doomed to failure, Joseph Wright, when anyone can read our posts above.

            You said you won’t bother asking the writers their opinion of a guy they know whom you’re demonizing because they’re “White” and you feel they’d lie to protect another “White”, and because you feel they’d also lie to protect a fellow sportswriter. Your bigoted comments about white safeties have been quoted all over this thread, as well as your other debunked drivel, moron. You’re not even man enough to admit I just educated your ignorant ass about American Indians and THEIR preferred designation. Your posts also stand as proof that people don’t get “deleted” here for “racist” comments, despite your dishonest bleating otherwise.

            Between us you’re the only one who has ever posted any racially bigoted comments. That’s a fact. I have no idea what Cookie Gilchrist would say today about completely different issues and neither do you, but if he said stupid or bigoted things I’d call him out for it, and if he said good things I’d praise him for it, just as I do anyone else, regardless of skin color. I don’t grade on a racial curve.

          • Joseph Wright
            November 3, 2017

            If I have made all these “racist” comments and you never have (LOL!!!), why were YOU deleted from this site and I never have been? What does that say about this site and those who control it? Obviously, I’ve never offended them but you have.

          • Rasputin
            November 3, 2017

            So your position is that “racism” is the only possible reason for a message board post being deleted, LOL? I’ve had exactly one response deleted (consisting of two posts), and it featured a bunch of legal details of recent and ongoing cases. An overly cautious mod must have deleted it out of concern over legal liability. It wasn’t remotely “racist”. I reformulated the same points with vaguer legal details on the same page and those posts still stand.

            I’ve also quoted several racially bigoted comments by you. You haven’t been able to find one racially bigoted comment by me. That’s the bottom line.

          • Joseph Wright
            November 3, 2017

            No, the bottom line is that you were deleted for a racist post and I never have been.

          • Rasputin
            November 4, 2017

            Liar. Given your own proven dishonesty and racial bigotry, Joseph Wright, you’re certainly shameless to call Rick Gosselin, Clark Judge, and Ron Borges liars.

          • Joseph Wright
            November 4, 2017

            The post by you was inappropriate, racially insensitive, and ignorant. That’s why your dumb post was deleted. Can’t allow posts that show racist tendencies (“They”–murdered Blacks–“are just drops in a bucket”–your ignorant words) and/or an IQ of less than 70 on this board. Posts that show no racism and IQs upward from 140 are taken here. If you get deleted from this site you are an idiot or a racist. I’ve never been deleted, can you say the same?

          • Rasputin
            November 5, 2017

            You’re a liar, Joseph Wright, which is why you misquoted me to a laughable degree to change the meaning. Plus that quote is in a post that still stands. It wasn’t deleted. So you’re a double liar. I listed similar examples of unarmed WHITES and blacks being killed by cops, along with overall stats, to show that the CASES of both are a drop in the bucket of total homicides and police interactions.

            “….to show that neither establishes racial malice let alone some systemic epidemic of carnage, as in both cases they’re a drop in the bucket.” (my actual words there)

            You can disagree with me if you’re so obstinate and stupid that you don’t care about facts, but there’s nothing “racist” about the comment.

            You’ve posted plenty of racist garbage though.

          • Joseph Wright
            November 6, 2017

            If it was “racist garbage,” why wasn’t it deleted like your racist garbage? You have lied about your age, positions on racial double standards, Jimmy the Greek’s firing, Rush Limbaugh, Jack Tatum’s role in Darryl Stingley’s injury, Tatum coming to practice late due to oversleeping, etc., etc.

            I said “Hollywood” Henderson rung Rick Upchurch’s bell in SB XII (which Henderson did) as opposed to Cliff Harris (AFTER Henderson softened that scrub up, it turns out a weak hit by Harris actually did. Or, in your ignorant words “Oh, OK.”) was simply a mistake, not a lie. I have lied about nothing on this website. Was I lying about you putting up racist crap only to be deleted?

            What’s worse, instead of admitting your mistake and racism and apologizing, your response was, “Are you freaking kidding me?” You are a racist, bigoted redneck in denial.

          • Rasputin
            November 6, 2017

            Yawn. It’s funny how every time you follow me somewhere and try to ambush me you only reveal more of your own, very real racial bigotry. Here are some real bigoted comments:

            Joseph Wright: “Harris was a White man and, when it came time to defend Lynn Swann, he couldn’t jump.”

            Joseph Wright: “It’s players like Cliff Harris, Larry Wilson, Dick Anderson and Bill Bates that USC’s Sam Cunningham exploited that gave Paul “Bear” Bryant the vision and validation (to closed-minded, in-denial Confederates) to update his talent pool. The Larry Wilsons and Cliff Harrises were out and the Tatums and Ken Houstons were in.”

            Joseph Wright: “Cliff Harris was on the track team (lol)? What’d he do? Throw the javelin? Run the mile? Poll vault? I KNOW it wasn’t the sprints or the high-jump.”

            Joseph Wright: “Name one White has ever publicly called another White in the NFL out for being a racist. It doesn’t happen. It’s covered up.”

            And everything you just said in your last post is a lie. You haven’t even caught me in a mistake while I’ve had to factually correct you on countless topics. If you were less stupid than you are you’d cut your losses and stop stalking me out of your butthurt vendetta. But like a moth repeatedly ramming a light fixture you probably won’t, will you, bigot?

          • Joseph Wright
            November 7, 2017

            I’m not following you around at all. I go to pop-ups that interest me (e.g., Adrian Peterson naming his Top 5 runners of All-Time–which Emmitt Smith FAILED to make; Kenny Easley’s great HOF induction speech; Social Activist Cookie Gilchrist’s recommendation for the HOF). Of course, being the unobjective, over-the-top Cowboy fan you are, you have something to say. Additionally, when a Black individual who is an activist (Easley, Gilchrist, or Kaepernick) who speaks out or demonstrates against White racism, you’re always there posting your ridiculous defense of White racism.

            Of course, only an ignorant, stupid redneck like you would be deleted from this open-minded, honorable site for racially insensitive, offensive remarks. And compounding the stupidity, instead of apologizing and re-examining yourself, your response is, “Are you freaking kidding me?” It’s people like you that Gilchrist spoke out against. Combine that with his AFL career (which many old NFL loyalists/AFL haters still hold in contempt) and his pro football career is still on the outside of the HOF looking in.

            Later, redneck.

          • Rasputin
            November 7, 2017

            I quote a bunch of racist stuff you actually said, and all you can reply with are lies about me in your own words. I’ll show you how to support a claim. Pay attention, moron:

            Joseph Wright thinks the writers of this site are liars who aren’t even worth asking for their opinion on Paul Zimmerman, whom they know, because they’re white and he assumes white people will lie to protect each other.

            Joseph Wright: “Name one White has ever publicly called another White in the NFL out for being a racist. It doesn’t happen. It’s covered up.” (sic)

            See? I post a claim and I actually back it up with a quote from you that anyone can verify for themselves on this page with a quick F3 search. You were judging the writers here by the color of their skin. Talk about heaving around racial baggage….

            Anyone can visit the “Kenny Easley delivered a knock out speech at his HOF induction” article and see for themselves that my “drop in the bucket” post you’ve been whining about is still there, that you’re lying about it having been deleted, and that there isn’t anything remotely “racist” about it (they can also see me saying nothing but good things about Gilchrist on this page, contrary to another of your countless lies).

            It’s not racist to say that cops are innocent until proven guilty too. I asked for proof of systemic, racially malicious “carnage” by police against blacks, as the gasbag Easley alleged, and you couldn’t provide any.

            Calling Colin Kaepernick out for ignorantly praising communist dictator Fidel Castro (who oppressed blacks among other things) and for his dumb anti-American NFL protests isn’t racist (ask Cuban refugees).

            Posting FBI stats and peer reviewed scientific studies on law enforcement debunking half baked BLM racial propaganda isn’t racist. It’s the “conversation” we’re supposed to be having. Reason in pursuit of truth and REAL justice, not just blind emotion.

            Criticizing someone who happens to be black isn’t racist when the criticism has nothing to do with the person’s race and didn’t even mention skin color, a pitiful card you tried to play here earlier at a moment when you were particularly flustered and desperate. It’s sad that I have to spell this out to a grown man.

            Disagreeing with Joseph Wright isn’t racist. In fact it’s often the opposite, as your racially bigoted comments show. Have a nice day, you cowardly, race baiting buffoon.

            PS – Emmitt Smith makes a lot more experts’ top 5 RB lists than Adrian Peterson ever will, LOL. Peterson was a great player but his analytical skills carry only slightly more weight than his child rearing advice. And Tatum rightly ranks a lot lower on most experts’ safety lists than Cliff Harris.

          • Joseph Wright
            November 7, 2017

            I said you were deleted for racially insensitive, offensive remarks? If this weren’t true, I wouldn’t have said it. You’ve had the dishonor of having been deleted. None of my remarks have ever been. Why is that?

            The gatekeepers of this website understood the humor in the White Men Can’t Jump reference to Cliff Harris’ inability to stop Lynn Swann. An idiot, oversensitive racist like yourself could not. Lat I checked WMCJ is a critically acclaimed movie that did well at the box office and has not been banned. So, I wasn’t deleted.

            Kaepernick’s stand is not about disrespecting the flag, disrespecting the military, or anti-American. It is practicing his freedom of speech and right to peacefully protest. Just like Muhammad Ali (refusing to fight for the U.S. military in Vietnam; U.S.Supreme Court Acquitted him 8-0), Tommie Smith and John Carlos Olympic protest in 1968 (They were ultimately given their medals), or various protest by Dr. Martin Luther King (Who was, like Ali, Anti-Vietnam war).

            Your takes on police brutality against innocent Blacks was deemed too offensive for this site so it was taken down shortly after you racistly posted it. If It wasn’t offensive it wouldn’t have been taken down in the first place. I’m positive the deletion of your ignorant statement would set well with Cookie Gilchrist.

          • Rasputin
            November 8, 2017

            “Kaepernick’s stand is not about disrespecting the flag, disrespecting the military, or anti-American.”

            Colin Kaepernick: “I am not going to stand up to show pride in a flag for a country that oppresses (blah, blah, blah).” (for source google Mediate, In His Own Words: Colin Kaepernick’s Anthem Protest Was Against The Flag And The Country)

            That’s on top of the fact that he was physically disrespecting the flag and national anthem, all rhetoric and empty caveats from later imitators aside.

            Now that we’ve dispatched that predictably banal lie from you, dimwit, what’s next? Oh yes.

            “I said you were deleted for racially insensitive, offensive remarks? If this weren’t true, I wouldn’t have said it.”

            Unless you were lying, as you just did above and you’ve been caught doing all over this thread. I just said anyone can go to that page and see that my “bucket” post you were whining about is still standing there (not deleted), along with my extensive arguments annihilating BLM propaganda. As I already said and you ignored (because you’re dishonest and unscrupulous; thanks for hanging around long enough to make that abundantly clear to any honest observer reading this), the only thing I ever had deleted was a response posting legal details of ongoing cases, and that must have been why they were removed. When I reposted the same arguments and rhetoric without some of the specific legal details they weren’t deleted.

            There wasn’t anything remotely racist in them or in anything I’ve ever posted, which is why you can’t find a single example of me posting anything racist while I’ve documented several of your racially bigoted quotes.

            “Oversensitive”, lol? Wrong. I told you I wasn’t offended. I’m just amused by the irony of you exhibiting real bigotry so blatantly while falsely smearing countless others with the “racist” label in self righteous fashion. You weren’t just telling a bad “joke” though. Your other comments made clear that you really do dismiss white safeties (among others) in general as garbage because of their skin color. You were trying to make serious HoF arguments, if ineptly.

            Quotes merely exhibiting racial prejudice or bigotry aren’t necessarily deleted any more than lies, stupidity, rude comments, or soft cussing are. Why do you assume otherwise? If those things were deleted then almost all of your posts would be removed and I’d be robbed of a free punching bag for my amusement, LOL.

            PS – The protests you mindlessly equated with Kaepernick’s indulgent displays were from half a century ago (not all of them were equally admirable) and dealt with completely different issues ranging from segregation to Vietnam. Do you support all protests of any kind or is it not a coincidence that you only listed ones by people of a certain skin color? How about ones by kids trying to imitate something they saw on a documentary that they thought looked cool and that infuses them with a sense of importance?

            Back then there was real racial oppression of blacks: actual laws and policies mandating discrimination. There was no need to resort to divining “code words” and “secret racism”, or to spew wild-eyed rhetoric about white cops gleefully and systematically murdering black people.

            MLK opposed this segregation by appealing to Americans’ shared Christian morality, to the moral, legal, and intellectual traditions of Western Civilization (e.g. 1963 Birmingham letter from jail), and by approvingly citing founding American principles like “all men are created equal” (he didn’t let Jefferson being a slave owner at the time stop him from quoting his timeless words or seeing his greatness), attempting to shame the system for not realizing them. He didn’t protest the national anthem.

            By contrast Kaepernick rejects the country and doesn’t realize that he’s disrespecting the very ideals he would need to advance his cause if indeed he had a legitimate cause. His comments have shown that, to the extent he has any sort of ideology, he’s vaguely Marxist, deeply anti-American, and (semi) informed by cynical radical activists who absolutely hate the country and who have thrown in with racial bigots in their fight against it. There isn’t any evidence Kaepernick knows what he’s talking about. Adopted by well off white parents and already a young millionaire who got rich playing a fun kid’s game, certainly any claim that this alleged “oppression” stems from his personal experience rings hollow to say the least.

            Kaepernick stopped standing for the anthem basically because he was pouting over being benched, and because he was influenced by his new girlfriend, Nessa Diab, a radical political/racial/Islamic activist in the music industry.

            After they started dating Kaepernick starting using social media to celebrate people like the Black Panthers, cop killers, and black nationalists like Malcolm X, the Nation of Islam, etc..

            MLK opposed that “black power” stuff.

            “Black supremacy or aggressive black violence is as invested with evil as white supremacy or white violence.” – Martin Luther King

            In fact those guys hated King for supporting racial unity with white Americans, and called him nasty names I won’t repeat here.

            I side with Martin Luther King. I wish you did.

          • Joseph Wright
            November 8, 2017

            ““Oversensitive”, lol? Wrong. I told you I wasn’t offended. I’m just amused by the irony of you exhibiting real bigotry so blatantly while falsely smearing countless others with the “racist” label in self righteous fashion. You weren’t just telling a bad “joke” though. Your other comments made clear that you really do dismiss white safeties (among others) in general as garbage because of their skin color. You were trying to make serious HoF arguments, if ineptly. ”

            If you weren’t offended, then why did you immediately assume that I was attacking Cliff Harris and Larry Wilson solely because they’re White? Sounds like you were race-baiting, like you have been fervently and unsuccessfully doing since your oversensitive reaction to the White Men Can’t Jump joke at Harris’ expense. Maybe I should put it this way so you’ll be perfectly clear, moron: White safeties like Cliff Harris, Larry Wilson, and Charlie Waters WERE garbage in the ’70s and beyond. White safeties like Mike Wagner, Jake Scott, Paul Krause, Gary Fencik, as well as Jack Tatum Ohio State/Raider proteges Tim Fox, Doug Plank, and Vann McElroy were not.

            “PS – The protests you mindlessly equated with Kaepernick’s indulgent displays were from half a century ago (not all of them were equally admirable) and dealt with completely different issues ranging from segregation to Vietnam. Do you support all protests of any kind or is it not a coincidence that you only listed ones by people of a certain skin color?”

            A protest is a protest, dumbass. What difference does it make whether the protest is from 50 years ago or yesterday? The issues and injustices are still present today in various facets of American society. Because of the United States First Amendment, Kaepernick was able to express his feelings in a peaceful and nonviolent manner to oppose the killings of innocent Black people by rogue cops. “Pouting because he was benched.” That’s another Razzie lie. Document that.

            Coincidence that the protesters I mentioned were all Black? Well, what other high-profile White athlete was protesting the racism Blacks were facing in the U.S. during the time Ali refused to go into the U.S. Army (with the blessings of Jim Brown, Bill Russell, Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, and Green Bay’s Willie Davis) or when Tommie Smith and John Carlos gave the Black Power salutes at the 1968 Olympics? Is it a coincidence that you list Gosselin, Borges, and Judge for me to ask that question about Zimmerman? Why not ask the opinions of William C. Rhoden, Bryant Gumbel, Roy S. Johnson, James Brown, or Shannon Sharpe. They’re all sports reporters, too. If there are some Whites who I would ask your question about Z, I would go with Joe Namath (who stopped talking with Z because of Z’s obsession with Namath’s preference for his Black teammates), Howard Cosell (if he were still alive; championed the causes of Ali, Smith and Carlos, Curt Flood, and Black QBs), Skip Bayless, or Cris Collinsworth.

            I find it interesting that as you’re about to get into the meat of WHY Kaepernick is protesting, you ignore it completely with “(blah, blah, blah).” That just further eliminates his true reason for the protest: police brutality on innocent Black people. Racist bigots like Donald Trump and you have turned that into a racist, corrupt science. Love the misleading google headline on Kaepernick’s stand. You guys lie and twist everything regarding the modern Black plight in America.

            Was Ali disrespecting the military when he refused to step forward (which he did in support of his religion–big Razzie gasp–Islam)?

            If Smith and Carlos’ actions in the ’68 Olympics were so wrong, why were they awarded their medals years later?

            Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, Elvin Hayes, and Wes Unseld refused to represent the U.S. in those same Olympics for the same reasons: Unfair treatment of Blacks in the United States.

            “I side with Martin Luther King.” You are SO full of bull. And what is wrong with the Nation of Islam, Malcolm X and the Black Panthers?

            You have been deleted for offensive comments from this upstanding website, redneck. I have not. Is that a lie?

          • Rasputin
            November 8, 2017

            “White safeties like Cliff Harris, Larry Wilson, and Charlie Waters WERE garbage in the ’70s and beyond.”

            Another great Joseph Wright quote for the portfolio. BTW, it’s amazing how great the Doomsday Defense was in objective, on the field results considering the safety tandem anchoring them was allegedly “garbage”.

            “White safeties like Mike Wagner, Jake Scott, Paul Krause, Gary Fencik, as well as Jack Tatum Ohio State/Raider proteges Tim Fox, Doug Plank, and Vann McElroy were not.”

            Gee, you made some exceptions. Do you also have some white friends? Doesn’t change the fact that you’re the one who brought up race and who racialized this issue by attacking people for their skin color (bigotry defined). You lumped together lots of wildly different safeties from different eras to dismiss as “garbage” (earlier you also tossed in names like Dick Anderson and Bill Bates), skin color being the only thing they had in common. You say that’s not the only factor in you attacking them. Great. I never said it was your only factor (you particularly hate the Cowboys). But race shouldn’t be a factor AT ALL.

            Your statements have also been consistently wrong, as my comments higher in the thread show. For example, despite your ignorant assumptions, Cliff Harris was an athletic collegiate track sprinter and posted an excellent vertical in a scouting test. In this era he’d probably be drafted high. He was also rightly judged as the 1970s best NFL free safety. Even if you quibble with that judgment, seems like a long way from “garbage”. SS Charlie Waters still holds the career playoff interception record (since tied by Lott and a couple of others). Is “garbage” really the most apt adjective, moron?

          • Joseph Wright
            November 9, 2017

            I have been touting Mike Wagner, Jake Scott, Paul Krause, Gary Fencik, as well as Jack Tatum Ohio State/Raider proteges Tim Fox, Doug Plank, and Vann McElroy on other threads and you dismiss them. All were far superior to Cliff Harris.

            “Doesn’t change the fact that you’re the one who brought up race and who racialized this issue by attacking people for their skin color (bigotry defined).” You’re the one who brought up race, Razzie, after I made a humorous connection to the movie, White Men Can’t Jump, to crack on Harris’ pitiful attempt to cover Lynn Swann. You say you weren’t offended (lie), then go WAY over the top with race-baiting as you say I disparage him because he’s White. One person can’t find a joke funny and offensive at the same time. Get some thicker, more objective skin. Develop a since of humor while your at it. And look in the mirror if you want to see a racist.

            “You lumped together lots of wildly different safeties from different eras to dismiss as “garbage” (earlier you also tossed in names like Dick Anderson and Bill Bates), skin color being the only thing they had in common. You say that’s not the only factor in you attacking them. Great. I never said it was your only factor.” This after you wrote: “Your other comments made clear that you really do dismiss white safeties (among others) in general as garbage because of their skin color.” Now you’re backpeddling, saying you never said that was my only factor. Lie. As for Anderson and Bates, they also were slow, unathletic and wore number 40. There was more to their similarities than skin color, idiot. “Lots of safeties?” Anderson, Larry Wilson, and Bill Bates are “lots?” I guess it’s a relative term.

            ” Cliff Harris was an athletic collegiate track sprinter and posted an excellent vertical in a scouting test. In this era he’d probably be drafted high. He was also rightly judged as the 1970s best NFL free safety. Even if you quibble with that judgment, seems like a long way from “garbage”. Quite likely, given the times, he was “sprinting” against segregated (all-White) competition, his vertical obviously didn’t impress anyone enough to EVEN draft him (Warren Moon, by contrast, wasn’t even invited to the scouting combines–slick racist move to make him go undrafted. It is possible to be slick and ignorant, Razzie. See Richard Nixon), and if he couldn’t even get drafted in the ’70s don’t even clown yourself into thinking Harris would “probably be drafted high (LMFAO!; LOL!; ROFLMFAO!!!)” in today’s era. He was judged the “best free safety of the 70s” by Zimmerman. I’m sure Harris would have gotten votes from Lester Maddox and Jimmy the Greek, too.

            ” (S)afety tandem anchoring them,” ? GTFOH! The anchor of that defense, saving Harris and Waters’ slow, unathletic asses was the front four. Great job by Bob Lilly, Jethro Pugh, Larry Cole, Harvey Martin, Randy White, and Too Tall Jones making a garbage safety tandem look good and getting them undeserved All-Pro and Pro Bowl honors in the process. Any free safety who plays for a decade and comes up with fewer than 30 INTs for a career is pathetic. Translation: garbage. Of course, readers, Razzie will add in Harris playoff INTs to get him to 30 and beyond. LOL!!!

            Cookie Gilchrist would have run roughshod over Harris. Oh, wait. Actually, Harris would have looked for a place to hide. Just like he did with Larry Csonka and Earl Campbell. LOL!!!

          • Rasputin
            November 8, 2017

            “And what is wrong with the Nation of Islam, Malcolm X and the Black Panthers?”

            You mean apart from the fact that they’re RACIAL NATIONALISTS, you bigoted halfwit? The Black Panthers were also involved in numerous murders. One former female member, Assata Shakur, whom Kaepernick is a big fan of and has celebrated on social media and in T-shirts, helped lead a BP terrorist splinter group called the Black Liberation Army that waged “war” against the United States in the 1970s through bank robberies, killings, and other crimes.

            Shakur was finally caught and convicted of murdering New Jersey state trooper Werner Foerster. Foerster had escaped the communist oppression of his native East Germany and immigrated to the United States years earlier, deciding to serve his new country by becoming a policeman. He was 34 and responding to back up a colleague at a traffic stop when Shakur and her two comrades, motivated by an ideological mix of racialism and communism, shot him to death. He left behind a wife and two young children.

            Shakur was broken out of prison by BLA members armed with guns and dynamite who took guards hostage. She fled to Cuba and was given asylum because she was an enemy of the USA, not because Castro loved black people (he threw his own black agitators in prison), where she remains to this day churning out anti-American propaganda.

            Kaepernick recently donated $25,000 to a far left activist group named in Shakur’s honor called Assata’s Daughters. A few months ago he also retweeted a “happy birthday” message to the convicted cop killer and racial terrorist.

            On the Nation of Islam, I’ll quote from the Anti Defamation League: “The Nation of Islam (NOI), the oldest Black nationalist organization in the U.S., has maintained a consistent record of anti-Semitism and racism since its founding in the 1930s.”

            The NOI advocates racial separatism and even wants its own black nation carved out from the US. NOI doctrine claims that blacks are the most authentic human beings, and that whites are “devils” created by an evil scientist who are programmed to lie and mistreat dark skinned people. Current leader Louis Farrakhan has continued the movement’s tradition of insane conspiracy theory spewing, often blaming what he calls “Satanic Jews” for various things. Farrakhan has been a vocal champion of Colin Kaepernick.

            Malcolm X, an ex con (robbery), was a prominent NOI leader who fully embraced the group’s racist doctrine and agenda.

            Malcolm X on race: “Thoughtful white people know they are inferior to Black people.”

            Malcolm X on the crash of Air France Flight 007, where the dead included over 100 white passengers from Atlanta: “I would like to announce a very beautiful thing that has happened… Somebody came and told me that he really had answered our prayers in France. He dropped an airplane out of the sky with over 120 white people on it because the Muslims believe in an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth. We call on our God. He gets rid of 120 of them in one whop. But thanks to God, or Jehovah or Allah, we will continue to pray and we hope that every day another plane falls out of the sky.” (the NOI crowd he was addressing responded with cheers, laughter, and applause)

            Malcolm X on JFK’s assassination: “Chickens coming home to roost never did make me sad; they’ve always made me glad.”

            Malcolm X on integration: “It won’t work. It doesn’t solve the problem. Do you know what integration really means? It means intermarriage. That’s the real point behind it. You can’t have it without intermarriage. And that would result in disintegration of both races. The Negro is better off by himself, so he can develop his character and his culture in accord with his own nature….The only real answer is for our people to go back to Africa. But that will come much later. Right now, we need immediate relief from suffering and oppression….If the Government does not let us go back to Africa, then we should have a black nation here.”

            Malcolm, a racial separatist, had little interest in the civil rights movement and called Martin Luther King a “chump” along with worse epithets. He eventually had a falling out with other NOI leadership and left the group. He did become less racist and renounced some of his former views then but that period only lasted about a year before he was assassinated by three Nation of Islam members (Joseph Wright: “And what is wrong with the Nation of Islam…?”). Malcolm X is romanticized by leftist radicals and racial bigots today for his stint with the NOI.

            Your above question may end up in the Hall of Fame for bigoted dumbassery, perhaps on a plaque next to the bust of Colin Kaepernick.

            The short answer to your question is “a lot”.

            “A protest is a protest, dumbass. What difference does it make whether the protest is from 50 years ago or yesterday? The issues and injustices are still present today in various facets of American society.”

            No, moron. Jim Crow ended a long time ago. The only racial discrimination that’s even allowed today is in favor of blacks through affirmative action. Saying the issues today are the same as half a century ago is one of your more asinine lies.

            “Because of the United States First Amendment, Kaepernick was able to express his feelings in a peaceful and nonviolent manner to oppose the killings of innocent Black people by rogue cops.”

            No one should brag about having a “peaceful” protest. That’s a very low bar. Even the modern KKK holds “peaceful and nonviolent” demonstrations, so by your logic is praiseworthy. And I’ve thoroughly debunked the premise that there’s some huge epidemic of innocent black people being wrongly killed by “rogue cops”, let alone for racial reasons. Even if that was happening to some degree, it wouldn’t mean that the national anthem should be hijacked to advance a niche political agenda any more than it should be for abortion (60 million killed innocent babies since Roe v Wade in 1973), healthcare, or countless other important political causes people feel passionately about. That would be the end of any semblance of national unity and it’s unlikely any specific cause would get much attention in the dissonant cacophony that gradually ensued anyway.

            And you’re wrong, chump. The NFL has the power to determine whether Kaepernick can protest as an employee or not. This has nothing to do with the First Amendment, except that it ensures that Kaepernick is currently free to sit for the anthem all he wants on his couch. The Constitution also ensures that fans have the right to stop watching and attending games as their own, far more effective protest against the NFL’s anti-American double standard continues to be felt.

            I note you lack the class to acknowledge that I schooled you with Kaepernick’s own words after you falsely claimed his protest wasn’t about the flag or the country.

            Kaepernick also dismissed the US flag as “just a piece of cloth”. Leaving aside the fact that it would be equally true to say Kaepernick is just a mass of protoplasm, that “piece of cloth” is the last thing many families have of their loved ones who fell in the line of duty in military or police service.

            “Was Ali disrespecting the military when he refused to step forward (which he did in support of his religion–big Razzie gasp–Islam)?”

            Yes. Of course he was. I don’t blame the guy for not wanting to go to Vietnam, but that doesn’t make him a hero. An actual conscientious objector hero was Desmond Doss, the Christian who served as a medic rather than a combatant (big Joey gasp) during WW2 and whose life saving exploits were featured in the recent movie Hacksaw Ridge.

            Being an objector per se wasn’t disrespectful to the military; it was all the anti-American/anti-military garbage Ali couched his objection in. You unwittingly hint on one aspect of the story that’s under told though. Ali wasn’t a pacifist. While liberal media outlets endlessly replay the “I ain’t got no quarrel with them Viet Cong” line, he also said things like this: “I’m not trying to dodge the draft. We are not supposed to take part in no wars unless declared by Allah or The Messenger. We don’t take part in Christian wars or wars of any unbelievers.” And this: “My enemy is the white people, not Viet Cong or Chinese or Japanese.” He was a NOI member during much of his career, recruited by Malcolm X, and embraced everything they stood for. He was hard core enough to end his friendship with Malcolm X near the end of the latter’s life when Malcolm X converted to more mainstream Islam and became less racist.

            I’m not a huge fan of Mohammad Ali. I don’t like his bigotry. I don’t like how he disrespected Joe Frazier and other boxers. His much celebrated refusal to join the military had no impact on the civil rights movement whatsoever, despite them often being conflated by syrupy left wing revisionist portrayals. It didn’t even happen until 3 years after the civil rights act passed, and it had no positive impact on subsequent race relations (“sticking it to the man!!!” doesn’t count).

            Ali did change. In the mid 1970s, like Malcolm before him, he left the NOI, converted to mainstream Sunni Islam, and became less racist. He even endorsed Ronald Reagan in 1984. He did some various good stuff in that phase of his life, and would still make the occasional dumb comment I’d disagree with. He was a lot more likable than he was in the 1960s. But unfortunately that’s the era that gets romanticized.

            I’m more a fan of Joe Louis. He voluntarily enlisted during WW2. He didn’t even wait to be drafted. He was always patriotic despite black people being even more oppressed then than they would be by the 1960s. Louis experienced racial discrimination first hand but saw the good in the country and knew there were even worse evils and threats abroad.

            Or, as he succinctly put it: “Lots of things wrong with America, but Hitler ain’t going to fix them.”

            There were worse evils in the 1960s too. Communism was and remains every bit as evil as Nazism. If Kaepernick knew anything about the real world he’d know that Fidel Castro wasn’t going to fix whatever’s wrong with America, nor would Stalin, Khrushchev, Pol Pot, Mengistu Haile Mariam, or Ho Chi Minh. Or the Nation of Islam or the Black Panthers or Black Lives Matter, for that matter.

            “If Smith and Carlos’ actions in the ’68 Olympics were so wrong, why were they awarded their medals years later?”

            Why were they banned at the time? Is your premise that the establishment is the arbiter of what’s right and wrong? What kind of dumbass, poorly thought out, self defeating point are you even trying to make?

            ““Pouting because he was benched.” That’s another Razzie lie. Document that.”

            Well he was a starter through 2015 and apparently always stood until 2016, when he was relegated to back up status, so its a reasonable inference based on correlation. But I mostly discussed the influence of his radical nutjob girlfriend he started dating in 2015, which you completely ignored in your misquote of me. For more insight into her, she posted a racist attack on Ray Lewis and the Ravens owner that torpedoed the deal when Lewis and the Ravens were actually trying to sign Kaepernick.

            “Is it a coincidence that you list Gosselin, Borges, and Judge for me to ask that question about Zimmerman? Why not ask the opinions of William C. Rhoden, Bryant Gumbel, Roy S. Johnson, James Brown, or Shannon Sharpe. They’re all sports reporters, too.”

            No, I listed the first three because they’re the writers at this site we’re on. Holy crap you’re stupid. But I’d be interested if you asked the others too. Better than following me around repeating your inane crap like I’m Zimmerman’s personal spokesman or something.

            “If there are some Whites who I would ask your question about Z,……”

            There you go again viewing things through a racial prism. And why do you capitalize “White” and “Black”? It’s creepy. Never mind. I don’t even care.

            “….I would go with Joe Namath (who stopped talking with Z because of Z’s obsession with Namath’s preference for his Black teammates), Howard Cosell (if he were still alive; championed the causes of Ali, Smith and Carlos, Curt Flood, and Black QBs), Skip Bayless, or Cris Collinsworth.”

            A real winning lineup there, LOL! The dead guy, Cossell, was criticized by some “civil rights” activists himself for calling a Redskins WR a “little monkey”. He refused calls to apologize, saying he didn’t mean anything racial by it and used those words to apply to people of other colors too. So it would be interesting to see you two chat about your view of Zimmerman.

            “I find it interesting that as you’re about to get into the meat of WHY Kaepernick is protesting you ignore it completely with “(blah, blah, blah).”

            Because the point there was that you wrong to say he wasn’t disrespecting the flag or country. He went out of his way to say he was avoiding respecting the flag and country, even using the words “flag” and “country”. The reason is beside the point.

            “That just further eliminates his true reason for the protest: police brutality on innocent Black people. Racist bigots like Donald Trump and you have turned that into a racist, corrupt science.”

            You mean “science” like the recent study by Harvard professor Roland G. Fryer, a black liberal, who found police AREN’T any more likely to shoot blacks than whites, and who admitted that was “the most surprising result of my career”? (google “No racial bias in police shootings, study by Harvard professor shows”)

            So much for Kaepernick’s “cause”.

            I’m obviously no bigot and I doubt Trump is either. As Trump’s friend Floyd Mayweather observed, no one was really smearing Trump as a “racist” until he started running for president. We’ve established that you’re a bigot though, Joseph Wright.

            “You have been deleted for offensive comments from this upstanding website, redneck. I have not. Is that a lie?”

            Yes. You can’t even cite the alleged “offensive” comment and you keep repeating that BS anyway, you lying moron. You need a new act.

          • Joseph Wright
            November 9, 2017

            “You have been deleted for offensive comments from this upstanding website, redneck. I have not. Is that a lie?”–Me

            “Yes. You can’t even cite the alleged “offensive” comment and you keep repeating that BS anyway, you lying moron.”–Rasputin

            OF COURSE I can’t cite your offensively insensitive comment, redneck. It was deleted! None of my comments, on the other hand, have EVER been deleted from this website. Only an idiot can get deleted from this website. And only an idiot would respond to being punished by insensitive, racist comments with “Are you freaking kidding me!?!?” LOL!!!

            “Assata Shakur was finally caught and convicted of murdering New Jersey state trooper Werner Foerster.” Is that right? Check this out: “Shakur’s infamy began after the May 2, 1973, killing of a New Jersey state trooper. In her letter, as well as in her autobiography, she recounts what happened that night, when she, along with Zayd Malik Shakur and Sundiata Acoli, were stopped on the New Jersey Turnpike for having a faulty tail light. One trooper drew his gun and told them to put their hands in the air, which Assata did. Moments later a shootout ensued, ending with the deaths of Zayd and state trooper Werner Foerster. Assata was also shot while her hands were up. Though the forensic evidence backed up her account, the state was able to convict her, and in 1977 she was sentenced to life plus thirty-three years.” So, the forensic evidence backed up her story but she was convicted anyway. Sounds like a setup to me.

            You’re against racial double-standards? Really?

            “Malcolm X, an ex con (robbery), was a prominent NOI leader who fully embraced the group’s racist doctrine and agenda.” Interesting analysis but earlier, you wrote, “(Dr. Martin Luther King) didn’t let Jefferson being a slave owner at the time stop him from quoting his timeless words or seeing his greatness.” One was a robber, the other was a slave owner, racist, and a rapist (see Sally Hemmings). So you’ll embrace the “greatness” of the White individual (Jefferson) but see no greatness in the Black individual (X/Shabazz)? Sorry to see you lying about being against racial double standards.

            “Malcolm X on race: ‘Thoughtful white people know they are inferior to Black people.'” Maybe those White bigots who were running NFL teams prior to the 1999 draft felt they were being thoughtful when they didn’t draft Warren Moon, Jimmy Jones, Sandy Stephens, Homer Jordan,Karl Douglas, Kevin Murray and countless others as QBs. They only let a few in (Marlin Briscoe, James Harris, Joe Gilliam, Vince Evans, Doug Williams, Randall Cunningham) via the draft over the previous 70+ years).

            “Malcolm X on JFK’s assassination: ‘Chickens coming home to roost never did make me sad; they’ve always made me glad.'” What Malcolm failed to mention was those chickens were from Dallas. Great job of protecting John F. Kennedy, city of Dallas. He was ONLY the President of the United States.

            More Malcolm insights from you: “He did become less racist and renounced some of his former views then but that period only lasted about a year (there’s that Razzie ‘Drop in a bucket’ ideology again) before he was assassinated by three Nation of Islam members (Joseph Wright: ‘And what is wrong with the Nation of Islam…?”).” Oh, really? So should we denounce all Whites in America? Only Whites have assassinated U.S. Presidents. I’m just following YOUR racist stereotypical logic. BTW, Malcolm X changed his views after his pilgramage to Mecca. Oh, that’s right. That’s a (Razzie gasp) Muslim thing.

            “Jim Crow ended a long time ago. The only racial discrimination that’s even allowed today is in favor of blacks through affirmative action. Saying the issues today are the same as half a century ago is one of your more asinine lies.” So because Jim Crow was abolished, there is virtually no racism in the U.S. That ranks right up there with Mike Ditka’s idotic “There has been no oppression in the last 100 years that I know of” comment.

            Let’s just look at the U.S. since 1964–AFTER the Civil Rights Act was signed: Cookie Gilchrist and other AFL All-Stars are treated poorly because they are Black; Warren Moon goes undrafted by the NFL after a successful senior year (PAC-8 Player of the Year; Rose Bowl MVP) in college; Art Shell promoted to head coach in NFL, a quarter century after CRA signed, 70 years after NFL is formed; Barack Obama elected U.S. President, 44 years after CRA is signed, 143 years after the North kicked the South’s ass. As for affirmative action, it was put in place to help Blacks with skills, aptitude, and talent jobs that were denied to them because of skin color. There is only one unqualified Black who benifitted from affirmative action, and he now sits on the Supreme Court.

            ““If Smith and Carlos’ actions in the ’68 Olympics were so wrong, why were they awarded their medals years later?”–Me
            “Why were they banned at the time?”–Rasputin
            Because, as Julian Bond said, “Avery Brundage (IOC President) was a tremendous racist.”

            “Yes. Of course (Muhammad Ali) was (disrespecting the military). I don’t blame the guy for not wanting to go to Vietnam, but that doesn’t make him a hero. An actual conscientious objector hero was Desmond Doss, the Christian who served as a medic rather than a combatant (big Joey gasp) during WW2 and whose life saving exploits were featured in the recent movie Hacksaw Ridge.”

            Several problems with this clutted nonsense. First off, you can’t compare Vietnam with WWI. Two completely different wars and issues. Secondly, Doss was still serving so there was no protest. Thirdly, Ali was a hero because he was willing to go to jail and risk the prime of his career (which he lost) to stand up on principle. That is admirable and heroic, period.

            Additionally, “He was a NOI member during much of his career, recruited by Malcolm X, and embraced everything they stood for.” If he did, why weren’t Angelo Dundee and Ferdie Pacheco (and several other Whites) fired from his staff immediately? Why did he establish a great relationship with Howard Cosell? Ali was never a racist (and neither was Cosell, by the way). Show me one quote where he said, “I hate White people.” You can’t.

            “(“sticking it to the man!!!” doesn’t count).” Obviously it hit a tender nerve with you, redneck. So I guess Malcolm, Ali, and the Panthers (Ken Stabler was friends with Huey Newton BTW) accomplished their objective.

            Two more Razzie lies, readers and I’m out.

            “No one should brag about having a ‘peaceful’ protest. That’s a very low bar.” This from a man who claimed “I side with Martin Luther King.” Yeah, right. You are SO full of bull. Just like that “poster of Warren Moon.” Big lies.

            “And why do you capitalize “White” and “Black”? It’s creepy. Never mind. I don’t even care.” If you don’t even care, why did you bring it up in the first place, you dumbass, lying skinhead. Ebony Magazine, Jet magazine, Essence Magazine, and the 1973 and ’74 editions of “Who’s Who in Football” have done the same thing. They are treated as proper nouns and adjectives. Creeps you out, huh?

            Still undeleted while you were stupid enough to get deleted. LOL!!!

          • Rasputin
            November 10, 2017

            Wow. Joseph Wright, you just defended and apparently fully embrace the Black Panthers, Nation of Islam, and Malcolm X ACROSS THE BOARD even after everything I posted about their rabid racial bigotry and heinous crimes. Before now you had only revealed some racial prejudice and hangups, but you may be even more of a bigot than I realized.

            Are you a black nationalist, Joseph Wright?

            “So, the forensic evidence backed up her story but she was convicted anyway. Sounds like a setup to me.”

            You mean only the two Black Panther comrades in the car with her, whom she admits were shooting, were guilty, lol? Setting aside the fact that you copy pasted a blog (without sourcing it) by a halfwit activist, we’re discussing the Black Panthers in general, not just one person. Kaepernick wears T-Shirts glorifying the Black Panthers and has started camps honoring them that ostensibly teach young black kids how to deal with cops (Awesome. What could possibly go wrong with that? And I’m sure it’s not getting an early start brainwashing them into believing they’re perpetual victims of a “racist” society that they can blame their problems on or anything), and you asked what’s wrong with supporting the Black Panthers.

            You must agree with their professed racist and communist doctrines and not be bothered by the numerous murders, robberies, drug dealing, extortion rackets, embezzlement, and other crimes many members were convicted of or credibly implicated in. Multiple times they murdered their own members when they became liabilities. Women were victims on more than one occasion. Huey Newton was always more of a career criminal than even an ideologue.

            In one episode when Newton was awaiting trial for murdering a 17 year old prostitute (he allegedly lost his temper because she didn’t show him proper “respect”, knocked her down, and shot her in the neck with the exit wound coming out of of her face; she died in a coma 3 months later), the key witness against Newton, a prostitute using the name “Crystal Gray”, was the target of an assassination attempt by three Panthers who attacked the wrong house (it was the address given to the court for Gray and secured by Newton’s defense team but she wasn’t staying there at the time). The woman who lived there returned fire, killing one Panther and sending the other two fleeing. A wounded attacker and long time Panther enforcer, Flores Forbes, fled to Las Vegas and was treated by a Panther paramedic quietly.

            That paramedic, Nelson Malloy, was later taken out into the desert by two more Panthers with orders to tie up loose ends, shot in the back, and buried alive in a shallow grave. He was found by passers by and rescued, paralyzed but alive, and identified his attackers.

            The message had been sent though. A terrified Gray refused to testify and Newton got off. That wasn’t the only time a witness against Huey Newton would get cold feet. Ultimately, however, the Black Panther Party collapsed under the weight of its own criminality in the 1970s. Forbes turned himself in after hiding out for several years and was convicted. Years later he wrote a tell all insider’s account of the brutal daily operations of the Black Panthers’ criminal operations called Will You Die with Me?: My Life and the Black Panther Party. And Eldridge Cleaver admitted to nefarious actions in a 1986 interview with Reason.

            Eldridge Cleaver: “We used to lie about it, because the information was a weapon also. We would go out and ambush cops, but if we got caught we would blame it on them and claim innocence. I did that personally in the case I was involved in….

            Yes. We went after the cops that night, but when we got caught we said they came after us. We always did that. When you talk about the legacy of the ’60s, that’s one legacy. That’s what I try to address, because it helped to distort the image of the police, but I’ve come to the point where I realize that our police department is necessary.”

            I know you’re down with that lying strategy, little Joey.

            As for “Shakur”, she’s a convicted cop killer. The surviving, wounded officer says she fired the first shot that set off the shootout after his colleague found weapons and ammunition in the car, and that she wounded him and kept firing. She didn’t personally shoot Foerster, but was convicted of murder under a law that equated “aiding and abetting” with the murder regardless of who actually fired the lethal bullet. On the stand she also couldn’t explain why she had a bunch of ammunition and a fake ID on her.

            Even if you believe she held her hands up throughout the gunfight while her two partners were trading shots with the cops, that’s hardly grounds for CELEBRATING someone. Remember she was a notorious LEADER in the Black Liberation Army, a group that claimed to be at war with the US, and was implicated in numerous robberies, assaults, and killings over the years. She was prosecuted for this particular crime because she happened to be wounded and caught literally red handed.

            Washington Post citing FBI info on the BLA: “From 1970 to 1984, the BLA was responsible for four bombings, four hijackings and 32 violent armed confrontations in the United States. Sixteen of those involved confrontations with law enforcement officers who were killed”

            The Black Panthers were a thoroughly evil group and it’s disgusting to see clueless young people today sometimes be manipulated by dishonest ideologues into romanticizing them.

            “Malcolm X on race: ‘Thoughtful white people know they are inferior to Black people.’” Maybe those White bigots who were running NFL teams prior to the 1999 draft felt they were being thoughtful when they didn’t draft…(blah, blah, blah)”

            How is that even a rational response? Are you trying to make a point or just sputtering? You don’t HAVE to defend Malcolm X, Joey. You can just acknowledge HIS racial bigotry. You could even say it’s a bad thing. If you believe that.

            ““Malcolm X on JFK’s assassination: ‘Chickens coming home to roost never did make me sad; they’ve always made me glad.’” What Malcolm failed to mention was those chickens were from Dallas. Great job of protecting John F. Kennedy, city of Dallas. He was ONLY the President of the United States.”

            Oh wow. Even I feel sorry for you after that weak diversion attempt. Still a fan of Malcolm X, huh? Where’s your response to him celebrating the plane crash because most of the passengers were white, and praying and calling for such a plane crash every day?

            “So you’ll embrace the “greatness” of the White individual (Jefferson) but see no greatness in the Black individual (X/Shabazz)?”

            Thomas Jefferson wrote the Declaration of Independence and helped found America. The ideals he eloquently espoused changed the world for the better. He was a good president who doubled the size of the nation with the Louisiana Purchase. He founded a prestigious university and did countless other things.

            What “greatness” did Malcolm X contribute? That “Black Power” crap inspired the Black Panthers who went on to commit countless crimes, and his continuing legacy of bigotry, hatred, and black chauvinism is responsible for much of today’s racial strife.

            “”….before he was assassinated by three Nation of Islam members (Joseph Wright: ‘And what is wrong with the Nation of Islam…?”).” Oh, really? So should we denounce all Whites in America? Only Whites have assassinated U.S. Presidents. I’m just following YOUR racist stereotypical logic.”

            I’m talking about a GROUP (NOI) with an ideology, you bigoted clown, not a skin color. Did you also miss that stuff about them believing white people are subhuman “devils”, calling Jews “Satanic”, opposing interracial marriage, and favoring racial separation?

            Were you totally ignorant about them before or do you really see nothing wrong with them? So far you haven’t even said you disagree with any of the racist garbage from Malcolm X or the rest of the NOI, let alone condemn it as wrong.

            “BTW, Malcolm X changed his views after his pilgramage to Mecca. Oh, that’s right. That’s a (Razzie gasp) Muslim thing.”

            Are you a Muslim, Wright? I ask because you keep pretending I’ve been bashing Islam when I’ve said next to nothing about it. But I did already mention Malcolm converted to more mainstream Islam and softened his racist views shortly before being killed, making your comment here even more stupid.

            You’re so thin skinned you get upset about stuff I didn’t even say, lol.

            “So because Jim Crow was abolished, there is virtually no racism in the U.S.”

            I didn’t say that, moron. I’ve documented racism by you and your heroes all over this page. I said only a liar or an ignoramus would claim the racial issues today are the same as they were over half a century ago.

            “There is only one unqualified Black who benifitted from affirmative action, and he now sits on the Supreme Court.”

            Jayson Blair sits on the Supreme Court, LMFAO? He’s hardly the only one either (though the brilliant Clarence Thomas isn’t one). But my point wasn’t about whether you feel affirmative action is a good thing or not. I’m sure many segregationists felt every white person who held a job or school slot they might not have otherwise deserved it too (which wasn’t very many, blacks being a small minority of the population; most whites would have had those spots anyway, putting a lie to the childishly stupid “white privilege” myth; most whites didn’t benefit at all from segregation; in fact it negatively impacted society overall). I simply pointed out that it exists as official policies and is racial discrimination by definition.

            “143 years after the North kicked the South’s ass.”

            Not an ass kicking when you lose more than the other guy does, result aside. Do you even know that about 360,000 union troops died in the war that led to the abolition of slavery? You don’t sound a bit solemn or respectful about that enormous sacrifice.

            Like the coward you are, you completely ignored my question here (apart from the almost rhetorical first line):

            Joseph Wright: “If Smith and Carlos’ actions in the ’68 Olympics were so wrong, why were they awarded their medals years later?”

            Me: “Why were they banned at the time? Is your premise that the establishment is the arbiter of what’s right and wrong? What kind of dumbass, poorly thought out, self defeating point are you even trying to make?”

            Still waiting for an answer.

            Me: “Yes. Of course (Muhammad Ali) was (disrespecting the military). I don’t blame the guy for not wanting to go to Vietnam, but that doesn’t make him a hero. An actual conscientious objector hero was Desmond Doss, the Christian who served as a medic rather than a combatant (big Joey gasp) during WW2 and whose life saving exploits were featured in the recent movie Hacksaw Ridge.”

            Joseph Wright: “Several problems with this clutted nonsense. First off, you can’t compare Vietnam with WWI. Two completely different wars and issues. Secondly, Doss was still serving so there was no protest.”

            Your response was the cluttered nonsense. Assuming you meant WW2 and not WW1, educating you on the differences and similarities between these various wars would be off topic. I simply gave an example of a conscientious objector, with real moral principles, who was actually heroic and who still served his country. You also cut off the part of my response where I directly answered your question about disrespecting the military. It wasn’t that Ali was an objector, it was that he couched his objection in anti-American/anti-military rhetoric. So yes, whether you agree with him or not it was disrespectful.

            “Thirdly, Ali was a hero because he was willing to go to jail and risk the prime of his career (which he lost) to stand up on principle.”

            So was Hitler. Or maybe Ali just didn’t want to get shot.

            “That is admirable and heroic, period.”

            Courageous maybe (if you take him at face value), but “admirable” depends on the cause. Remember, Ali wasn’t a pacifist. He refused to serve in the US military, but he might have joined an Islamic holy war.

            Ali: “I’m not trying to dodge the draft. We are not supposed to take part in no wars unless declared by Allah or The Messenger. We don’t take part in Christian wars or wars of any unbelievers.”

            Still admirable and heroic?

            “Ali was never a racist (and neither was Cosell, by the way). Show me one quote where he said, “I hate White people.” You can’t.”

            Ali: “My enemy is the white people, not Viet Cong or Chinese or Japanese.”

            LOL! That’s close enough. And guys like Cosell and Dundee helped him professionally. Ali wasn’t above using people. He never spoke to Malcolm X again though after Malcolm left the NOI.

            ““(“sticking it to the man!!!” doesn’t count).” Obviously it hit a tender nerve with you, redneck.”

            Nope, I wasn’t even around then, Sparky. I’m the history guy, remember? Instead of striking any nerve, it’s more like the syrupy BS from dishonest modern leftist sources is eye roll inducing.

            “So I guess Malcolm, Ali, and the Panthers….accomplished their objective.”

            Opposing integration, creating a black nation, and overthrowing the US government? Nope. Big failure on all fronts.

            “(Ken Stabler was friends with Huey Newton BTW)”

            Hitler got along famously with Tojo. So what? And yeah, Joey, I’m sure Newton was great friends with Ken Stabler. Newton had lots of white friends, LOL. No chance at all that it was just the occasional clueless, useful idiot celebrity (*cough*Jane Fonda*cough*) wanting to be seen making an appearance with a fellow celebrity that it felt dangerous and exciting to be superficially associated with in hopes of elevating one’s status as often happened with mobsters in clubs, or to be seen helping a cause they didn’t fully understand. I’m sure Newton had lots of white buddies whom he’d go fishing with or sit around privately at home having deep talks with all night. Yes, sir. Oh wait…

            “This from a man who claimed “I side with Martin Luther King.” Yeah, right. You are SO full of bull. Just like that “poster of Warren Moon.” Big lies.”

            I haven’t told a single lie (obvious sarcasm like in my Huey Newton comment above doesn’t count). You’re the only liar here, Wright.

            “Ebony Magazine, Jet magazine, Essence Magazine, and the 1973 and ’74 editions of “Who’s Who in Football” have done the same thing. They are treated as proper nouns and adjectives.”

            Apart from black chauvinist magazines and a couple of alleged 1970s WWIF editions, virtually every other publication and institution puts “white” and “black” in lowercase. Capitalizing them indicates you’re placing too much importance on skin color as the defining aspect of one’s identity.

            “OF COURSE I can’t cite your offensively insensitive comment, redneck. It was deleted!”

            So you didn’t read that post? How do you know there was anything “offensive” in it, let alone “racist”? I already told you it was likely just deleted because it included various mundane legal details of ongoing cases. It wasn’t remotely “racist”. You certainly haven’t been able to quote any racist comments in my other posts either, all of which are still standing. Oh, little Joey, you’re constantly tripping yourself up in your own web of lies and stupidity.

          • Joseph Wright
            November 11, 2017

            “…Ali was a hero because he was willing to go to jail and risk the prime of his career (which he lost) to stand up on principle.”–Me

            “So was Hitler (a hero). Or maybe Ali just didn’t want to get shot.”–Rasputin

            So, readers, Razzie just compared Muhammad Ali to Hitler. One man (Ali) had nothing against Jewish people and murdered no one while the other (Hitler) hated them and had over 6 million of them killed. What an absolute idiotic racist Rasputin is. Yeah, redneck, you BETTER hide behind that lying troll alias name when you make an asinine statement like that.

            Fixated with Hitler, huh? Did Ali and Huey Newton ever start major world wars?

            “So because Jim Crow was abolished, there is virtually no racism in the U.S.”–Me

            “I didn’t say that, moron. I’ve documented racism by you and your heroes all over this page. I said only a liar or an ignoramus would claim the racial issues today are the same as they were over half a century ago.”–Rasputin

            All right, mental dwarf, let me put it so that your preschool intellect can understand: So because Jim Crow was abolished, there is virtually no racism done by Whites against other non-Whites in the U.S.? Quit dodging the question, redneck coward.

            “Thomas Jefferson wrote the Declaration of Independence and helped found America. The ideals he eloquently espoused changed the world for the better. He was a good president who doubled the size of the nation with the Louisiana Purchase (or the land that was stolen from Mexico by White invaders). He founded a prestigious university and did countless other things.”–Rasputin

            Countless other things like practice racism, hypocrisy, slave owning, and raping women. Never served time behind bars or apologized for any of them. Malcolm X served his time and made amends for his wrongdoings and his autobiography is required reading on many university and college campuses. Even as members of the Nation of Islam, Malcolm X and Ali were invited guest speakers at Harvard, Yale, USC, UCLA, UC Berkeley, Stanford, Temple, Penn, and Penn State Universities, and several others.

            The closest thing to serving time on this website is to be deleted. The intelligent thing to do when that happens is to own up to it and apologize. Which you have not done for your insensitive, offensive, racially charged and (thank you, Talk of Fame Sports Network) deleted statement.

            If you want to see a racist, Razzie, look in the mirror…or see which one of us has ever been deleted from this website. Spoiler Alert: It’s not me. LOL!!!

          • Rasputin
            November 12, 2017

            Me: “Are you a black nationalist, Joseph Wright?”

            Joseph Wright: *crickets*

            You dodged the question, coward. We’ve established you’re a bigot, but how rabid of a racial bigot are you? Are you a racial nationalist like your Black Panther and Nation of Islam heroes?

            It’s sad that you weren’t man enough to even address all the historical information on Huey Newton and other BP criminality I educated you with. You’re welcome.

            ““…Ali was a hero because he was willing to go to jail and risk the prime of his career (which he lost) to stand up on principle.”–Me
            “So was Hitler (a hero). Or maybe Ali just didn’t want to get shot.”–Rasputin”

            No, liar, that’s a BS parenthetical insertion. I said even Hitler was willing to go to jail for his cause, which was the lame basis for you calling Ali a “hero”. YOU’RE saying Hitler’s a hero if that’s all one has to do to be heroic in your book. Neither men were heroic in my view, which was clear given my line that you dishonestly cut out:

            Me: “Courageous maybe (if you take him at face value), but “admirable” depends on the cause.”

            “Did Ali and Huey Newton ever start major world wars?”

            No, neither of them was as bad as Hitler, LOL. That’s a very low bar though and doesn’t make them heroes, moron.

            “So because Jim Crow was abolished, there is virtually no racism done by Whites against other non-Whites in the U.S.?”

            Of course there’s some in a country of over 300 million, but the epicenter of bigotry in the 21st Century US isn’t in the white demographic. Anti-white bigotry is far more pervasive, especially at the institutional level (media/entertainment, academic, and even corporate) where it’s increasingly openly encouraged. Certainly racial discrimination as policy is pro-black, not anti-black.

            It’s telling that in the old days light-skinned blacks would sometimes try to pass themselves off as white for better opportunities. Now it’s reversed, with whites trying to pass themselves off as black or other minorities to land plush jobs (e.g. Rachel Dolezal, Elizabeth “Pocahontas” Warren).

            Even if one disagrees with that, it’s unreasonable and moronic to insist that the racial issues are the same today as they were over half a century ago. That’s just factually untrue.

            “Malcolm X served his time and made amends for his wrongdoings and his autobiography is required reading on many university and college campuses. Even as members of the Nation of Islam, Malcolm X and Ali were invited guest speakers at Harvard, Yale, USC, UCLA, UC Berkeley, Stanford, Temple, Penn, and Penn State Universities, and several others.”

            I asked for great accomplishments on the order of Jefferson writing the Declaration of Independence and doubling the size of the nation, you pathetic loser.

            When did Malcolm X serve time for his racial bigotry and separatist views, moron? Or for openly applauding and praying for the deaths of vast numbers of innocent people just because they happened to be white? Hateful views are legal in a free country (they aren’t even deleted on sites like this one, as your posts demonstrate, contrary to you lying about “deletion”). I was mostly blasting him for that, not his robbery career early on. What “amends” did he make for that? And what actions were so great beyond mere “amends” that they would vault him into “hero” status? Which Malcolm do you even admire, the backpedaling one of his final year who was murdered by his former NOI friends (whom you also admire) or the famous racial nationalist who’s romanticized by bigoted simpletons and America haters today?

            Malcolm X was an evil man. But he’s hardly the worst person glorified on college campuses, where Che Guevara shirts are still common (Che was a communist thug and mass murderer who helped destroy Cuba). Actual 1960s terrorists like communist Weather Underground scumbags Bill Ayers and Bernardine Dohrn, whose group waged open war against the United States through a bombing campaign that targeted US soldiers and others, killing people in the process, and who never repented, later became college professors themselves for years. Wouldn’t shock me if the lunatic traitor Chelsea Manning ends up as a college professor if he gets in before the university bubble pops (may be the next big one to go, unless you count Hollywood’s slow implosion).

            Hating America enhances your status on the modern campus, so black racial terrorists being honored there is absolutely no surprise (plus speakers are typically invited by some student group; and there was certainly a black power presence among students even back then). We’re talking about a university system that actively opposes mainstream conservatives or extremely accomplished moderates like Condoleezza Rice even showing up to give a speech (sometimes rioting when the Young Republicans make such invitations), but are happy to host and provide a platform for guys like former Iranian leader Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, who held a big cartoon contest mocking the Jewish Holocaust and took his turn leading Iran’s regular “Death to America! Death to Israel!” mass chants, and whose regime brutally suppresses freedom and sponsors international terrorism.

            Oh, and Jefferson wasn’t a “rapist”. Even if the Hemings story is true, and that has NOT been proven (contrary to false reports, the DNA test was inconclusive), the typical story passed down from the Hemings family is that it was a consensual romance and she returned his affections. The “rape” argument is in the technical sense based on her being a slave, and the word is used by hysterical ideological activists trying to exploit the issue to push an agenda with sensationalistic headlines. Stop getting your history from like-minded activists who are almost as ignorant as you are.

            “Which you have not done for your insensitive, offensive, racially charged and (thank you, Talk of Fame Sports Network) deleted statement.”

            I made no such statement, liar, so you must REALLY be thin-skinned to be offended by something I didn’t even say, LOL. In fact you can’t quote a single bigoted statement I’ve ever made.

            You’ve certainly made a lot of them though. So now answer the clear, straightforward question as to your views on black nationalism like the doctrine espoused by the NOI and Black Panthers. That way we can start to precisely pin down just how raging of a bigot you are, Joseph Wright.

          • Joseph Wright
            November 13, 2017

            What’s your definition of “Black Nationalist?” You White folks seem to change the meaning all the time. You of all people are the most guilty criminal when it comes to constantly moving the yardsticks (e.g, Ali’s “White people are my enemy” quote is “close enough” to “I hate White people” while Paul Zimmerman calling for a team to take a talented record-setting passer who is Black and “put him in the weight room and make him a running back” is not racist and bigoted. According to your redneck, racist ass that suggestion is “defensible”).

            You ignorantly compare Ali to Hitler. Muhammad Ali was friends with Howard Cosell, Billy Crystal, Barry Frank, and Bob Arum, among others who were Jewish. Adolf Hitler spearheaded the deaths of six million of them. Stupid, libelous, slanderous parallel. Of course, readers, this coward hides behind the troll “Rasputin” to spew his racists thoughts and lies. Cowardly skinhead.

            “Ali wasn’t above using people (associations with Cosell, Angelo Dundee). How did Ali “use” them? Always looking for (and failing to find) the worst in Black people then lump us all together, huh, bigot? So, did Jerry Jones use Michael Irvin, Emmitt Smith, Deion Sanders, and Charles Haley?

            White privilege is a ‘myth” Mr. White Man? Your stupid argument that Whites would make up the majority of the U.S. workplace because they are the majority population doesn’t fly. If that’s the case, how do you explain the athletic population of NFL? Or the NBA? Check out your girl Megyn Kelly on that rare occasion when a broken clock is right twice a day: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9QKUjBRCYMg.
            Jim Brown reflected on Jane Fonda’s travel to Vietnam and how she continued to have an uninterrupted, successful acting career: “If Jane was a Black actress, no way she pulls that off.” That is White privilege.

            As for the asinine comment “Or maybe Ali just didn’t want to get shot.” Who would want to get shot in a war they didn’t believe in. By contrast, George W. Bush served in a cush position during the Vietnam War, saw no gunfire, and STILL went AWOL. And STILL got an honorable discharge! The man you voted for as U.S. President, Trump, was not a conscientious objector and avoided the draft and Vietnam war altogether…Maybe Trump just didn’t want to get shot. They both enjoyed their White privilege there.

            Your lies and hypocrisy are the foundations of your life. You say I would work well with Jimmy the Greek, you talk about “Poor Jimmy the Greek” getting fired (then cite Reggie White in a clumsy, failed attempt to exonerate him), and then backpeddle and say you had no problem with the firing. Pitiful liar you are, skinhead.

            You say Rush Limbaugh shouldn’t have been fired for his racist comments about Donovan McNabb, then criticize ESPN for hiring him. Another lie.

            No, I never condoned Malcolm X’s glee over the 120 Whites who died in the plane crash. However, it’s not like HE killed them. Like Hitler murdered millions of people. Or like the Klan has killed hundreds of Blacks. Or like rogue cops have killed hundreds of Black people. You emphasize the Whites killed in this plane crash while you call Blacks who are murdered at the hands of Whites “drops in a bucket.” Also the murders of Medgar Evers and Dr. King are listed by you as tragedies “from a bygone era.” The plane crash was from the same era but you emphasize that–because they were White people. And you wonder why a group calls themselves Black Lives Matter. “Drops in a bucket” and “a bygone era.” Obviously, Black lives don’t matter to you. That makes you a typical White racist redneck, Razzie.

            Speaking of someone who felt Black lives didn’t matter…Richard Nixon (who was caught on tape using the n-word several times) was described by you thusly: “…the expert bipartisan consensus is that he was one of the most intelligent and knowledgeable presidents ever.”

            “Bipartisan consensus?” You mean the White racist redneck bigots in AND out of the South? LMFAO!!!

            “White people are my enemy.” That statement by Ali is nowhere near to close to showing he is a racist or bigot (“I don’t like his bigotry”–Rasputin). Ali said, “I don’t hate nobody and I ain’t lynched nobody. We Muslims don’t hate the White man. It’s like we don’t hate a tiger. But we know that a tiger’s nature is not compatible with people’s nature since they love to eat people. So we don’t want to live with tigers. It’s the same with the White man. The White race attacks Black people. They don’t ask what’s your religion, what’s your belief? They just start whupping heads.” That’s not racism. That’s common since fostered by survival instinct.

            “Malcolm X was an evil man.” Amazing. The man never killed anyone, serve his time in prison for robbery, come out completely changed, never performed a crime again, never even incited a riot. Thomas Jefferson was a racist, owned slaves , and raped Sally Hemings. “Consentual?” Is that how you White racists lie to yourselves to sooth your bigoted consciences (of which you all have none)? She was his slave, he was her master. What was she going to say? “No?” SMH. Jefferson was the evil one. The laws of the racist South excused his evil behavior.

            The White Men Can’t Jump joke really offended you, huh? You lied and said you weren’t offended, then went over the top and played the race card.

            Years ago on ESPN Primetime, Robin Roberts humorously commented on a highlight of Dan Marino. His momentum carried him out of bounds and he unsuccessfully tried to hop over a bench. “How many time do we have to say this? ‘White men can’t jump!’ You could clearly hear Tom Jackson AND Chris Berman hysterically laughing. Roberts was not disciplined.

            Magic Johnson in his 1992 autobiography: “White men can’t jump? (Larry Bird) was living proof.”

            My joke on Cliff Harris’ pitiful attempt to cover Lynn Swann has ripped your thin skin so thoroughly that you can’t let it go. So, are Roberts, and Magic racists, also? If they are not, then neither am I. I would sue you for libel but you’re using a fake name like the coward you are. You are nothing but a racist troll and you STILL got deleted for racist, offensive comments and you still lie and say you were never deleted.
            Readers, let me show you what a meltdown and lie looks like:
            “Are you freaking kidding me? I post thoughtful, fact-based replies to both of David O’Brien’s idiotic ad hominem posts above and MY posts get deleted?!?!”– The racist troll known as…Rasputin.
            LOL!!! LMFAO!!! ROTFLMFAO!!!! Hint: The replies were not thoughtful and HARDLY fact-based. Only offensive. Result: The redneck was deleted. LOL!!!

          • Rasputin
            November 14, 2017

            “What’s your definition of “Black Nationalist?” You White folks seem to change the meaning all the time.”

            What’s your definition? Do you subscribe to Nation of Islam doctrine, for example? If not, where do you disagree with them and why? And why does a precise definition matter when someone’s asking you if you’re a “black nationalist”, LOL? Shouldn’t that be an easy question to answer? Wouldn’t you expect a clear, straightforward answer if someone was asked if he’s a “white nationalist”?

            “Your stupid argument that Whites would make up the majority of the U.S. workplace because they are the majority population doesn’t fly.”

            LOL! Do you think most whites would have been unemployed if not for segregation, moron? How do you explain the number of jobs held vastly outnumbering the entire black population then? How could they be stealing those jobs from blacks? Math clearly isn’t your forte. And segregation ended over half a century ago to boot. “Privilege”, almost by definition, applies to rare benefits not enjoyed by most people as the default norm. “White privilege” is a stupid, bigoted phrase employed for political manipulation. If privilege is defined as one race enjoying institutional discrimination in its favor, then we’ve been living in an era of net black privilege for years anyway, not that I think going around talking about “black privilege” would be much better. People should be judged as individuals, not as members of a racial group.

            “If that’s the case, how do you explain the athletic population of NFL? Or the NBA?”

            LOL! 40 times are even less relevant to most areas of society than they should be to the NFL. Plus those are tiny job pools for a few elite athletes. I said MOST whites never benefited from segregation, not that none did. However, the willingness to hire so many blacks in those leagues certainly undermines baseless claims of general anti-black discrimination in society today. If anything you’re just supporting my larger point.

            “Jim Brown reflected on Jane Fonda’s travel to Vietnam and how she continued to have an uninterrupted, successful acting career: “If Jane was a Black actress, no way she pulls that off.” That is White privilege.”

            No, that’s leftist privilege. Big difference. And she did take a big hit, though she unfortunately continues to have a career, as did Ali after his draft refusal, btw (remind me, what color was he again?). A combination of black privilege and leftist privilege explains why Beyonce can get away with giving a black power salute at the Super Bowl halftime show. If Taylor Swift held up a fist and shouted “white power”, or even just sported a t-shirt saying “white people are awesome”, it would be quite a different reaction, LOL. It also explains why dimwitted, hateful nutjobs like Jemele Hill and Michael Wilbon are still employed by ESPN.

            “No, I never condoned Malcolm X’s glee over the 120 Whites who died in the plane crash. However, it’s not like HE killed them. Like Hitler murdered millions of people.”

            While I’m pleased that you haven’t “condoned” his glee, it’s also true that you haven’t expressed an ounce of disgust over it. In fact instead of condemning his remarks you just made a pitiful bid to mitigate them by pointing out that he wasn’t a mass murderer like Hitler. True. As I said earlier, Malcolm X wasn’t as bad as Hitler. That’s hardly where the “hero” bar should be set though, is it? You never did post any great accomplishments justifying “hero” status for him. Arguing that he wasn’t as bad as Hitler is weak sauce. I can just see you as a defense attorney now….”Your honor, my client may have committed armed robbery, strangled a cat, and raped a woman, but at least he’s NOT HITLER. Can’t we let this go?”

            “Also the murders of Medgar Evers and Dr. King are listed by you as tragedies “from a bygone era.” The plane crash was from the same era but you emphasize that–because they were White people.”

            No, because you’re specifically glorifying Malcolm X, moron. Try to keep up.

            “You emphasize the Whites killed in this plane crash while you call Blacks who are murdered at the hands of Whites “drops in a bucket.””

            Liar. I said the cases of whites AND blacks killed by cops, let alone under questionable circumstances, are a statistical drop in the bucket out of total interactions with police and total homicides for each race (in fact it’s a bigger statistical drop for whites, since cop shootings make up a higher percentage of total whites who are killed). It’s a long sentence, but do I need to post the whole thing here? You can read it for yourself since it’s still on the Kenny Easley page, undeleted, contrary to your lies. By your own logic, why do you feel it wasn’t deleted given your position that “racist” posts are always deleted (and apparently are the only ones deleted)? Talk about moving goalposts….

            “Or like rogue cops have killed hundreds of Black people.”

            Over what time period? Proof?

            “Or like the Klan has killed hundreds of Blacks.”

            A long time ago. The Klan hasn’t been a threat for years. Far more whites have been murdered by blacks than vice versa for the past several decades. I guess that only matters if one believes that All Lives Matter though.

            ““White people are my enemy.” That statement by Ali is nowhere near to close to showing he is a racist or bigot (“I don’t like his bigotry”–Rasputin).”

            LOL! Then the word “racist” has no meaning. It certainly doesn’t mean “one who disagrees with Joseph Wright”, which is how YOU’VE been using it. Heck, just putting “Joseph Wright” in the dictionary next to the word “racist” would come closer to the truth.

            “Ali said, “I don’t hate nobody and I ain’t lynched nobody. We Muslims don’t hate the White man. It’s like we don’t hate a tiger. But we know that a tiger’s nature is not compatible with people’s nature since they love to eat people. So we don’t want to live with tigers. It’s the same with the White man. The White race attacks Black people. They don’t ask what’s your religion, what’s your belief? They just start whupping heads.” That’s not racism. That’s common since fostered by survival instinct.”

            That’s even worse. He compared white people to animals and claimed they were INHERENTLY his enemy due to their “nature”, while revealing his support for keeping the races separate in that quote. Thanks for supporting my position by posting that. That’s the kind of thing I’m trying to find out if you agree with. BTW, Ali was probably really confused when he finally met some white Muslims and learned that Islam isn’t a race.

            “Thomas Jefferson was a racist, owned slaves , and raped Sally Hemings. “Consentual?” Is that how you White racists lie to yourselves to sooth your bigoted consciences (of which you all have none)?”

            You mean “White racists” like Hemings’ own black descendants who are the ones who told the story?

            “You say Rush Limbaugh shouldn’t have been fired for his racist comments about Donovan McNabb, then criticize ESPN for hiring him. Another lie.”

            Yes, you told another lie. I never criticized ESPN for hiring Rush, and his comments weren’t racist.

            The rest of your post is an utter meltdown by a panicking coward. Flustered, you jumbled a slew of complete lies about me and others (even Bush, lol) together into several meandering paragraphs, mixing in some blind insults. Anyone reading this can see that from the posts above, especially your various lies about what I’ve said and your projection (e.g. “moving the yardsticks”). Your desperate drivel merits no further response here as it’s just a lame diversion attempt from the pertinent, direct question about your racial views. This, however, will make a nice addition to the Joseph Wright Hall of Shame:

            “You White folks seem to change the meaning all the time.” – Joseph Wright.

            Awesome. Clearly Illustrates your racial hangups. By contrast you still never have found a single bigoted thing I’ve ever said.

          • Joseph Wright
            November 14, 2017

            Good to know I’m not a racist, given the pass (that’s not needed, BTW) you gave to Robin Roberts and Magic Johnson for their White Men Can’t Jump jokes. Dan Marino, Larry Bird, and Cliff Harris are White men who couldn’t jump. Robin, Magic, and I were just clowning around at the deficiency they shared. However, there is ONE major difference: Marino and Bird are Hall of Famers, Harris is NOT! Score another one for Wright over Razzie. Wright over Razzie. Hmmm. I guess I just dunked on you…LOL!!!

            “(Ali) compared White people to animals and claimed they were INHERENTLY his enemy due to their “nature”, while revealing his support for keeping the races separate in that quote.” One, he was talking about the inherent nature of tigers. Two, as long as White racists behave toward Blacks as they have been (behaving racistly, violently, discriminatinatory) why would any Black individual want to stay amongst people that are mistreating them? That’s not separatism, that’s common sense. And, Ali never thought or said Islam is a race, dumbass. He knew there were White Muslims across the world. There was never any confusion, redneck.

            “As I said earlier, Malcolm X wasn’t as bad as Hitler. That’s hardly where the “hero” bar should be set though, is it? You never did post any great accomplishments justifying “hero” status for him. Arguing that he wasn’t as bad as Hitler is weak sauce. I can just see you as a defense attorney now….’Your honor, my client may have committed armed robbery, strangled a cat, and raped a woman, but at least he’s NOT HITLER. Can’t we let this go?'” Malcolm X was incarcerated for robbery. Then you lump him in with Michael Vick (animal cruelty) and Thomas Jefferson (rapist). Within your meltdown, we see another instance of racial double-standards (translation–White privilege): Malcolm X and Vick served their time in prison for the crimes they committed (both came out to be model, law-abiding citizens), Jefferson didn’t. And why did he own slaves? Thought you said you didn’t believe in racial double-standards? Thanks for the assist, liar. Chess player my ass. LOL!!!

            “Thomas Jefferson was a racist, owned slaves , and raped Sally Hemings. “Consentual?” Is that how you White racists lie to yourselves to soothe your bigoted consciences (of which you all have none)?”–Me

            “You mean “White racists” like Hemings’ own black descendants who are the ones who told the story?”–Rasputin.

            Another deceitful, cowardly way to duck the fact that Jefferson was a racist, a slave owner, and raped Sally Hemings. I suspect that Hemings Black descendants were saying the “relationship” was “consentual” to stay in good standing and cash in on the Jefferson estate. THAT would be “using” someone. Speaking of which…

            Love the way you dodged the whole lie you made up about Ali “using” Howard Cosell and Angelo Dundee when I asked about Cowboy owner Jerry Jones “using” Michael Irvin, Emmitt Smith, Deion Sanders, and Charles Haley. You cowardly skinhead.

            You said “Poor Jimmy the Greek lost his NFL analyst job in 1988” and in another post you say you had no problem with his firing, then go back and try to defend him by using Raggie White’s wretched speech in Wisconsin as validation. SMH. More lies, huh, Razzie?

            “Rush Limbaugh even made it clear that such media concern was irrational and unnecessary since there were already other good black QBs…” No, Razzie, lying again. It was pointed out TO RUSH that his thoughts were irrational, unnecessary, and, yes, racist because the Black QB resistence was virtually a non-issue. McNabb was never hyped to the extreme, as you say. He was hardly held up as a revolutionary figure (Marlin Briscoe, James Harris, Joe Gilliam, Doug Williams, Warren Moon, and Randall Cunningham laid the groundwork that opened the floodgates).

            Limbaugh could have said he was overrated and left it at that. McNabb’s skin color should never have been made an issue by Rush.There have been loads of overrated White QBs throughtout NFL history (Johnny Manzel, Bob Griese, Jim McMahon, Jeff George, etc.) and no one has said anything about them. McNabb wasn’t overrated. If the Eagles of that era don’t have Donovan, they don’t win, let alone make the playoffs. It’s that simple.

            “The rest of your post is an utter meltdown by a panicking coward. Flustered, you jumbled a slew of complete lies about me and others (even Bush, lol)” George W. Bush had a cush position (White privilege) and STILL went AWOL while “serving” in the U.S. Military while Trump ducked the draft altogether (without any ramifications–White privilege) to avoid combat during the Vietnam war. Ali courageously took a stand and dealt with the consequences as a conscientious objector. Want to see a meltdown?:

            “Are you freaking kidding me? I post thoughtful, fact-based replies to both of David O’Brien’s idiotic ad hominem posts above and MY posts get deleted?!?!”–Rasputin. LOL!!! LMFAO!!! ROFLMAO!!! I LOVE IT!!!

            Everytime I whip your ass, you revert to the deversionary (and very unsuccessful) “Meltdown” garbage. You’re the only one losing it, not me. You got deleted for stupid stuff. I never have been. Why is that, redneck?

          • Rasputin
            November 14, 2017

            “Good to know I’m not a racist, given the pass (that’s not needed, BTW) you gave to Robin Roberts and Magic Johnson for their White Men Can’t Jump jokes.”

            I never gave such a pass, nor are you only guilty of a mildly racial joke, as we’ve established. You’re a serious bigot with all sorts of racial hangups. What needs to be established now is if you’re a full blown black nationalist like your Nation of Islam “heroes” you’ve been praising.

            Stop being such a coward and answer the straightforward question, Joseph Wright. What are you afraid of?

            ““(Ali) compared White people to animals and claimed they were INHERENTLY his enemy due to their “nature”, while revealing his support for keeping the races separate in that quote.” One, he was talking about the inherent nature of tigers.”

            And white people, moron. Try to keep up. He said white people are slaves to their inherent nature, which was why he wanted them kept separate from his own race.

            You still haven’t even said whether you agree with that or not, coward. At least be man enough to own up to your racial views.

            “Two, as long as White racists behave toward Blacks as they have been (behaving racistly, violently, discriminatinatory) why would any Black individual want to stay amongst people that are mistreating them?”

            Who? Racists who are mistreating black people or “white people”? Those are two different sets of people. Ali at the time, in accordance with half baked NOI doctrine, was all about race. People were condemned, praised, or treated by skin color in HIS book. HE was a racial bigot.

            “That’s not separatism, that’s common sense.”

            Saying you want the races kept separate is the definition of separatism, moron. Ali was David Duke with a different skin color. Period.

            “And, Ali never thought or said Islam is a race, dumbass.”

            He logically implied it with comments like, “We Muslims don’t hate the White man. It’s like we don’t hate a tiger….So we don’t want to live with tigers. It’s the same with the White man.”

            “He knew there were White Muslims across the world. There was never any confusion, redneck.”

            Ali was a generally ignorant man for much of his life. Do you think he realized that most Muslims were Arabs, and that there was a much stronger strain of anti-black sentiment in the Arab world than in white America at the time? I guarantee you a lot of these early NOI pukes didn’t know anything about that or they would have picked a different religion through which to manifest their own bigotry. To them Islam was basically a black religion. Since white Americans were trying to help stop the black slave trade still being pushed by Muslims in Africa as late as the 20th Century, the irony is thick. More recent decades have seen acts of ethnic cleansing by Arabs against blacks. There’s still a lot of hostility there.

            “Dan Marino, Larry Bird, and Cliff Harris are White men who couldn’t jump.”

            Harris had a 39 inch vertical, you bigoted moron. Even Bird could slam dunk it when he wanted to.

            “However, there is ONE major difference: Marino and Bird are Hall of Famers, Harris is NOT! Score another one for Wright over Razzie. Wright over Razzie. Hmmm. I guess I just dunked on you…LOL!!!”

            Not yet, but he is first decade 1970s FS and should have been in the HoF a long time ago. And unlike Marino (and Jack Tatum), Harris won championships. I just posterized your ass, LOL.

            “I suspect that Hemings Black descendants were saying the “relationship” was “consentual” to stay in good standing and cash in on the Jefferson estate.”

            One would think “rape” allegations would be a better foundation for a lawsuit than the tale of consensual romance they told, but regardless it wasn’t “white racists” who have been the source for that story. You saying otherwise is just yet more racial bigotry from you.

            “Love the way you dodged the whole lie you made up about Ali “using” Howard Cosell and Angelo Dundee when I asked about Cowboy owner Jerry Jones “using” Michael Irvin, Emmitt Smith, Deion Sanders, and Charles Haley.”

            I mercifully skipped over your idiotic comment. What point are you even trying to make here? I know you aren’t used to doing this, but try thinking it through before clarifying whatever you were trying to say.

            “You said “Poor Jimmy the Greek lost his NFL analyst job in 1988” and in another post you say you had no problem with his firing, then go back and try to defend him by using Raggie White’s wretched speech in Wisconsin as validation. SMH. More lies, huh, Razzie?”

            You haven’t named one thing a lied about, halfwit.

            “It was pointed out TO RUSH that his thoughts were irrational, unnecessary, and, yes, racist because the Black QB resistence was virtually a non-issue. McNabb was never hyped to the extreme, as you say. He was hardly held up as a revolutionary figure”

            I disagree. So did many others, including in the Slate article I cited by a liberal sportswriter (google Slate Rush Limbaugh was right Donovan McNabb isn’t a great quarterback, and the media do overrate him because he is black.).

            I remember the huge McNabb hype at the time. There was a lot of excitement among political/racial activists who were ostensibly sports journalists that with his run heavy style he was going to revolutionize the league and change the QB position to black across the board. This is the sort of thing that was passing for major “social justice” concern by the end of the 1990s, people trying to pretend that such issues are important on the same order as say fighting Jim Crow segregation in the past, because they wanted to feel as important as previous generations of crusaders.

            It was all idiotic, irrational garbage and Rush was probably right that it at least fueled McNabb’s undeniable overrating for much of his career. Liberal journalists had an emotional investment in him that they didn’t even have in other black QBs with more orthodox pocket passing styles.

            “Limbaugh could have said he was overrated and left it at that. McNabb’s skin color should never have been made an issue by Rush.”

            Limbaugh is a courageous guy who’s not afraid to make provocative points if true, and he was hired to provide social insights in addition to pure on the field commentary. He’s not going to shy away from a point like that for PC reasons. He’s also not the one who introduced race into McNabb discussions. Pro-McNabb journalists did at first, and later McNabb himself played the race card more than once.

            “There have been loads of overrated White QBs throughtout NFL history”

            Rush Limbaugh would agree with you. So what? There are often reasons a particular player is overrated. In McNabb’s case he thought media social concern played a role, and at least some reporters have admitted he was right.

            “(Johnny Manzel, Bob Griese, Jim McMahon, Jeff George, etc.) and no one has said anything about them.”

            LOL! People bashed those QBs all the time, halfwit. Remember Ryan Leaf, lol? I don’t know that any of those guys you list were praised in a sustained way or went to as many undeserved Pro Bowls as McNabb did though. Even a great QB like Tony Romo caught all sorts of unfair crap from the media for most of his career, and went to FEWER Pro Bowls than he deserved to.

            “McNabb wasn’t overrated. If the Eagles of that era don’t have Donovan, they don’t win, let alone make the playoffs. It’s that simple.”

            McNabb’s completion percentage was below the NFL average for his era despite him basically just running a dump off passing offense. Carson Wentz is probably already better than McNabb in his second year. I’d probably give Randall Cunningham the edge over McNabb too since he at least gave more offensive punch. McNabb was extremely overrated.

            With a better QB complementing that great 2000s defense they win a Super Bowl. It’s that simple.

            “George W. Bush had a cush position (White privilege) and STILL went AWOL while “serving” in the U.S.”

            That was debunked, Dan Rather, LOL.

            “Military while Trump ducked the draft altogether (without any ramifications–White privilege) to avoid combat during the Vietnam war.”

            You mean like Ali? Oh gee, he couldn’t box for three years (lots of white people were in jail for refusing to serve) but he got to run around free, the courts eventually dismissed the case against him for technicality reasons rather than merit (for a supposedly evil country we sure have a lot of due process) and he went on to have an extremely celebrated career and life (black privilege; leftist privilege).

            You never answered the question I posed in response to the laughable meltdown in your previous post, little Joey.

            Why is my “drop in the bucket” post you’ve been lying about still there? If it’s “racist” (it’s not; it’s the opposite of racist), and if racist posts all get deleted and are the only posts that get deleted (wrong again on both counts) then why hasn’t it been deleted? Explain that, you cowardly liar.

            But mostly answer if you’re a black nationalist. That’s the key question in this discussion.

            PS – You couldn’t dunk a donut, chump, LMFAO. I’ve kicked your ass all over this site.

          • Joseph Wright
            November 15, 2017

            One by One…

            “I never gave such a pass, nor are you only guilty of a mildly racial joke…”

            1) Only someone with thin skin would go over the top calling someone a racist after “a mildly racist joke.” Additionally, only a thin-skinned bigot would say “Malcolm X was an evil man,” and compare Muhammad Ali to Hitler (Dr. Martin Luther King was all willing to go to jail for his beliefs and convictions. Rasputin: “Yeah. So was Hitler!”) SMH.

            2) What is your definition of a “Black Nationalist?” A Black individual who wants the culture to build their own economy (banks, businesses, etc.) and communities (churches, schools, medical facilities, ethnic organizations) to become a vital part of the overall economy? Like the Semetic and Asian people have done. Are THEY called separatists? Or a Black individual who wants to discriminate, mistreat, and eliminate anyone who is non-Black? I’ve heard and read the definition both ways. It’s hardly a straightforward question.

            3) Ali was comparing the nature of tigers to White racists. Keep up, redneck. Not White people as a whole. “Ali loved anything walking. If they were decent, Ali loved all people.”–Jim Brown

            4) “Two, as long as White racists behave toward Blacks as they have been (behaving racistly, violently, discriminatinatory) why would any Black individual want to stay amongst people that are mistreating them?”–Me

            “Who? Racists who are mistreating black people or ‘white people’?”–Rasputin.

            What part of “as long as White racists behave toward Blacks as they have been (behaving racistly, violently, discriminatinatory)” don’t you understand, skin-headed redneck?

            5) “Saying you want the races kept separate is the definition of separatism, moron. Ali was David Duke with a different skin color. Period.” You’re fighting a losing cause, idiot. No person with common sense will ever buy into your lie that Ali was equivalent to Hitler or your hero David Duke (The man who personally thanked Trump for defending the White Nationalists and White Supremacists–“a lot of good people”– in Charlottesville). Self-preservation in the face of danger is not separatism, and self-defense in the face of physical and armed assault is not advocating violence. When Blacks move into White Neighborhoods in bunches, the Whites usually disappear. Even when the Blacks are not bringing any trouble. THAT is separation.

            6) “Ali was a generally ignorant man for much of his life.”–Rasputin
            He was a Baptist for the first 20 years of his life and an Orthodox Muslim for the last 42. He was in the Nation of Islam for 12 years. Generally (= more than half), much (= a large part). Given that “much” is a relative term (great advantage for any liar whose expert in moving the yardsticks). If, for the sake of an argument, being in the Nation of Islam is “ignorant,” 12 out of 74 years of life is hardly “generally,” and not many people would say 12 is “much” of 74. And I’M the one who sucks at math?

            7) “a much stronger strain of anti-black sentiment in the Arab world than in White America at the time?” That depends on one’s perspective. How do you, as a card-carrying White racist, measure that?

            8) “…but (Cliff Harris) is first decade 1970s FS and should have been in the HoF a long time ago. And unlike Marino (and Jack Tatum), Harris won championships. I just posterized your ass, LOL. ”

            Nope. Harris was carried to those by Duane Thomas, Roger Staubach, Bob Lilly, Harvey Martin and Randy White. Additionally, Marino was up against the ’84 49ers secondary, not the weak-ass Harris anchored crew. Bradshaw, Swann, and Stallworth ran wild threw Cliff Harris. Imaging what Marino and the Marks Bros. would have done had they met in a Super Bowl.

            9) “I suspect that Hemings Black descendants were saying the “relationship” was “consentual” to stay in good standing and cash in on the Jefferson estate.”

            One would think “rape” allegations would be a better foundation for a lawsuit than the tale of consensual romance they told…” This is even more stupid and asinine than even the Ali/ Hitler comparison or the “Malcolm X was an evil man comment. Several problems that you sweep under the rug as deceptive liars who call themselves “historians” do. A lawsuit is impossible because:
            A) Jefferson’s racist ass dropped dead centuries ago
            B) Something called “statute of limitations.”
            C) He was well within the law of the South to rape Hemings. Whites could do ANYTHING to Blacks physically without fear of incarceration. A White man raping a Black woman or girl was nothing according to Southern law.
            Epic fail on your part.

            10) You accused Ali of “using” Howard Cosell and Angelo Dundee to dismiss their relationships in a desperate attempt to confirm your lie that Ali was a racist and a bigot. So I posed the question about whether or not Jerry Jones “used” Michael Irvin, Emmitt Smith, Deion Sanders, and Charles Haley. You didn’t respond. I’m sure Jones would your attempt to back him up in his relationships with those players. Some fan you are.

            11) “… I don’t know that any of those guys (Manziel, Griese, McMahon, Jeff George) you list were praised in a sustained way or went to as many undeserved Pro Bowls as McNabb did though.” Manziel was over-hyped, drafted in the first round, and was a flop in the NFL. Griese went to many undeserved Pro Bowls, Is inaccurately credited with the perfect season of ’72, and was given Ken Stabler’s spot in the HOF in ’90. McMahon was drafted in the first round and was all up in our faces from ’85-’88, all the while being called great, when he was in fact being spoonfed victories and an impressive record by Walter Payton and the Bears’ Defense. Jeff George was the first pick in the draft and had a generally disappointing career. McNabb was hardly overrated. He was one of the best QBs of his era. Limbaugh is a racist gas bag.

            12) And, of course, you’ve been deleted from this site and I’ve never been. See ya, redneck.

          • Rasputin
            November 16, 2017

            “What is your definition of a “Black Nationalist?” A Black individual who wants the culture to build their own economy (banks, businesses, etc.) and communities (churches, schools, medical facilities, ethnic organizations) to become a vital part of the overall economy? Like the Semetic and Asian people have done. Are THEY called separatists? Or a Black individual who wants to discriminate, mistreat, and eliminate anyone who is non-Black? I’ve heard and read the definition both ways.”

            How do you build your “own” stuff like that WITHOUT racially discriminating? What would you call white people who advocated that whites build “their own” banks, businesses, communities, churches, schools, hospitals, and “ETHNIC ORGANIZATIONS”?

            It’s one thing for a neighborhood to do that to try to lift itself up, even if that neighborhood happens to be mostly one skin color, but to make it about race instead of geography, complete with “ethnic” (actually racial) organizations is something else. It sounds like you’re saying that yes, you’re a black nationalist.

            Plus you’re dodging the worst elements addressed. My very straightforward question asked you specifically if you disagreed with any aspects of Nation of Islam/Ali/Malcolm X doctrine. They explicitly opposed racial intermarriage, promoted racial separatism, saw white people as inhuman “devils” who were inherently the enemy of dark skinned people, and viewed Jews as “Satanic”. The NOI still embraces those beliefs. Do you? If not, which ones do you disagree with and why?

            Why is it taking you several posts to even answer this straightforward question, Joseph Wright? Why is it so difficult for you?

            “Only someone with thin skin would go over the top calling someone a racist after “a mildly racist joke.” ”

            Not what I did of course, but only someone REALLY thin skinned would go over the top calling someone “racist”, “redneck”, and a “skinhead” who didn’t make ANY racially bigoted comments, LOL.

            “Additionally, only a thin-skinned bigot would say “Malcolm X was an evil man,””

            Or someone who quoted him taking pleasure in the mass deaths of innocent people just because they were white. Apparently you don’t see that as evil. Got it.

            “and compare Muhammad Ali to Hitler (Dr. Martin Luther King was all willing to go to jail for his beliefs and convictions. Rasputin: “Yeah. So was Hitler!”) SMH.”

            Only as an analogy to illustrate the stupidity of you claiming that being jailed automatically makes one a hero regardless of the cause he’s being jailed for, moron. And that was in response to you praising Ali, not King, you sleazy weasel. I’m the one who praised MLK by pointing out actual positive contributions he made. Your hero Malcolm X called him a “chump” and worse. “X” opposed the civil rights movement as a waste of time and specifically opposed integration.

            “Ali was comparing the nature of tigers to White racists. Keep up, redneck. Not White people as a whole. “”

            Wrong, moron. From your own quote:

            Ali: “We Muslims don’t hate the White man. It’s like we don’t hate a tiger. But we know that a tiger’s nature is not compatible with people’s nature since they love to eat people. So we don’t want to live with tigers. It’s the same with the White man. The White race attacks Black people. They don’t ask what’s your religion, what’s your belief? They just start whupping heads.”

            He’s talking about “the White race”, not just “racists”. He’s saying being racist toward blacks is inherent in the white race’s “nature”, so he doesn’t think black people should live among whites. HE’S expressing his own racial bigotry.

            This is all standard NOI doctrine. Nothing surprising about Ali saying it back when he was an NOI member. Why are you trying to spin and defend black separatist sentiment? Do you share it?

            ““Two, as long as White racists behave toward Blacks as they have been (behaving racistly, violently, discriminatinatory) why would any Black individual want to stay amongst people that are mistreating them?”–Me
            “Who? Racists who are mistreating black people or ‘white people’?”–Rasputin.
            What part of “as long as White racists behave toward Blacks as they have been (behaving racistly, violently, discriminatinatory)” don’t you understand, skin-headed redneck?”

            What part of me trying to educate you by pointing out the difference between “racists” and “white” people (or any skin color) in general do you not understand, you Nation of Islam supporting, bigoted halfwit?

            ““Saying you want the races kept separate is the definition of separatism, moron. Ali was David Duke with a different skin color. Period.” You’re fighting a losing cause, idiot. No person with common sense will ever buy into your lie that Ali was equivalent to Hitler or your hero David Duke (The man who personally thanked Trump for defending the White Nationalists and White Supremacists–“a lot of good people”– in Charlottesville).”

            Any honest person who looks at NOI and Black Panther doctrine supporting racial separatism would equate them with Duke, you lying scumbag. And I never equated Ali with Hitler, moron. I showed how empty your argument was since it could be applied to lots of other villains, even Hitler. Do you really lack the mental acuity to follow our respective arguments here?

            LOL! You really want to try to play the standard liberal BS guilt by association argument when you’re explicitly supporting NOI and Black Panther pukes? Trump has done nothing but condemn white nationalists. He said that not everyone at that rally was a white nationalist, which is true. Even if you disagree with him on that, he’d simply be wrong about who was there, not defending white nationalism.

            Meanwhile Islamist terrorist sympathizers have actually appeared with Hillary Clinton at rallies, like Omar Mateen, the father of the Orlando night club mass killer. That father was described by CBS as having “well-known anti-American views” and being “an ideological supporter of the Afghan Taliban”. He even hosts a California-based satellite tv show in Pushto targeted to Afghan immigrants promoting the Taliban and attacking the US, in effect trying to radicalize them. His own son has murdered a lot more people than the modern KKK has. And of course vast numbers of other unsavory people have endorsed Clinton and other Democrats over the years, including black nationalists and Hispanic La Raza bigots (La Raza literally means “the race”), viewing them as the best vehicle to advance their own racial/ethnic causes (Republicans preferring to treat people as individuals instead of playing racial identity politics, and favoring assimilation into a color blind society). I’ve heard black nationalists describe certain white liberals as “friendly devils” over the years (and with less flattering language). Heck, even the California-based KKK chapter endorsed Hillary Clinton last year, showing how dicey guilt by association charges can be. You lose on that front too.

            “When Blacks move into White Neighborhoods in bunches, the Whites usually disappear. Even when the Blacks are not bringing any trouble. THAT is separation.”

            More like when whites are already leaving property values lower (supply and demand), letting poorer, often black people come in. Actually the most obsessed over trend now is the opposite: white people coming into predominately black neighborhoods and black people opposing it, calling it “gentrification”. You were saying something about “separation”?

            “6) “Ali was a generally ignorant man for much of his life.”–Rasputin
            He was a Baptist for the first 20 years of his life and an Orthodox Muslim for the last 42. He was in the Nation of Islam for 12 years. Generally (= more than half), much (= a large part). Given that “much” is a relative term (great advantage for any liar whose expert in moving the yardsticks). If, for the sake of an argument, being in the Nation of Islam is “ignorant,” 12 out of 74 years of life is hardly “generally,” and not many people would say 12 is “much” of 74. And I’M the one who sucks at math?”

            LOL! He was ignorant in the time leading up to him joining the NOI too (it’s not like he suddenly became ignorant). That’s 32 years of his life until he left the NOI (almost half), certainly “much”. By “generally” I was referring to the scope of his ignorance, not a time span, moron. Plus I don’t think he was ever a rocket scientist even in the second half of his life, when he seems to have abandoned his earlier racial bigotry and become somewhat smarter, apparent brain damage aside.

            “And I’M the one who sucks at math?”

            Yes, among many other things.

            ““a much stronger strain of anti-black sentiment in the Arab world than in White America at the time?” That depends on one’s perspective. How do you, as a card-carrying White racist, measure that?”

            I’m not a racist, liar, and I already told you I measure that by the Muslim African SLAVE trade still thriving well into the 20th Century (stopped by Western pressure; those “white” “tigers” you hate so much), and various bouts of Arab ethnic cleansing of blacks into more recent history. Rabid anti-black sentiment is still widespread in the Arab world, seen in examples ranging from disgusting depictions of Condoleezza Rice in political cartoons to Arab nationalists ethnically cleansing blacks from Darfur to pervasive racial epithets I won’t repeat here that are thrown at black immigrants in predominately Arab countries. In 2010 a star black soccer player who goes by Shikabala resigned from the Egyptian national team because racial taunts against him during games got so bad.

            “Harris was carried to those by Duane Thomas, Roger Staubach, Bob Lilly, Harvey Martin and Randy White.”

            Not according to pass defense stats or the accolades you hypocritically embrace when discussing other players. Those Cowboys teams were dominant across the board. They wouldn’t have been as great if they had a liability anywhere.

            “Bradshaw, Swann, and Stallworth ran wild threw Cliff Harris”

            Not as wild as teams (even Pittsburgh and Stallworth, LOL!) ran through Tatum’s secondary, as I extensively proved with stats (aka facts) on the Lee Roy Jordan page.

            “Several problems that you sweep under the rug as deceptive liars who call themselves “historians” do. A lawsuit is impossible because:
            A) Jefferson’s racist ass dropped dead centuries ago
            B) Something called “statute of limitations.”
            C) He was well within the law of the South to rape Hemings.”

            I was responding to YOUR dumb “cash in on the Jefferson estate” comment, not saying they actually had a valid basis for any such claim.

            Regardless of whether you feel that Heming’s black descendants are lying about the consensual romance, my point was that YOU were lying when you blamed the story on “white racists”. That was another spectacular faceplant on your part.

            “You accused Ali of “using” Howard Cosell and Angelo Dundee to dismiss their relationships in a desperate attempt to confirm your lie that Ali was a racist and a bigot. So I posed the question about whether or not Jerry Jones “used” Michael Irvin, Emmitt Smith, Deion Sanders, and Charles Haley.”

            Of course they use each other, moron. That’s what professional relationships are. I think Jones and his players also have sincere friendships to a much stronger degree than Ali did with white people during his NOI phase (judging by his own comments), but that’s beside the point. I wasn’t condemning the act of professionally “using” someone. I was explaining to you why your dumb argument that Ali had a couple of white “friends” (more like coworkers) doesn’t mean he didn’t hold the racial nationalist views he said he did. Those were professional relationships by which he had gained financially. At best he was talking out both sides of his mouth and endorsing racially bigoted views.

            “McNabb was hardly overrated. He was one of the best QBs of his era.”

            His completion percentage was below the NFL average. He failed to win a Super Bowl in the parity era despite having a great defense. His passer rating was barely above the NFL average. He was too dumb to understand the basics of OT rules (costing his team at least one potential win and embarrassing himself in the press conference afterwards), and his lack of physical fitness cost his team in the clutch in the Super Bowl. Yet he was sent to 6 Pro Bowls and slathered with all sorts of hype through most of his career. McNabb is one of the most overrated QBs ever.

            “Manziel was over-hyped, drafted in the first round, and was a flop in the NFL.”

            A lot of people predicted he’d be a flop in the NFL, moron (why my Cowboys passed on him despite needing a QB, rightly taking Zack Martin instead as I was hoping they’d do), despite him posting great passing stats in college and being the only man to win the Heisman as a Sophomore. They even suggested he switch to WR before he ever played a down in the NFL, and the Browns’ (the Browns, LOL!) drafting him late in the first round was considered a risky gamble. He was given a very short leash (shorter than Randall Cunningham’s) and was quickly out of the league more for off the field behavior than on the field performance. You have no point. In fact the Manziel example supports some of my arguments, but not any of yours.

            “Griese went to many undeserved Pro Bowls, Is inaccurately credited with the perfect season of ’72, and was given Ken Stabler’s spot in the HOF in ’90.”

            Griese won 2 Super Bowls and led the league in completion percentage and passer rating in different seasons. He was more deserving of the Hall of Fame than Stabler was, and certainly than McNabb is, LOL!

            “McMahon was drafted in the first round and was all up in our faces from ’85-’88, all the while being called great, when he was in fact being spoonfed victories and an impressive record by Walter Payton and the Bears’ Defense.”

            I don’t know many people who considered McMahon to be a “great” QB. He made 1 Pro Bowl. He received coverage because of his punkish, “in your face” personality, a personality that also derailed his stint at Chicago, and because he at least managed to win a Super Bowl with his great defense (unlike McNabb). Plus McMahon won the SB in the Great Team Era, when every Super Bowl champion had to be at least good on both sides of the ball (unlike the Parity Era, where even championship teams are typically only really good on one side if that).

            “Jeff George was the first pick in the draft and had a generally disappointing career.”

            And is commonly described as such. George has zero Pro Bowls, and you have zero point.

            “Limbaugh is a racist gas bag.”

            No, but Joseph Wright is a racist gasbag.

            You completely dodged my question, coward. How come my “drop in the bucket” post you’ve been crying about is still there? How come it hasn’t been deleted? By your own insipid logic doesn’t that mean it’s not “racist” or “offensive”? If not why not?

            You’ve been buried under your own lies, you bigoted moron.

          • Joseph Wright
            November 22, 2017

            “How do you build your “own” stuff like that WITHOUT racially discriminating? What would you call white people who advocated that whites build “their own” banks, businesses, communities, churches, schools, hospitals, and ‘ETHNIC ORGANIZATIONS’?”–Rasputin

            The Jews, Italians, Irish, Latinos, and Asians do it constantly and I don’t see you complaining about them. How can it be ethnically/racially discriminating when others outside of that culture aren’t volunteering their time and effort? These are not racist/discriminatory concepts. It is always interesting to see how White racists like you always talk about “reverse racism,” and “reverse discrimination” whenever Blacks and other non-Whites create businesses and organizations to uplift their cultures and communities. It’s not like we have the power to build restricted clubs or organizations that say “No Whites Allowed.” It doesn’t happen, redneck.

            As for the Panthers breaking Shakur out of prison…Are you serious? Do you also believe in the Tooth Fairy, The Easter Bunny, and Santa Claus? LOL! A bunch of Blacks ambush a prison–not a jail (just a little more believable, but not much)–with dynamite to help someone break out? That’s imagination working overtime. There would be Black carnage everywhere. Not from the “dynamite” but from the prison security gunning them down before they got within even 50 yards of the facility. Carnage that you would, no doubt, racistly call “drops in a bucket.” Her escape was obviously an inside job and the prison was covering for itself with that documented lie.

            You go on and on about Malcolm X gloating about the 120 White people who died in the plane crash (no decent person would condone that). At the same time, However, you call the assassinations/murders of Dr. King, Medgar Evers, Emmitt Till, and, I suppose, the four little Black girls bombed in the Birmingham, AL church cruelties “from a bygone era.” The problem with your racist analogies are:

            1) All happened before President Lyndon Johnson signed the 1964 Civil Rights Act
            2) The Black deaths were acts of murder
            3) The White deaths were the aftermath of an accident

            So, Razzie, the Black deaths (murders) were “from a bygone era,” however, the White deaths (collective fatal accident) really cling to your heart. And you lied and said, “I don’t believe in racial double-standards.” You big, racist liar.

            Speaking of the Civil Rights Act…After he signed it into law, President Johnson told a close advisor in private, “We (the Democratic Party) just lost the South for 40 years.” Well, 52 years and still counting the South has moved away from the Democratic Party after having been embraced by the Republicans. Unfortunately, the GOP (who was once the liberal party) embraced the South’s votes AND racism. Of course, as we know, the South was moving away from the Dems when FDR started endorsing and implementing laws and programs as an ally for Blacks (Roosevelt was a “New Type” of Democrat), then came President John Kennedy (who the city of Dallas let get shot–way to go, Big D!), and then Johnson (a Southern Texan) followed through with Kennedy’s plans. So the rednecks left the party to be Republicans. Had the GOP told the rednecks to leave their racism at the door, the rednecks would have had nowhere to go, politically, and we would have had the Tea Party much sooner.

            So now you move the yardsticks again with Ali was ignorant for the first 32 years of his life? I thought you were speaking of his 12 years in the Nation of Islam. So NOW you’re saying the first 20 years of his life as a Baptist, too. This all in a feeble effort to validate the ignorant statement, “Ali was ignorant for much of his life.” Given that he lived to be 74, I had to point out to you that 12 is not “much” of 74. So he was “ignorant” for being a NOI Muslim AND a Baptist! I know–as well as all of the readers–you are a racist bigot, Razzie, but a xenophobe, too? What’s ignorant about being a Baptist? Was Dr. King “ignorant?” He was a Baptist minister, you know.

            Malcolm X was not an evil man. He dropped his NOI philosophy after his trip to Mecca (obviously, the Arabian Whites treated him better than the U.S. Whites did) . He became an orthodox Muslim but you conveniently discount that. Dr. King preached from the “turn the other cheek” view while X preached from the “if they hit you, hit them back” view. They both wanted and worked for the same thing–equal rights for Blacks in America. Their view on how to achieve this goal were different. Initially, King was viewed as a radical trouble-maker. The Bus Boycott was actually a separatist act, exactly in line with how the NOI would have handled that situation. Was that racist, redneck? When Malcolm X emerged, White folks had to make a decision and decided that King was the lesser of two evils (neither man was evil).

            Cookie Gilchrist was more in the Malcolm X mode. You would have ripped him constantly. Later, skinhead. I’m sure your parents are celebrating today. That “great day” of Dallas negligence (was it REALLY “negligence?”; I have read and heard many stories of Southern rednecks shooting their guns in the air, wild drinking, and cheers of “We finally got him,” etc.) November 22, 1963.

          • Rasputin
            November 22, 2017

            Me: “Are you black nationalist, Joseph Wright”?

            Joseph Wright: *crickets* (even after several replies)

            You again dodged my helpfully specific question about whether you disagree with any aspects of Nation of Islam doctrine, and if so why, coward. I’m not going to let you off the hook after your dumbass praise for black nationalists and the NOI in particular.

            “The Jews, Italians, Irish, Latinos, and Asians do it constantly and I don’t see you complaining about them.”

            Actually I do, including on this thread when I condemned “La Raza bigots”. I’m not a fan of “Irish” or “Italian” activities either, though I’ll point out that there’s a difference between actual nations complete with their own languages (in most cases) and organizing advocacy and pride in a SKIN COLOR. There aren’t “White American” groups, at least not any with wide support that avoid near universal condemnation in society. There’s also a difference between a yearly parade, like the Saint Patrick’s Day parade (actually a Christian holiday) or an Italian American parade, and full time ethnic/racial advocacy groups, entertainment channels, magazines, active racial discrimination, etc.. Holding some annual parade wouldn’t be a big deal by itself if that’s all black activists did.

            “How can it be ethnically/racially discriminating when others outside of that culture aren’t volunteering their time and effort?”

            You mean the “black culture”? There are lots of whites and others who volunteer in predominately black neighborhoods, especially through church efforts, but even if your premise wasn’t wrong that wouldn’t excuse making it all racial when it doesn’t need to be. It should be geographical.

            “It is always interesting to see how White racists like you always talk about “reverse racism,” and “reverse discrimination” whenever Blacks and other non-Whites create businesses and organizations to uplift their cultures and communities.”

            I never say “reverse racism”, you lying halfwit. I oppose racial double standards. Racism is racism, whether it’s exhibited by the KKK or Joseph Wright. We’ve also established that I’m not a racist, since you failed to provide a single example of me saying anything racially bigoted. By contrast I’ve documented your racism all over this page, bigot.

            “It’s not like we have the power to build restricted clubs or organizations that say “No Whites Allowed.” It doesn’t happen, redneck.”

            You mean like the Black Panthers, Nation of Islam, Miss Black America, BlackPeopleMeet (dating site), the United Negro College Fund, and the Congressional Black Caucus just to name a few, LOL? You really are a faceplanting buffoon, Joseph Wright. That’s without even getting into things merely encouraging black chauvinism, like the various “Black” magazines you mentioned reading earlier, “Black History Month” (a cheerleading session, not something needed since blacks are covered in general history), the Black Entertainment Channel, etc.. Imagine the outcry if white versions of any of these things were proposed.

            “As for the Panthers breaking Shakur out of prison…Are you serious? Do you also believe in the Tooth Fairy, The Easter Bunny, and Santa Claus? LOL!…. Her escape was obviously an inside job and the prison was covering for itself with that documented lie.”

            Your half baked conspiracy theory aside, If the Black Panthers had inside help that wouldn’t exonerate them, you idiot, so once again you have no point.

            “You go on and on about Malcolm X gloating about the 120 White people who died in the plane crash (no decent person would condone that).”

            Are you admitting Malcolm X wasn’t a decent person?

            “At the same time, However, you call the assassinations/murders of Dr. King, Medgar Evers, Emmitt Till, and, I suppose, the four little Black girls bombed in the Birmingham, AL church cruelties “from a bygone era.”….So, Razzie, the Black deaths (murders) were “from a bygone era,” however, the White deaths (collective fatal accident) really cling to your heart.”

            No, moron. Malcom X’s career is from a bygone era too. I’m only talking about Malcom X because you and Kaepernick were praising him. You don’t see me praising the murderers of Till or the others you raised do you? And no, you straw man spouting halfwit, I’m not saying Malcolm X was as bad as those murderers (or Hitler, LOL!). I’m saying he was a piece of garbage during the period for which he’s ignorantly romanticized today, and that he doesn’t merit celebration as a hero.

            “President John Kennedy (who the city of Dallas let get shot–way to go, Big D!),”

            You mean the Secret Service who was in charge of his security, LOL?

            “I’m sure your parents are celebrating today. That “great day” of Dallas negligence (was it REALLY “negligence?” I have read and heard many stories of Southern rednecks shooting their guns in the air, wild drinking, and cheers of “We finally got him,” etc.) November 22, 1963.”

            Sure you have, bigot. Sure you have. By “we” are you referring to communist “rednecks”, given that JFK was murdered by extreme left winger Lee Harvey Oswald over JFK’s staunch anti-communist stance, especially against Cuba’s Fidel Castro? Colin Kaepernick and the Black Panthers have a lot in common with Lee Harvey Oswald. I even quoted earlier where your hero Malcolm X REALLY DID take delight in JFK’s assassination, saying: “Chickens coming home to roost never did make me sad; they’ve always made me glad.”

            Once again Joseph Wright projects his own sins onto other, innocent people. Oh, and nice touch disrespecting JFK by hinting at moronic conspiracy theories on the day he was killed, deflecting blame from the actual killer. You’re quite the empty barrel.

            “Malcolm X was not an evil man. He dropped his NOI philosophy after his trip to Mecca”

            He was evil during the much longer period of his life when he was celebrating the mass deaths of people just because the victims were white, praying for more white people to die, opposing racial integration and intermarriage, and calling MLK a “chump”.

            “(obviously, the Arabian Whites treated him better than the U.S. Whites did) .”

            That’s not obvious at all. Aside from all the facts I posted and you ignored on rabid anti-black bigotry even TODAY throughout the Arab world, how long did he choose to live in the Muslim world, LOL? People vote most honestly with their feet….

            “He became an orthodox Muslim but you conveniently discount that.”

            Why do you keep lying about that? I’m the one who brought up his conversion to more mainstream Islam. Do you have some kind of victim complex on religion as well as race that makes you delusional?

            “Dr. King preached from the “turn the other cheek” view while X preached from the “if they hit you, hit them back” view. They both wanted and worked for the same thing–equal rights for Blacks in America.”

            Hogwash. Malcolm X OPPOSED INTEGRATION, you desperate bigot. From a 1964 US News and World Report interview:

            “Q Malcolm X, why do you oppose integration?

            A It won’t work. It doesn’t solve the problem. Do you know what integration really means? It means intermarriage. That’s the real point behind it. You can’t have it without intermarriage. And that would result in disintegration of both races. The Negro is better off by himself, so he can develop his character and his culture in accord with his own nature.”

            He even opposed racial intermarriage, you lying POS. King didn’t. I don’t. Do you?

            “The Bus Boycott was actually a separatist act, exactly in line with how the NOI would have handled that situation.”

            No, it was in opposition to a racially discriminatory policy forcing blacks to sit at the back. There’s nothing “separatist” about protesting that. Malcolm X generally mocked things like protests and sit ins. Here’s what he said about the big March on Washington:

            Malcolm X: “Not long ago, the black man in America was fed a dose of another form of the weakening, lulling and deluding effects of so-called “integration.” It was that “Farce in Washington,” I call it.”

            He mostly seemed upset because the black protest leaders had let whites participate. He sneeringly derided the event as “salt and pepper” and a “picnic” that lacked revolutionary punch.

            “When Malcolm X emerged, White folks had to make a decision and decided that King was the lesser of two evils (neither man was evil).”

            Wrong. If “White folks” were as evil as you feel they are, they could have simply killed both of them and slaughtered their supporters. Malcolm X had zero positive impact on race relations. In fact his legacy is still poisoning them. And praying for random people to die because of their skin color is evil.

            “So now you move the yardsticks again with Ali was ignorant for the first 32 years of his life?…. I know–as well as all of the readers–you are a racist bigot, Razzie, but a xenophobe, too? What’s ignorant about being a Baptist? Was Dr. King “ignorant?” He was a Baptist minister, you know.”

            I didn’t say Baptists are ignorant, moron, I said ALI was for much of his life. If he hadn’t been he wouldn’t have said or did many of the things he said or did. He might not have joined the NOI in the first place or falsely assumed Islam was a black religion. He might not have needed that conversion away from hard core racial nationalism later in life once he learned more about the world. And I also said he wasn’t exactly a rocket scientist in the second half of his life either, just less ignorant.

            BTW, true racial bigot, you might want to look up the word “xenophobe” because from your usage it’s unclear that you even know what it means, LOL.

            “Cookie Gilchrist was more in the Malcolm X mode. You would have ripped him constantly.”

            Maybe, maybe not. If he’s opposing racial discrimination I’d support him. If he’s exhibiting racial prejudice like Malcolm X did then I’d bash him as I do bigots like you.

            The ignorance you regurgitate below calls for an expansive history lesson. Because I’m a nice guy who knows more history than anyone you’ve ever met or read, and I know the government school system has failed you, I’ll give you one.

            “Speaking of the Civil Rights Act…After he signed it into law, President Johnson told a close advisor in private, “We (the Democratic Party) just lost the South for 40 years.” Well, 52 years and still counting the South has moved away from the Democratic Party after having been embraced by the Republicans. Unfortunately, the GOP (who was once the liberal party) embraced the South’s votes AND racism.”

            You’ve been brainwashed into believing Democrat myth as history. Republicans were always the more conservative party, never the more liberal party, at least once the parties adopted positions pertinent to those modern ideological descriptors in the late 19th Century. “Liberal” doesn’t mean “not racist”; then and now liberals were often racial bigots. Southern segregationist Democrats were economic populists who supported FDR’s New Deal, LBJ’s Great Society, and voted with Northern Democrats on every issue including taxes, welfare, etc., with the exception of race and (to some extent) labor law. Woodrow Wilson was the first “new kind of Democrat”, the first modern liberal president and a “progressive” icon. He was also a raging bigot who resegregated a federal government that Republicans had previously desegregated. By contrast conservative Republicans opposed the expansions of government power under Wilson, FDR, and LBJ. Conservative Republicans also always opposed racial segregation (the Gingrich Republicans passed what many consider to be the last true civil rights act in the 1990s, opening up mixed race adoption). President Coolidge’s 1920s speeches read like a modern Tea Party activist’s. He both crusades against lynching and extols the virtue of the free market and limited government. Like most Republicans over the decades, he was an assimilationist whose views were very much at odds with both the bigoted segregationist Democrats of the time and bigoted “multicultural” Democrats of today (people who want to freeze different race-based cultures in place permanently and play groups against each other through identity politics tactics). Even the Republican platform during the era of the relatively liberal Teddy Roosevelt condemned the Democrats as socialists. There was no “party switch” of ideologies.

            Republican strength in the South was always INVERSELY proportional to the importance of race as an issue. Since you suck at math, that means Republicans held more power in the South the less important race was. If you think about it even someone with your limited knowledge base will realize that’s true. Republicans only took control of the South after race had faded away as a major issue. Even then it took time. Contrary to LBJ’s claim (as Senate majority leader he had filibustered Republican Civil Rights bills for years and watered down the Civil Rights Act of 1957, signed by Ike), the South had started drifting away from the Democrats decades earlier over non racial issues like national defense (Democrats being soft on communism), fiscal policy, and social issues (e.g. religious references in the public sphere). Eisenhower won about half the South, and Hoover had won Texas in 1928 (though it and the rest of the South went solidly for FDR and Truman in the next few elections, contrary to your claim). But it was a gradual, organic process. Even after the 1964 CRA (which a higher percentage of congressional Republicans voted for than Democrats), the South voted either Dixiecrat or Democrat in 1968 (not Republican), Democrat in 1976, and about half Democrat in 1992 and 1996. The first close presidential election where Republicans swept the South wasn’t until 2000. Republicans didn’t (slightly) pass Democrats in Southern US Congressional seats until the 1990s, and didn’t gain pretty firm control of the South at all levels until the 2000s, roughly AFTER LBJ’s “40 year” window closed. So he was wrong.

            While anti-black sentiment was still important in the 1960s, even then it had faded around the country (including the South) to the point where something like the 1964 CRA and subsequent integration was possible (for example lynching had ended as a yearly phenomenon by the 1950s). It faded even faster afterwards, especially in the South. New generations of Southerners grew up in an integrated society without that bigotry. Today the South is the least racially bigoted region of the country, in part because Southerners have always been culturally predisposed to be friendly in general anyway compared to the rest of the country, and the ideological motive for abstract anti-black sentiment had vanished. With this change Southerners realized they had more in common with conservative Republicans than liberal Democrats. But to an ignorant, closed minded bigot like you Southern whites will always be the villains depicted in cheesy Hollywood period pieces set 100 years ago.

            The truth is that Democrat leaders like LBJ made a strategic calculation to stop pandering to anti-black sentiment and start pandering to pro-black sentiment BECAUSE of the gradual cultural change in the country. LBJ was many things, but few would describe him as noble or idealistic. In the decades that followed the radical left gained more control over the party and its pandering shifted to outright anti-white sentiment. You could say they overcorrected in the opposite direction, but actually they’re still playing the same bigoted identity politics games they always played, just with different skin colors, using big government as a tool to secure and perpetuate their own power. With the exception of Strom Thurmond, most of the Democrat segregationists (e.g. Al Gore Sr., Clinton’s mentor William Fulbright, future Democrat Senate majority leader Robert Byrd) remained Democrats their entire lives.

            There was no real ideology switch but there was a partial geography switch. New England had gotten rich over centuries with mostly libertarian/conservative policies. Also remember for the first half of US history that was the “puritanical” region of the country, and often mocked as such by Southerners. Even well into the 20th Century people still spoke of “New England conservatism”. That changed around the 1970s when the region began lurching to the left economically, after having become more secular earlier in the century. With that change it moved from Republican to Democrat. The South more gradually shifted from Democrat to Republican as laid out above, became known as the “Bible Belt” after a couple of strong “Awakenings”, became more conservative, and has grown much faster economically than the rest of the country since about 1960 or so (see New South economy; also the reversal of black immigration out of the South back to the South starting around that time, along with other races fleeing the modern northeast). But other regions stayed constant. The Central Plains, much of the Mid West, and much of the Mountain West has mostly always been a Republican bastion. New York has mostly been a Democrat bastion, going back to the corrupt Tammany Hall era in the early to mid 1800s. For their part blacks switched from Republican to Democrat not in the 1960s as many assume, but back in the 1930s. Contrary to your implication, however, the FDR Democrats were still very much the party of segregation while the Republicans were the ones championing civil rights legislation and calling for tougher measures against lynching. Blacks switched parties because they liked FDR’s economic liberalism more than they disliked the Democrats’ segregation. Period.

          • Joseph Wright
            November 27, 2017

            “You again dodged my helpfully specific question about whether you disagree with any aspects of Nation of Islam doctrine, and if so why, coward. I’m not going to let you off the hook after your dumbass praise for black nationalists and the NOI in particular.”-Rasputin (Whatever)

            1) I don’t agree with the Nation of Islam concept that all Whites are like Rasputin–racist White devils.

            2) I don’t agree with the Nation of Islam proposal of Blacks in America having our own separate nation– in effect, seceding from the rest of the United States–like the Southern rednecks unsuccessfully did. That led to the Civil War and their thorough asswhipping at the hands of the North. It definitely was an asswhupping the South took and the secession was unsuccessful. They came back to the Union with their tails between there legs, never to leave again (LMFAO!!!). Even if Blacks were giving an ample piece of land (e.g, the state of California), I would still be skeptical. I take my cues from my father: “If that happened, some White racists (like Rasputin) would build a powerful bomb…and aim it!”

            3) I am not with the ultramodest dress code for the women. I like to know what a woman with a pretty face is working with, body-wise and hair-wise.

            4) I love ham sandwiches, barbecued ribs, and pork hotlinks way too much to give them up to convert to Islam.

            How do you like that answer? Am I “off the hook,” redneck?

            As for another ridiculous Razzie question, “…Is he (Malcolm X) still your hero now?” ABSOLUTELY! If he pisses a skinhead like you off, my admiration for him went up another million points.

            On the topic of Malcolm X and heroes:
            “I found (Malcolm X) brilliant and reasonable and I would leave our talks exhilarated. I’m not a man who believes in heroes but for me Malcolm came the closest. he was the only Black man who was speaking out in a manner I appreciated. He questioned the goals of the Civil Rights movement…Malcolm also said, If someone hits you, hit him back twice as hard. If someone comes to your home to (mess) with you, protect yourself and family at all costs (I guess that means VIOLENCE, Razzie). I believed in all of that.”–Jim Brown

            “Malcolm was very intelligent, with a good sense of humor, a wise man. When he talked he held me spell-bound for hours…When Malcolm broke with Elijah Muhammad, I stayed with Elijah. I believed Malcolm was wrong and Elijah was God’s Messenger. I was in Miami when I heard Malcolm had (been assassinated). It was a pity and disgrace he died like that because what Malcolm saw was right, and after he left us, we (The Nation of Islam, under the takeover of Elijah Muhammad’s son, Wallace D. Muhammad) went his way (Orthodox Islam) anyway. Color didn’t make a man (like Rasputin) a devil. It’s the heart, soul, and mind that matters.”–Muhammad Ali

            “…Several years after that (1967 meeting with Jim Brown, Bill Russell, Willie Davis, etc. to support Ali’s antiwar stand), I converted to Islam. My decision wasn’t influenced by Ali. The Nation of Islam didn’t appeal to me. I thought that what Malcolm X was talking about was a much purer ideal (Of course, readers, Razzie characterized Malcolm X as “an evil man.” SMH). I never met Malcolm; his autobiography was what turned me around.”–Kareem Abdul-Jabbar

            Now for another hero:

            “Ali was one of the bravest individuals I have ever known. They tested him, threatened him, denied him what he loved, yet he never gave in. Other than Jackie Robinson, has there ever been a sports figure more important than Ali? I believe Ali and Robert F. Kennedy lit the spark that became the firestorm that finally ended the war in Vietnam.”–Jim Brown

            “I was struck by how confident he was (in refusing to go to war), how totally assured he was that what he was doing was right…In (that 1967 Cleveland meeting) and many other times with Ali, I saw a man accepting special responsibilities, someone who conducted himself in a way that the people who came in contact with him were better for the experience. Philosophically, Ali was a free man.”–Bill Russell

            “I remember being very flattered and proud to be invited to the (1967 Cleveland) meeting because these were professional athletes and I was just in college. And I was 100 percent behind Muhammad’s protesting what I thought was an unjust war (another case of White folks trying to steal something that wasn’t theirs, readers and Razzie).
            There is no doubt that public acceptance of what I did (Islamic conversion/name change) was greater because Muhammad lay the groundwork before me. He is one of my heroes. He gave so many people courage to test the system. A lot of us didn’t think he could do it, but he did and succeeded every time (who’s the idiotic moron who said “sticking it to the man doesn’t count” ?). –Kareem Abdul-Jabbar

            “If Baptists weren’t allowed to fight, I wouldn’t (go to Vietnam) either.”– Joe Frazier, during Ali’s exhile

            “You may not agree with Mr. Muhammad Ali’s religion but you certainly have to admire his courage. And if your conscience does not allow you to agree with this war (in Vietnam), then I say file as a conscientious objector.”–Dr Martin Luther King

            Interesting to note that the last two were Baptist, like the Rev. Billy Graham. Why do I mention Rev. Graham? Well, in his first interview with Alex Haley, Malcolm X was still in the Nation of Islam and cited Graham as follows…

            Haley: So, you’re saying that there have never been any good White people ever in the history of the world? Jesus Christ was not a good man?

            X: Jesus wasn’t White. He was a Black man.

            Haley: Do you have any proof of that?

            X: Sir, I would advise you to direct your question regarding Jesus’ color to the Rev. Billy Graham. HE’S the one who said it. (Are you listening, Megyn Kelly?)

            So, Razzie, I had to correct your ignorant, young, dumb, redneck ass about “much,” (i.e.,”Ali was ignorant much of his life…’) pointing out that 12 years out of a 74-year life doesn’t constitute “much,” even though it is a relative term. Instead of thanking me for correcting you, you lumped in his first 20 years of life as a Baptist Christian with his NOI affiliation. So, NOI followers AND Baptists like Billy Graham (who said Jesus was Black), Dr. King and Joe Frazier (who both supported Ali’s antiwar stance and were Baptists until they died) have all been “ignorant for much of their lives.” Way to go, xenophobic, skinheaded nitwit.

            As for Cookie Gilchrist: “When Muhammad Ali took his stand as a Conscientious Objector to the Vietnam War and was effectively ‘blacklisted’ from the boxing ring, it was Cookie, Jim Brown and the other prominent African American athletes of the time who led the charge to reinstate Ali, which led to his becoming the icon that he is today.”–http://cookiegilchrist.com/stand-on-civil-rights/.

            You’d have HATED Cookie Gilchrist. Later on, redneck.

          • Rasputin
            November 27, 2017

            You’re trying to hide behind a few stupid quotes from Brown and Jabbar praising Ali for CERTAIN things on the event of his passing, LOL? Heck, even I found some good things to say about Ali then and now. I prefer this Jabbar quote though:

            “Well, I think I might have influenced him (Ali) to investigate what Islam was actually about instead of what the Black Muslims said it was about. Not me, personally, but just the whole concept of Orthodox Islam. It was a lot different from what the Black Muslims were preaching and he finally figured that out. Unfortunately, Malcolm X was assassinated by members of that group and he eventually put it together and did the right thing with regard to professing or believing in Orthodox Islam.” – Kareem Abdul Jabbar.

            Joseph Wright: “And what is wrong with the Nation of Islam, Malcolm X and the Black Panthers?”

            Sounds like even Jabbar might be able to answer the question you ignorantly posed earlier, though his own credibility and judgment have to be questioned too.

            In 1973 Hamaas Abdul Khaalis, a former high ranking member of the Nation of Islam and the man who had converted Jabbar to Islam, wrote widely distributed letters strongly condemning the Nation of Islam as a racist outfit that perverts true Islam, said NOI leader Elijah Muhammed was “guilty of ‘fooling and deceiving people – robbing them of their money, and besides that dooming them to Hell”, and called on people to leave “Black Muslim” ideology. Jabbar had bought a house for Khaalis and his followers in Washington DC that they turned into a Sunni Muslim center.

            Soon after the letters were sent several NOI affiliated men stormed the house that Jabbar had given them. Khaalis wasn’t there, but they began by shooting and killing his grown son, Daud. Then they shot another man named Abdu Nur to death. The black nationalists then dragged Khaalis’ 26 year old second wife Bibi to a bathroom and made her watch as they drowned two of her own children, an infant boy and a one year girl. After that they shot Bibi, killed her remaining toddler, and killed 10 year old Rahman, Khaalis’ son by his first wife. They finished by dragging Khaalis’ adult daughter Almina into a closet and shooting her twice, leaving her for dead. For good measure they robbed the place. Although seriously wounded, Almina and Bibi survived. The women testified that the killers told them this was in retribution for the letters Khaalis had sent.

            Several killers were identified and ultimately convicted for the horrific murders, but one was acquitted. A key witness in that case, a co-conspirator named James Price who was rolling over on his comrades, had second thoughts after Louis Farrakhan, current NOI leader, aired this threatening radio message:

            “Let this be a warning to the opponents of Muhammad. Let this be a warning to those of you who would be used as an instrument of a wicked government against…our rise….In the ranks of black people today there are younger men and women rising up who have no forgiveness in them for traitors and stool pigeons…And they will execute you, as soon as your identity is known. Be careful because nothing shall prevent the rise of the messiah, the Nation of Islam and the black man the world over.” – Louis Farrakhan

            He literally said “stool pigeons”, LOL! What an absolute scumbag you’ve chosen to worship. A few days later Price decided not to testify. Despite that, he was soon found strangled to death in a prison cell block heavily populated by black Muslims.

            Joseph Wright: “And what is wrong with the Nation of Islam..?”

            More tragedy lay ahead. Four years later Kareem Abdul Jabbar’s friend Khaalis, wanting payback against the NOI, led an armed Sunni group that took 150 hostages in three locations in DC, killing a reporter named Maurice Williams and wounding future mayor Marion Berry in the process. Their demands mostly centered on the government handing over the slayers of his family and doing more to fully punish the Nation of Islam for the atrocity. He had spent years waging a public relations war against the NOI and condemning Ali and other celebrities who donated money to the group and supported what was essentially a group of racially bigoted thugs. The terrorists were eventually talked down and arrested.

            Hamaas Abdul Khaalis, the man who took credit for converting Malcolm X away from the Nation of Islam, and who befriended and converted Kareem Abdul Jabbar to Islam (Jabbar was a pallbearer at his children’s funeral), would spend the rest of his life in prison. If you really want to try and pretend any of these people were somehow heroic, you should try to find serious character references outside of their immediate circle of friends and cronies. This quote from the Anti-Defamation League sums it up well:

            ADL: “The Nation of Islam (NOI), the oldest Black nationalist organization in the U.S., has maintained a consistent record of anti-Semitism and racism since its founding in the 1930s.”

            Joseph Wright: “And what is wrong with the Nation of Islam..?”

            Yikes.

            “1) I don’t agree with the Nation of Islam concept that all Whites are like Rasputin–racist White devils.

            2) I don’t agree with the Nation of Islam proposal of Blacks in America having our own separate nation– in effect, seceding from the rest of the United States–like the Southern rednecks unsuccessfully did. That led to the Civil War and their thorough asswhipping at the hands of the North.”

            You forgot to give your opinion on the NOI’s opposition to racial intermarriage and support for racial separation (nationhood aside). Plus, while I’m glad you “don’t agree” that “all” (your word) white people are “devils” (gee, want a cookie?) or that black Americans should found their own nation, do you just passively disagree with these things, possibly considering them minor details, or do you CONDEMN them and acknowledge that they obviously represent gross racial bigotry?

            “Even if Blacks were giving an ample piece of land (e.g, the state of California), I would still be skeptical. I take my cues from my father: “If that happened, some White racists (like Rasputin) would build a powerful bomb…and aim it!””

            So that’s the only reason you oppose a separate black nation? You’re afraid it would be attacked and destroyed by evil white “devils”? Otherwise you’d be fine with it?

            “3) I am not with the ultramodest dress code for the women. I like to know what a woman with a pretty face is working with, body-wise and hair-wise.
            4) I love ham sandwiches, barbecued ribs, and pork hotlinks way too much to give them up to convert to Islam.”

            You sound like a man of great spiritual depth and moral credibility.

            “How do you like that answer? Am I “off the hook,” redneck?”

            Hardly. First, we’ve already established you’re a racial bigot and are now just trying to pin down the precise degree. While I’ve documented bigoted commentary from you, you’ve failed to document any from me. Your repeated, panicky, false claims that I’m somehow a “racist” don’t count. Second, it took you several posts to even claim disagreement with NOI doctrine, and you still left out a couple of big things. You also haven’t said how strongly you oppose such rabid racialist doctrine.

            That said, you did (finally!) claim to disagree with MOST of what the NOI stands for, so, between that and the historical quotes/crimes I’ve recounted, can you now concede that I’ve answered your earlier question, “And what is wrong with the Nation of Islam, Malcolm X and the Black Panthers?”?

            “So, Razzie, I had to correct your ignorant, young, dumb, redneck ass about “much,” (i.e.,”Ali was ignorant much of his life…’) pointing out that 12 years out of a 74-year life doesn’t constitute “much,” even though it is a relative term.”

            You’re the one who pulled “12 years” out of your ass, halfwit. I never said that. And just because I’m observing that one guy who happened to be a Baptist in childhood was ignorant doesn’t mean I’m calling Baptists in general ignorant (or Kentuckians, or people whose name starts with “C”, or right handed people….). That’s aside from the fact that you even admit in your drivel above that “much” isn’t a precise term; indeed 12 out of 74 (16%) would qualify as “much” if I had meant that he was somehow only ignorant for those 12 NOI years, not that I ever said that. Seriously, you suck at logic and you calling anyone else “ignorant” is priceless.

            “Haley: So, you’re saying that there have never been any good White people ever in the history of the world? Jesus Christ was not a good man?

            X: Jesus wasn’t White. He was a Black man.

            Haley: Do you have any proof of that?

            X: Sir, I would advise you to direct your question regarding Jesus’ color to the Rev. Billy Graham. HE’S the one who said it. (Are you listening, Megyn Kelly?)

            So, Razzie, I had to correct your ignorant, young, dumb, redneck ass…. like Billy Graham (who said Jesus was Black)”

            Jesus wasn’t black, he was Jewish, you idiot. Even Arabs aren’t black, and certainly don’t consider themselves as such. Have you already forgotten the education I just gave you on widespread HOSTILITY to blacks in the Arab world? But the deeper question is why does this matter? Why did you even bring up this lame tangent (enthusiastically to boot, LOL!)?

            All you did was provide more proof of what a racist scumbag “X” was. Judging by Haley’s question, X apparently refused to admit that there had been ANY good white people in history. While Graham’s sloppy statement was an attempt to make the point that Jesus doesn’t belong to any particular race and that Christianity is color blind (that’s clear if you look up the context), Malcolm X was making the opposite point if anything. Are you really too stupid to grasp how badly you just gutted your own position?

            Billy Graham is a good man. Malcolm X was an evil man who celebrated the deaths of innocents because of their skin color, and called for more.

            “another case of White folks trying to steal something that wasn’t theirs, readers and Razzie” – Joseph Wright’s characterization of the Vietnam War

            Funny, I’d say it was yet another case of communists trying to steal something that wasn’t theirs, slaughtering hundreds of thousands of people in the process (during and AFTER the war), but then I’m not the deluded racial bigot you are, Joseph Wright, and I actually know something about history (look up “Vietnamese boat people”, moron). You did helpfully provide yet another entry for the Joseph Wright Hall of Shame though.

            It’s telling that even your own Ali quote was praising X for LEAVING the NOI and being right in that (while Ali admitted to being wrong himself in staying at the time). Since your NOI buddies murdered Malcolm just a year later, that means there was only about one year at the end when he wasn’t firmly aligned with the bad guys. I’m glad he changed some at the end, but briefly becoming less bad doesn’t make him a hero. If David Duke merely renounced white nationalism and tragically died a year later, I’m not sure generations later people should be celebrating him as a hero and wearing t-shirts in which Duke sports a defiant expression on his face, vaguely praising his example in courageously taking on “the system” against withering criticism. It’s also telling that even your Jabbar quote was laced with disdain for the NOI.

            You also keep dodging my question about why my “drop in the bucket” post you kept whining about hasn’t been deleted, given your premises that all racist posts are deleted and only posts that are racist are deleted. Stop being a coward, little Joey. Man up and answer.

            Finally, the only ass kicking involved here, moron, is the ass whipping I’ve put on you all over this site.

          • Joseph Wright
            November 28, 2017

            –” …few stupid quotes from Brown and Jabbar praising Ali for CERTAIN things on the event of his passing, LOL?” Hey, dumbass skinheaded xenophobe? First off, the proper was to say or write the last name is Abdul-Jabbar. These quotes on Ali were made in 1989 and 1990. Ali’s passing was 2016. I’m sure your response is like that ignorant reply you gave to those racists bigots who refused to draft Warren Moon, “Oh. OK.” SMH.

            –“Joseph Wright: ‘And what is wrong with the Nation of Islam, Malcolm X and the Black Panthers?'” Did I ever say that they were perfect? Throughout U.S. history, Whites like you have a far worse track record of inhumanity to non-Whites. Far worse. Stealing, murder, raping, kidnapping, enslavement, discrimination, institutional racism. It’s not even close.

            –“a few stupid quotes from Brown and Jabbar…” Hey, redneck? There are also quotes from Dr. King (anti-Vietnam war advocate), Bill Russell, and Joe Frazier (“If Baptists weren’t allowed to fight, I wouldn’t either”). Are THEY stupid, too?

            –“though his (Abdul-Jabbar’s) own credibility and judgment have to be questioned too.” What’s wrong with Abdul-Jabbar’s credibility?

            –“What an absolute scumbag (Louis Farrakhan) you’ve chosen to worship.” I don’t “worship” Farrakhan. NEXT!

            –“If you really want to try and pretend any of these people were somehow heroic, you should try to find serious character references outside of their immediate circle of friends and cronies.” Razzie, your stupidity knows no bounds. Then again, you’re a racist. What should we expect? Character references are people who know you. Quite often, they are friends, stupid. Regardless, speaking on Malcolm X, Kareem never met the man yet said it was Malcom who compelled him to become a Muslim. Speaking on Ali, I wouldn’t call Dr. King, Bill Russell, or Kareem a part of Ali’s “immediate circle of friends and cronies.” Friends, yes. Immediate friends or cronies, no.

            –“You forgot to give your opinion on the NOI’s opposition to racial intermarriage and support for racial separation (nationhood aside).” The first part is a no-win answer best expressed by Ali: “I being persecuted by White people for saying I don’t want to be with a White woman. Chubby Checker is catching hell from Whites for marrying one!” I’ll make a deal with you, Razzie. Show me a picture of you and your Black wife, then I’ll go further. Deal? As for the racial separation, that’s a part of America. Whether I am for it or against it, it is what it is. Everywhere I go, I can find a Black neighboorhood or a White neighborhood. You’re being crazy. How many Black families live in YOUR neighborhood? And how many families, overall, are in your neighborhood? When I was born there were three White couples up and down across the street. All three were gone within 16 years. Making the peaceful, quiet neighborhood all Black. There was no hostility towards them nor crimes committed against them. They left because…? The neighborhood is still peaceful, quiet, and well-kept.

            –“…do you just passively disagree with these things, possibly considering them minor details, or do you CONDEMN them and acknowledge that they obviously represent gross racial bigotry?” Who are you? Donald Trump (“Where’s his birth certificate?”) or Hillary Clinton (“Why don’t you denounce (Farrakhan”s statements about Jewish people?”) questioning Barack Obama? Only God can condemn anyone. I said I disagree with some of the NOI’s policies. That answers the silly “You again dodged my helpfully specific question about whether you disagree with any aspects of Nation of Islam doctrine, and if so why” question.

            –“You sound like a man of great spiritual depth and moral credibility.” Thank you very much. I’m sure your wife is covered from head to toe (with a veil, no doubt). And what a vile, corrupt individual I am for cosuming pork. FOR SHAME! LOL!!!

            –“Second, it took you several posts to even claim disagreement with NOI doctrine,” Not as many post as it took you to post that “I had a Warren Moon poster on may wall when I was growing up” lie.

            –You said Ali was ignorant for “much” of his life because of his membership in the Nation of Islam. Although a relative term, 12 (which I schooled your ass on; obviously, you failed to research his whole religious background before NOI) is not much of 74 (“1/6 is much,” my ass. It’s not even 1/6. Man, this redneck sucks at math) years of live. So, of course as you have often cowardly done on this website when I prove you wrong, you move the yardsticks to include the first 20 years of life (as a Baptist) to try to validate your incorrect, racially motivated point.

            –“Jesus wasn’t black, he was Jewish, you idiot.” You keep cutting yourself up and giving me assists. Thanks, dumbass. You (falsely) rip Ali for mistaking Islam a race then you fall flat on your face…AGAIN!! Ironically, you bring Alex Haley to mind. He was assigned to interview Neo-Nazi White Supremacist Rockwell in the early ’60s. Before he agreed to the interview, Rockwell asked Haley over the phone, “Are you Jewish?” Haley replied, “No sir, I’m Methodist.” With that, Rockwell–who had never met Haley–agreed to the interview. When Haley (Black as ever) arrived, The White supremacist (you’re in great company, Razzie) said, “You deceived me.” Haley said, “No,no,no. You asked me ‘Are you Jewish?’ You didn’t ask me my color.” Jewish doesn’t mean White, idiot. Sammy Davis Jr., Whoopi Goldberg and Amare Stoudamire are Jewish. It’s a religion, not a race (as Muhammad Ali understood about Islam from the start). Forget about “much.” YOU have been ingnorant for All of your life until I just taught you this, dumbass.

            –“Funny, I’d say it was yet another case of communists trying to steal something that wasn’t theirs, slaughtering hundreds of thousands of people in the process (during and AFTER the war), but then I’m not the deluded racial bigot you are, Joseph Wright, and I actually know something about history (look up “Vietnamese boat people”, moron)” The French were actually (though it’s not termed as such) practicing slavery in South Vietnam. The people in North Vietman essentially told the French (who were White, by the way) that their country didn’t need to be divided North and South, leave now. The French resisted, and then N. Vietnamese started kicking their ass. Then, Johnson foolishly sent U.S. troops to aid the French. That war was wrong. Even Cookie Gilchrist saw that.

            Later, skinhead.

          • Rasputin
            November 29, 2017

            Joseph Wright earlier: “And what is wrong with the Nation of Islam, Malcolm X and the Black Panthers?”

            Joseph Wright after I educated him with accounts of their mass murders, racially bigoted doctrine, evil quotes celebrating the deaths of innocents, opposition to racial integration, routine criminality, and/or anti-American terrorism:

            “Did I ever say that they were perfect?” – Joseph Wright

            Wow. You can’t make this up. So in your opinion the Nation of Islam, Black Panthers, and Malcolm X just had some minor flaws that were no big deal? You really are a black nationalist aren’t you, little Joey? You’re just an old, dumb bigot seething with hatred.

            “Whites like you have a far worse track record of inhumanity to non-Whites.”

            “Whites like” me? Oh, Joseph Wright, I hope you keep exposing who you are by making bigoted comments like this and adding material to your Hall of Shame. You’re judging people by the color of their skin, the opposite of what MLK called for. I’ve never condemned the NOI or BP for being black. I’ve criticized them for their deeds and words, the lives they’ve wrecked and the way they’ve poisoned people’s minds (“the content of their character”). To wit….

            “Whites like you have a far worse track record of inhumanity to non-Whites. Far worse. Stealing, murder, raping, kidnapping, enslavement, discrimination, institutional racism. It’s not even close.”

            Your historical ignorance aside, I haven’t done any of those things, Joseph.

            I asked whether you agree with the NOI’s opposition to interracial marriage (shared by Malcolm X and Ali when they were members). This was your pathetic reply:

            “The first part is a no-win answer best expressed by Ali: “I being persecuted by White people for saying I don’t want to be with a White woman. Chubby Checker is catching hell from Whites for marrying one!” I’ll make a deal with you, Razzie. Show me a picture of you and your Black wife, then I’ll go further. Deal?”

            I asked if you opposed blacks and whites marrying each other, not whether you personally had married a white woman, you cowardly moron. Ali was wrong. The winning answer is that skin color is ultimately a cosmetic trait and there’s nothing wrong with interracial marriage. Your dodging indicates that you do have some hangups about interracial marriage. You probably get mad when you see a white guy dating a black girl, don’t you, bigot? You and 1960s Ali have a lot more in common with Hitler and David Duke than I do.

            “As for the racial separation, that’s a part of America. Whether I am for it or against it, it is what it is.”

            Certainly doesn’t sound like you’re against it. No wonder you left out these hateful aspects of NOI doctrine when listing some things you claimed to disagree with.

            “Everywhere I go, I can find a Black neighboorhood or a White neighborhood. You’re being crazy. How many Black families live in YOUR neighborhood?”

            Actually my first best friends growing up were black kids who lived across the street, but personal anecdotal doesn’t mean much in online discussions since you could just blindly claim I’m “lying” as you have been regarding my true Warren Moon poster fact. You missed the point though. I didn’t ask whether there’s still a lot of practical separation in where blacks and whites live. True segregation was MANDATORY. I asked if you oppose integration like Malcolm X and your NOI heroes did, and like you apparently oppose interracial marriage.

            “Only God can condemn anyone. I said I disagree with some of the NOI’s policies.”

            Don’t try to play word games. Your verbal skills suck almost as much as your math skills do. Do you at least acknowledge that the NOI was and is racially bigoted as the ADL correctly states? If so, do you MORALLY oppose them or simply disagree on certain matters for practical reasons (like a blacks-only nation)?

            You were whining about Trump supposedly not condemning white nationalists ENOUGH, when he’s done nothing but denounce Duke and people like him for decades (including after Charlottesville), but you can’t even bring yourself to denounce black nationalism once, you raging hypocrite? The people and groups we’re discussing have at least as evil a doctrine as the white nationalists at Charlottesville did, and they’ve certainly murdered a lot more people.

            “What’s wrong with Abdul-Jabbar’s credibility?”

            His spiritual mentor and friend, a man he financially supported, became a terrorist who got an innocent person killed and spent the rest of his life in prison. He’s not the most sterling judge of character. I’m not bashing the guy hard for it though. I even pointed out how the quotes from him posted by both me and you support my case while running against yours. He criticized “black Muslim” ideology and indicated that he, Ali, and Malcolm X were all wrong for being in the NOI.

            ““You sound like a man of great spiritual depth and moral credibility.” Thank you very much. I’m sure your wife is covered from head to toe (with a veil, no doubt). And what a vile, corrupt individual I am for cosuming pork. FOR SHAME! LOL!!!”

            Of course not. I was mocking you for making the most important decisions in one’s existence based on a single dietary preference and the desire to more easily check out women (apparently OTHER than your wife, whose shape you’re presumably already familiar with), after all that disingenuous bleating about Muslim spirituality you posted earlier to boot.

            There’s shallow. There’s vapid. Then there’s you.

            “You said Ali was ignorant for “much” of his life because of his membership in the Nation of Islam.”

            No I didn’t. That was one of many reasons. I certainly never said he was only ignorant during his 12 years in the NOI. That wouldn’t even make sense. What, did he take dumb pills suddenly and become more ignorant than he had been earlier in this warped narrative you’ve concocted? They could be marketed as Joseph Wright tablets and feature a picture of your face on the package. Seriously, what shape does this BS even take in your head, or do you not actually think through the crap you spew?

            “Although a relative term, 12 (which I schooled your ass on; obviously, you failed to research his whole religious background before NOI)”

            Wrong again. Aside from the fact that I’m the one who’s been educating you on Ali along with many other things throughout this discussion, is your idiotic claim really based on the absurd assumption that I had somehow never heard the story of Cassius Clay winning the title and then changing his name to Muhammad Ali in accordance with his recent conversion and NOI association? His life has been romanticized in tv segments and articles as much as any late 20th Century athlete since I’ve been around, and you can find no hint that I wasn’t already well aware of all that.

            “12…is not much of 74 (“1/6 is much,” my ass. It’s not even 1/6. Man, this redneck sucks at math) years of live.”

            I said 16%, moron, not “1/6” (though since you mention it it’s almost 1/6). I actually rounded down from 16.2%. You’re a drooling moron who can’t even do basic arithmetic or fully comprehend what you read. As for whether that’s “much”, cut off 16% of your body and get back to me, halfwit.

            Now cut off 47% of your body and say whether that’s “much”, since that was the minimum amount of his life that I had in mind while describing Ali as being “largely ignorant” for “much of his life”.

            “So, of course as you have often cowardly done on this website when I prove you wrong, you move the yardsticks to include the first 20 years of life (as a Baptist) to try to validate your incorrect, racially motivated point.”

            LOL! You’re the only moving yardsticks around, coward, and you haven’t proven me wrong about anything, you bigoted moron.

            “You (falsely) rip Ali for mistaking Islam a race then you fall flat on your face…Jewish doesn’t mean White, idiot. Sammy Davis Jr., Whoopi Goldberg and Amare Stoudamire are Jewish. It’s a religion, not a race (as Muhammad Ali understood about Islam from the start)….YOU have been ingnorant for All of your life until I just taught you this, dumbass.”

            First I want to take a moment to appreciate how you literally misspelled “ignorant” in your moronic comment. Second, Jews are an ETHNICITY as well as a religion, you drooling ignoramus (unlike Muslims, who are only a religion), involving bloodlines and culture. People can even test for Jewish ancestry with those Ancestry DNA kits, at least about to the extent they can for other nationalities. Many Jews are labeled “non observant” because they aren’t religious but still identify ethnically as Jewish.

            I never said “Jews are white”. I didn’t even say they can never be black (obviously they can with interracial marriage, which you seem to oppose). And I know more about the history of various different populations in the Jewish diaspora (e.g. Sephardic, Ashkenazic)….and, let’s be honest, way more about history in general than you do.

            By saying “Jesus is Jewish” I was making an historical point, not unlike saying “Gustav was from Scandinavia” (Scandinavia isn’t a skin color either, moron, but that provides a great clue about his appearance, especially if you’re talking about many centuries ago when the world was a much bigger place). The Jewish people WEREN’T black. They were a Mediterranean nation, not a sub-Saharan (black) one. My point should have been obvious since I went on to remind you that Arabs aren’t black either (you omitted that part). Racial assignment depends on the classification system being used, but in fact Middle Eastern people are sometimes classified as “Caucasian”. When they are distinguished from white people, they still aren’t lumped in with black people. So no, unless you have some previously secret evidence that Jesus was racially different from his family and most people around him, it’s safe to say he wasn’t black.

            Third, Ali DID associate Islam with black people. That’s why in his militant phase he said things like, “We Muslims don’t hate the White man. It’s like we don’t hate a tiger….So we don’t want to live with tigers. It’s the same with the White man.” He treated white people and Muslims as if they were distinct, even incompatible groups. Ali was grossly ignorant about Islam and the world in general BEFORE his conversion to Islam, which is why he bought that black nationalist garbage to begin with. He just ran into some black Muslims and liked the way their rhetoric made him feel about himself. I guarantee you he didn’t know about the history of Islamic (black and Arab) use of slaves (especially but not exclusively black slaves), or slavery around the world throughout history, or that “the white man” (more precisely Western Christianity) was the group most instrumental in ending slavery (including pressuring Muslims to finally end slavery in the 20th Century). His worldview was ass backwards for much of his life.

            That’s why Kareem Abdul Jabbar talked about deprogramming Ali from the black Muslim crap, and teaching him about mainstream, non-racial Islam.

            “The French were actually (though it’s not termed as such) practicing slavery in South Vietnam. The people in North Vietman essentially told the French (who were White, by the way) that their country didn’t need to be divided North and South, leave now. The French resisted, and then N. Vietnamese started kicking their ass. Then, Johnson foolishly sent U.S. troops to aid the French. That war was wrong.”

            I see you were too lazy to take my advice and look up “Vietnamese boat people”, moron. The French were fighting to hold onto territorial gains (as countless Asian, African, and other groups have done since the dawn of time), but your bigoted and incorrect claim that it was “another case of White folks trying to steal something that wasn’t theirs” was about the US war effort (once again you’re trying to “move the yardsticks” like a weasel). The Americans were involved not for conquest or some imaginary racial agenda but to stop the spread of communism. Communism is every bit as evil as Nazism and did way more damage to the world. It’s still doing damage today from North Korea to Cuba.

            It would be one thing if you were grounding your opposition on a sound knowledge base, because reasonable people can disagree on the morality of any war (including WW2) depending on their principles, but you can’t credibly say “that war was wrong” because you know nothing about it. You’re a very ignorant man. As a totalitarian ideology communism inherently involves people taking what isn’t theirs. The communists violently imposed their will in the north (took what wasn’t theirs) and then, a couple of years after the US pull out, they conquered the south (took what wasn’t theirs), happily targeting men, women, and children in sometimes gruesome ways all along. They massacred, imprisoned, and tortured countless people (including US POWs). They waged genocidal campaigns against the Montagnards and other minority peoples deemed too “conservative”. They persecuted the religious, including Christians, Buddhists, AND MUSLIMS (hear that, Ali?). They sent hundreds of thousands of suspected dissenters to “reeducation camps” (not as much fun as it sounds), and they imposed oppression and poverty on the entire population.

            Millions fled Vietnam for good reason after the communist takeover. They risked and often sacrificed their lives in shoddy boats as people have escaping from Cuba, North Korea, East Germany, and every other communist regime. Hundreds of thousands settled in America. Many more wished they could have. A domino that quickly fell as a result of South Vietnam’s fall was Cambodia, where the communist Khmer Rouge took over and conducted a nightmarish holocaust that was even worse than what happened in Vietnam, slaughtering an estimated 2 million people.

            The experience I relayed earlier of former Black Panther Eldridge Cleaver is telling. The Panthers combined communism with racial bigotry, many of them thoughtlessly attracted to Marxism simply because it was anti-American and so were they. Then Eldridge, a fugitive from the law, fled the country and spent years actually living in various communist nations (not just taking the “tour”, as he put it, that useful idiot journalists and celebrities get). He found that America, for all its problems, was a lot better than the rest of the world, especially communist countries. He witnessed socialism’s fatal flaws and government abuses up close, and developed a deeper understanding of how the world really works. He returned to the US years later a changed man, voluntarily served his time in prison, and became a libertarian leaning conservative Republican.

            Ali didn’t even hide his ignorance of Vietnam. His opposition was rooted not in the facts on the ground there, but in his refusal to support a non-Islamic nation (America). He said he would only fight in a Muslim holy war.

            A lot of people have projected their own hopes, causes, or ideals onto Ali as if he was a canvass. I cut through that BS to get to the truth about the man. But you’re the one who wants to spend most of your time talking about him. I’m only addressing him because you keep raising him. Even I’ve said some good things about Ali. My criticism of Kaepernick and you was for your praise of other, far worse figures than Ali (I don’t even remember if Kaepernick has said anything about Ali).

            I’m bashing unrepentant black nationalists, terrorists, and anti-American scumbags like the Nation of Islam and Black Panthers.

            PS – You again dodged my question about why you feel my (entirely non-racist) “drop in the bucket” post you spent so much time whining about earlier hasn’t been deleted since you claimed all racist posts are deleted, and only racist posts are deleted. You aren’t man enough to admit you were wrong, but at least you finally shut up about that after I showed how your lies were contradicting each other, LOL.

          • Joseph Wright
            November 29, 2017

            –“You can’t make this up. So in your opinion the Nation of Islam, Black Panthers, and Malcolm X just had some minor flaws that were no big deal? You really are a black nationalist aren’t you, little Joey? You’re just an old, dumb bigot seething with hatred.”–Rasputin

            I never said they were perfect nor did I say their imperfections were “minor flaws.” Epic fail on your part. Then again, you’re an ignorant racist. You can’t help yourself.

            –“I asked if you opposed blacks and whites marrying each other, not whether you personally had married a white woman, you cowardly moron. Ali was wrong.”

            That would have been your immediate followup question, race-baiter. I can see it now, “OK, you’re not opposed, what color is your wife?” GTFOH. Ali WAS right. Whites criticized him for saying he wanted a Black woman to be his wife and Chubby Checker WAS catching hell from Whites for marrying a White woman. Let’s listen to one of ALI’s ( as you ignorantly labeled him) “cronies” (the act of cronyism in the U.S., btw, is applied by Whites WAY more than Blacks, but I digress) : “There is nothing wrong with having preferences, even personal prejudices. The problem arises when those preferences and prejudices deteriorate into hatred, bigotry, racism, discrimination, cruelty, and murder.”–Bill Russell.

            –“You probably get mad when you see a white guy dating a black girl, don’t you, bigot?” Why didn’t you flip it? If you are applying this to me, the question should have been “Do you get mad when you see a Black man with a White woman?” Of course, being a White racist man, you would NEVER do THAT. God forbid! Ali was against intermarriage? Then why aren’t you a fan of Jack Johnson? He was Heavyweight Champ, from Texas, and had TWO White wives. He’s definitely one of my sports heroes. What about you, Razzie? The redneck will never answer THAT question, readers. Gettin’ hot in here, isn’t it, skinhead?

            –“True segregation was MANDATORY.” Like when the All-White owned NFL didn’t draft Warren Moon in the ’78 NFL Draft (unless he switched from his position of quarterback; Paul Zimmerman was beaming with pride, no doubt), forcing him to leave his country (U.S.) for six years to find a job in Canada?

            –“…but you can’t even bring yourself to denounce black nationalism once, you raging hypocrite?” Hold up there, junior. I have asked you repeatedly with no direct answer to this day, Why was Warren Moon not drafted by the NFL after his senior year in college (PAC-8 Player of the Year; Rose Bowl MVP)? Additionally I have asked you, Why did Thomas Jefferson own slaves? Those direct answers are STILL forthcoming. Stay tuned, everybody.

            –“(Kareem Abdul-Jabbar) criticized “black Muslim” ideology and indicated that he, Ali, and Malcolm X were all wrong for being in the NOI.” You call yourself a historian? Abdul-Jabbar was NEVER a member of the NOI. Let me help you out, son. Neither was Ahmad Rashad. You are not a historian at all. You simply go on Wikipedia, I guess, or get your dyed-in-the-wool Nazi, White Supremacist garbage from FOX News Channel, Klan propaganda, or White Supremacist/Nationalist literature. Try the World Book Encyclopedia sometime. Or Encyclopedia Britannica. That stumble off the big stage you made when you termed those “stupid comments” of Jim Brown and Abdul-Jabbar about Ali, that I had to correct you about (they weren’t tributes after his death; the statements were made while Ali was well alive), brings another point: Get out of that White racist cocoon garbage can you live in and read something other than White racist Republican trash. Recommendations: The Autobiography of Malcolm X; Jim Brown: Out of Bounds; Second Wind-Bill Russell; Giant Steps-Kareem Abdul-Jabbar: Black Profiles in Courage-Kareem Abdul-Jabbar; QuarterBlack-Doug Williams; Never Give Up on Your Dream-Warren Moon; Alex Haley: The Playboy Interviews. Go to the library or buy them on EBay or Amazon. You might actually learn something, numbskull.

            –“Actually my first best friends growing up were black kids who lived across the street, but personal anecdotal doesn’t mean much in online discussions since you could just blindly claim I’m “lying” as you have been regarding my true Warren Moon poster fact.” Oh, I LOVE this one. I believe you about these “first Black friends.” Y’all still in touch? Or did they drop your White racist ass like a bad case of syphilis? LMFAO!!! LOL!!! ROTFLMAO!!! MAN! That was a good one. Oh, by the way, the Warren Moon poster story is STILL bull.

            –“You said Ali was ignorant for “much” of his life because of his membership in the Nation of Islam.”–Me

            “No I didn’t. That was one of many reasons. I certainly never said he was only ignorant during his 12 years in the NOI.”–Rasputin

            That’s a lie. However, for entertainment sake, dummy, say we take away his 12 years of NOI membership and he still opposes the Vietnam war and is robbed of his title and his boxing license for 3 and a half years (his prime years), what were the “many” other reasons Ali was ignorant? Even though you were obviously INFERRING that this “ignorance” was because of his NOI association.

            –“As for whether that’s “much”, cut off 16% of your body and get back to me, halfwit.” HORRIBLE. This isn’t (as you would term it) The Good Ol’ Days of Slavery, when Southern Whites had the option to cut off Black people’s body parts without criminal charges, Thomas Jefferson loving, Confederate fan. HORRIBLE. Lost cause. No way is 12 “much” of 74. You REALLY had to go to mutilation? HORRIBLE.

            –“Blacks switched parties because they liked FDR’s economic liberalism more than they disliked the Democrats’ segregation. Period.” What the hell gives YOUR ignorant White racist ass the knowledge to say why Blacks left the Republicans for the Democratic Party. So YOU (Lord help us) are a spokesman for Black people? Is THAT right? STFU.

            –You lost it, and your credibility, with this right here: “…if I had to win one game I’d take Romo over Elway without hesitation. Probably not Cunningham though.” Ridiculous. Elway and Cunningham were FAR better QBs than Romo. Tony Romo was NEVER a great QB.

            –You’ve falsely accused me of YOUR myopic thinking. “The only reason you like (Randall Cunningham) is because he’s Black.” If that was the case, I’d have also gotten with the likes of Quincy Carter, Rodney Peete, Charlie Batch, Kordell Stewart, RGIII, and JaMarcus Russell, moron. Deal With it, Dak Prescott is YOUR quarterback for the next 10-15 years. Heh! Heh! Heh! The Lord works in strange and mysterious ways–like Randall Cunningham! (I admit that RC got it from Staubach)

            –“Jews are an ETHNICITY as well as a religion” Wrong. Semites are an ethnicity. Judaism, which terms its worshipers “Jewish,” is a religion. This additional stumble on the big stage ranks right up there with Louis Farrakhan saying that Jews created U.S. slavery and owned slaves here in America. Many African Americans would be practicing Jews and sporting names like “Liebowitz,” “Rosenbloom,” Spielberg,” and “Goldstein.” And you said I “worship” him? That would be like worshipping (oh, Lord)…YOU! NO WAY!

            –“And I know more about the history of various different populations in the Jewish diaspora (e.g. Sephardic, Ashkenazic)….and, let’s be honest, way more about history in general than you do.” Young redneck, don’t even try it. I teach U.S. History. I have a degree and a teaching credential. STFU. Regarding U.S. History, young skinhead, you can ask me about it, you can’t tell me. If any of my White students (past or present) have problems with me, my administration would have canned me a long time ago.

            –“‘It’s not like we have the power to build restricted clubs or organizations that say “No Whites Allowed.” It doesn’t happen, redneck.”–Me

            “You mean like the Black Panthers, Nation of Islam, Miss Black America, BlackPeopleMeet (dating site), the United Negro College Fund, and the Congressional Black Caucus just to name a few, LOL? You really are a faceplanting buffoon, Joseph Wright. That’s without even getting into things merely encouraging black chauvinism, like the various “Black” magazines you mentioned reading earlier, “Black History Month” (a cheerleading session, not something needed since blacks are covered in general history), the Black Entertainment Channel, etc.. Imagine the outcry if white versions of any of these things were proposed.” What a mental midget. Let’s take Miss Black America, as an example. First winner was named in 1921. It took 63 years before you had a Black winner or Runner-up before Vanessa Williams and Suzette Charles emerged in 1984. There were no Beautiful, poised, intelligent Black women before then? So, we created our own contest. Same as the Negro Leagues, The Harlem Globetrotters, Ebony Magazine, Jet Magazine, The United Negro College Fund: Blacks were frozen out by White racists from sources that are claimed to be across the board but were denied to Blacks, so we built our own version. Totally within the law. As for Black History Month being “not something needed since Blacks are covered in general history,” that shows your bigotry, racism, and overall stupidity. The contributions of Blacks in U.S. and overall history books are suppressed or outright eliminated. The only chance you have to read about Blacks in general U.S. history books are slavery and the Civil Rights Movement. However, in Texas…https://www.nytimes.com/2015/10/22/opinion/how-texas-teaches-history.html. This NEVER happens in MY classes. Again, buy Black Profiles in Courage-Kareem Abdul-Jabbar. Maybe you’ll learn something, Razzie. For a change. Like President Barack Obama said, “Change We Can Believe In.”

            –So Texas has done that AND got John Kennedy killed. Way to go, Dallas! He was ONLY the President of the United States. Don’t give us your “Secret Service” nonsense, redneck. When the President of the United States is coming to your city, the law enforcement of that locale must come to collaborate as an ally with the Secret Service to assure the Chief Executive’s safety. Dallas, obviously didn’t. He was going down a strip of the city in a parade. ALL points needed to be manned during that procession. Dallas failed to get the job done, no doubt because he was a “Yankee” who was in the process of helping Black people.

            –Cookie Gilchrist was politically outspoken, spoke out against White racists, and was a Black man, like Johnson, Brown, Russell, Ali, Abdul-Jabbar and Kaepernick. In the United States that’s a bad combination when your image is presented to the public by the predominantly White media. So, despite being the AFL’s (and one of pro football’s) greatest running backs, he is on the outside of the Hall of Fame looking in.

            –Razzie was deleted from this site, I have never been.

          • Rasputin
            November 30, 2017

            “I never said they were perfect nor did I say their imperfections were “minor flaws.””

            Here’s what you said earlier: “And what is wrong with the Nation of Islam, Malcolm X and the Black Panthers?” – Joseph Wright

            You obviously didn’t know most of the stuff I’ve been educating you on regarding these groups, but you clearly like them and apparently agree with aspects of their bigoted doctrines.

            You’re a black nationalist, you have an anti-white chip on your shoulder, you don’t approve of interracial marriage, and your only problem with founding a separate black nation is your crazy fear that it would be destroyed by whites.

            “There is nothing wrong with having preferences, even personal prejudices.”

            Muhammad Ali’s opposition to interracial marriage in his NOI era went way beyond personal preference, as the quotes I posted above show. His friend Malcolm X, whom he supported at the time, opposed racial integration and the civil rights movement largely BECAUSE he opposed interracial marriage, arguing that it would destroy both races. That was standard NOI doctrine and Ali was an enthusiastic member.

            “Ali WAS right.”

            Wow. I disagree (even Ali later would disagree with his younger self), but your bigoted opinion is noted.

            Me: “I asked if you opposed blacks and whites marrying each other, not whether you personally had married a white woman, you cowardly moron. Ali was wrong.”

            Joseph Wright: “That would have been your immediate followup question, race-baiter. I can see it now, “OK, you’re not opposed, what color is your wife?” GTFOH.”

            Normally that incoherent dodge would be by far the dumbest thing someone had posted in an argument. For you it’s only slightly worse than average.

            Me: “Jews are an ETHNICITY as well as a religion”

            Joseph Wright: “Wrong. Semites are an ethnicity. Judaism, which terms its worshipers “Jewish,” is a religion.”

            Wrong, ignoramus. From your beloved Wikipedia (more on that later): “Jewish identity is also commonly defined through ethnicity. Opinion polls have suggested that the majority of Jews see being Jewish as predominantly a matter of ancestry and culture, rather than religion.[1][2]”

            I didn’t write that but it’s accurate.

            From Pew: “The notion that a person can be Jewish even without observing the Sabbath or believing in God may be tied to the idea held by many Jews that being Jewish is more about ancestry or culture than about religion. Indeed, a plurality of Jews in Israel (55%) and a majority in the U.S. (62%) say this is the case for them personally, although 23% in each country say their Jewish identity is about religion and ancestry/culture equally.”

            “Semite” is a broader term that includes Arabs, though “anti-Semitic” typically has a narrower meaning referring to anti-Jewish sentiment like that spewed by your Nation of Islam buddies.

            I meant to mock you last post for even trying to talk about Jews when you’re defending a group that routinely calls them “Satanic”, but I’m glad I didn’t and you felt emboldened to faceplant so spectacularly here.

            “I teach U.S. History. I have a degree and a teaching credential. STFU.”

            I hope this isn’t true. You can barely read and write. You literally just denied that Jews are an ethnicity. But it wouldn’t shock me if it is true. Leftists have seized control of the education system in recent decades and dumbed it down, resulting in mediocre high school test scores by international standards. True learning has been replaced by political indoctrination and various time wasting activities, though that’s more true in college humanities (while many college professors are morons, they’re usually not as dumb as you are, so I’m guessing you’re in the 3-12 grade range).

            I feel sorry for your students. They’re getting infantile garbage like the US war effort in Vietnam was just “another case of White folks trying to steal something that wasn’t theirs”. Ugh.

            “I have a degree”

            Only one? And you’re boasting about that? Regardless, if you got most of your historical “knowledge” from school rather than independent study on your own time from grade school on up because of passion for the subject then you’re already out of the game. You’re essentially just a low level (probably government) bureaucrat who’s doing more harm than good to children’s lives.

            You don’t just lack knowledge, however, you’ve repeatedly demonstrated that you’re a weak thinker.

            “History, young skinhead, you can ask me about it, you can’t tell me.”

            We’ve established that you don’t know the first thing about history. I’ve been teaching you and I’ll keep teaching you. Heck, I often taught my own teachers and all of them were much smarter than you are.

            “If any of my White students (past or present) have problems with me, my administration would have canned me a long time ago.”

            Hardly. Thanks to entrenched public unions it’s almost impossible to fire teachers short of some extreme scandal. That’s a big reason the education system currently sucks. And anti-white bigotry is pervasive in most universities. It’s often endorsed by the administration and encoded into conduct/speech guidelines. Wouldn’t shock me if plenty is tolerated in Oakland (or wherever you are).

            “You are not a historian at all. You simply go on Wikipedia, I guess, or get your dyed-in-the-wool Nazi, White Supremacist garbage from FOX News Channel, Klan propaganda, or White Supremacist/Nationalist literature.”

            Actually I posted most of the historical stuff on politics or geopolitics off the top of my head because I’ve studied this stuff so deeply throughout my life. When I do quickly look up something to brush up on precise facts here or there I use all sorts of sources, mostly books and articles. Regardless, to use sources for all the vast material I’ve posted schooling you would at least require one to already know enough to know where to look and what to look for, underscoring that you didn’t think through your dumb attack.

            What’s funny about your asinine stab in the dark is that I help WRITE Wikipedia. I’ve edited it for years with a regular account. It can be useful for some things but mostly as a source aggregation. I’d caution against relying on the prose without verifying what’s there. It tends to omit key facts. Plus, while it’s not as bad as it used to be, it still has an entrenched leftist bias, making your comment even funnier when juxtaposed with your following moronic lines.

            You still haven’t produced a single bigoted thing I’ve ever said. You’re the only documented racial bigot here, Joseph Wright.

            Any honest person reading this exchange can easily tell that my historical knowledge dwarfs yours. You’re not even in my league.

            Me: “You probably get mad when you see a white guy dating a black girl, don’t you, bigot?”

            Joseph Wright: “Why didn’t you flip it? If you are applying this to me, the question should have been “Do you get mad when you see a Black man with a White woman?””

            Why does it matter? So you get upset by one but not the other?

            “Then why aren’t you a fan of Jack Johnson?…. What about you, Razzie? The redneck will never answer THAT question, readers.”

            Huh? Talk about out of the blue straw grabbing. I haven’t mentioned Johnson, you idiot. He’s an historical figure but I don’t have strong feelings about him one way or the other.

            “He was Heavyweight Champ, from Texas, and had TWO White wives. He’s definitely one of my sports heroes.”

            One of those “imperfections” that you’re willing to look past?

            Me: “…but you can’t even bring yourself to denounce black nationalism once, you raging hypocrite?”

            Joseph Wright: “Hold up there, junior. I have asked you repeatedly with no direct answer to this day, Why was Warren Moon not drafted by the NFL after his senior year in college”

            Liar. I posted several lines on that irrelevant question way up on this page. Go back and look. And that’s the saddest attempt to change the subject while dodging a very relevant question I’ve seen in a long time. However, your repeated refusal to denounce black nationalism, combined with your stubborn praise for black nationalists and various bigoted comments, is a sort of answer.

            “Additionally I have asked you, Why did Thomas Jefferson own slaves?”

            He inherited them, halfwit.* That’s an even more irrelevant question.

            You still haven’t answered my highly pertinent question about why my “drop in the bucket” post you kept whining about earlier hasn’t been deleted. You claimed that all racist posts get deleted here. You also claimed that my post was racist (it isn’t). The post is still there. Whoops, you bigoted, projection prone moron, there’s a contradiction! So which statement do you retract, coward? Or are you too much of a wuss to answer?

            “So Texas has done that AND got John Kennedy killed. Way to go, Dallas! He was ONLY the President of the United States.”

            Kennedy was killed by far left winger Lee Harvey Oswald, someone whose politics was way more in line with yours than mine. And you want to start comparing Oakland and Dallas murder rates?

            “Abdul-Jabbar was NEVER a member of the NOI.”

            That’s the one thing you picked out of everything I posted? I didn’t say he was a card carrying member. I listed three guys, two of whom were very prominent NOI members, and lumped him in for brevity because he had been influenced by Malcolm X, the mentor who converted him was a former high ranking NOI leader, and he associated with NOI members. Kareem claims to have not been as political or racial in his views as X or Ali (some of his comments indicate otherwise), but he’s admitted in interviews that they were fringe enough that, like Ali, his views changed in the 1970s after traveling abroad and studying his adopted religion more closely. He claims to have eventually rejected some of the views that his mentor (and future terrorist) had taught him.

            What matters is that Kareem came to have a negative opinion of the NOI. In other words he came to see that there things seriously “wrong” with them. That was my point, one you’re lamely trying to dodge.

            “That stumble off the big stage you made when you termed those “stupid comments” of Jim Brown and Abdul-Jabbar about Ali, that I had to correct you about (they weren’t tributes after his death; the statements were made while Ali was well alive)”

            MY Kareem Abdul Jabbar quote was made after Ali’s death, and came from a set of comments very similar to the ones you posted. You didn’t source any of your quotes and I didn’t identify or comment on any specific one of them because they were a pointless distraction. I asked a QUESTION (note the curvy punctuation at the end). You didn’t correct anything, moron. You didn’t even do a good job answering it.

            Back to substance, I couldn’t care less what Jim Brown or Kareem have to say on this topic (I’m still waiting for Brown to back up his idiotic boast about being faster than Franco Harris, lol; certainly neither man knew anything about Vietnam or the Cold War), except to the extent that your own character reference undermines your position.

            “Stumble off the big stage”, LOL? You get even more pathetic when you’re desperate. Stumbling off the big stage and smacking face first would be you denying that Jews are an ethnicity.

            “Recommendations: The Autobiography of Malcolm X; Jim Brown: Out of Bounds; Second Wind-Bill Russell; Giant Steps-Kareem Abdul-Jabbar: Black Profiles in Courage-Kareem Abdul-Jabbar; QuarterBlack-Doug Williams; Never Give Up on Your Dream-Warren Moon; Alex Haley: The Playboy Interviews.”

            Not very diverse. I recommend breaking out your little bubble by reading material other than that which reinforces your racial chauvinism.

            Me: “Blacks switched parties because they liked FDR’s economic liberalism more than they disliked the Democrats’ segregation. Period.”

            Joseph Wright: “What the hell gives YOUR ignorant White racist ass the knowledge to say why Blacks left the Republicans for the Democratic Party. So YOU (Lord help us) are a spokesman for Black people? Is THAT right? STFU.”

            So you’re saying blacks were attracted by the Democrats’ support for segregation?

            And since when does one have to be a member of a particular group to make objective observations about them? You suck as an historian, lol. Heck, since you weren’t around in the 1930s even you aren’t qualified to talk about this by your logic, or to make all your comments about white people or conduct your ignorant bleating on all sorts of topics.

            “You lost it, and your credibility, with this right here: “…if I had to win one game I’d take Romo over Elway without hesitation. Probably not Cunningham though.” Ridiculous. Elway and Cunningham were FAR better QBs than Romo. Tony Romo was NEVER a great QB.”

            Career Passer Rating

            Romo – 97.1
            Cunningham – 81.5
            Elway – 79.9

            “You’ve falsely accused me of YOUR myopic thinking. “The only reason you like (Randall Cunningham) is because he’s Black.””

            No, you bigoted moron, you’re the only one here judging people by their skin color. You raised and have been excessively hyping both Cunningham and Doug Williams to an absurd degree AFTER complaining about alleged racism directed against them (real and imagined).

            “If that was the case, I’d have also gotten with the likes of Quincy Carter, Rodney Peete, Charlie Batch, Kordell Stewart, RGIII, and JaMarcus Russell,”

            That doesn’t logically follow at all. Just because you select certain players to champion based on skin color doesn’t mean you’re going to hype up every player of the same race. Please tell me you’re not really a teacher. Traffic school maybe, but not history or anything else intellectually vital.

            “…Louis Farrakhan saying that Jews created U.S. slavery and owned slaves here in America. Many African Americans would be practicing Jews and sporting names like “Liebowitz,” “Rosenbloom,” Spielberg,” and “Goldstein.” And you said I “worship” him? That would be like worshipping (oh, Lord)…YOU! NO WAY!”

            Does that mean you finally now see some significant things are “wrong” with the Nation of Islam (answering your earlier question)?

            “Let’s take Miss Black America, as an example. First winner was named in 1921. It took 63 years before you had a Black winner or Runner-up before Vanessa Williams and Suzette Charles emerged in 1984. There were no Beautiful, poised, intelligent Black women before then? So, we created our own contest. Same as the Negro Leagues, The Harlem Globetrotters, Ebony Magazine, Jet Magazine, The United Negro College Fund: Blacks were frozen out by White racists from sources that are claimed to be across the board but were denied to Blacks, so we built our own version. Totally within the law.”

            And completely anachronistic. Many blacks have competed in the mainstream beauty contests and numerous blacks have won. College aid hasn’t racially discriminated in a very long time, except for black only outfits like the United Negro College Fund. Even the name is anachronistic. So why do these things still exist? BET was founded in the 1980s, not the 1950s, and really got big in the 1990s. Black dating sites obviously even more recently. Black chauvinism seems to be increasing rather than fading away, partly because there’s been very little push back.

            The truth is that organizations almost never vote themselves out of existence without some type of pressure to do so. It’s long past time for society to start applying that pressure, and to encourage assimilation into a common American culture rather than cultivating race-based identities and seeking to permanently entrench racial divisions.

            “As for Black History Month being “not something needed since Blacks are covered in general history,” that shows your bigotry, racism, and overall stupidity. The contributions of Blacks in U.S. and overall history books are suppressed or outright eliminated. The only chance you have to read about Blacks in general U.S. history books are slavery and the Civil Rights Movement.”

            You’re wrong, but by using “contributions” you just confirmed what I said about Black History being a cheerleading session, lol. For example, you didn’t mention objective, serious analysis, let alone any hint of NEGATIVE impact by black people. Real historical study isn’t about seeking to boost self esteem regarding one’s skin color. It’s about analyzing the past to learn what happened, find out how the world works, and better understand the present. Most white people are never mentioned in history class either, but traditionally most individuals studied in US history have been white simply because a supermajority of Americans are white. Their skin color isn’t what makes them special. If you’re sick of seeing a bunch of white faces in books (or anywhere else in society) then that’s your problem and racial hangup.

            Of course with Marxist New Leftists dominating humanities today, real historical study has largely been replaced with insipid group-based study where it’s more about bashing whites and exalting aggrieved victim demographics than actually learning what happened in context and understanding how the world got to this point. If you want mindless cheerleading of non-white racial groups (and women) there’s plenty of that all 12 months of the year.

            “However, in Texas…https://www.nytimes.com/2015/10/22/opinion/how-texas-teaches-history.html. This NEVER happens in MY classes.”

            LOL! Yeah in your classes students “learn” that Jews aren’t an ethnic group and that white people try to take what isn’t theirs.

            The NY Times is a crap source anyway, but you linked to an opinion piece by liberal hack who mostly uses Jezebel as HER source, LOL. Jezebel is the fringe feminist blog that’s so stupid and obnoxious that even reasonable liberals complain about it. Her moronic piece takes a single word out of context, “workers”, and whines about it. I guarantee that textbook used the word “slave” many, many times (the idiot even quotes it doing that several times later in the same piece!). Yes, slaves were brought over to work in fields. They were workers. I promise there’s nothing sinister about that one word. It didn’t call them “hired” workers. There’s no pro slavery agenda, LOL.

            Even textbooks in Texas have a liberal bias. I know first hand. If they’ve moved somewhat to the center in recent years then awesome. But leftist activists always claim everything is too “right wing”. They lie. Remember I quoted former Black Panther Eldridge Cleaver confessing that they lied easily as a basic tactic. I could have quoted Saul Alinsky, Joseph Stalin, liberal reporters in exposed Journolist discussions, or any number of leftist strategists saying the same thing. “By any means necessary”. Heck, you lie in every post. For example, I’m not a “skin head”, “Nazi”, “white supremacist”, or “bigot”. Unlike you, I’ve denounced racial nationalism in all its colors.

            What’s sad is that the textbook company instantly rolled over when the lunatic complained and even offered to send out stickers to cover the offending (gasp!) word until the new, changed editions were out, LOL. That underscores what I said earlier about how different society is now from several decades ago. Companies are so terrified of even a hint of a “racism” accusation against them that they immediately buckle often to even ludicrous demands by black activists.

            A few years ago the NAACP (another once great, now anachronistic, partisan, and even bigoted outfit) held a press conference condemning Hallmark for an electronic, talking graduation card that they felt used the phrase “black whores”. It didn’t. It was a fun little astronomy themed card that mentioned “black holes”, along with various other space objects. It had absolutely nothing to do with race and wasn’t demeaning to any people. Despite the insane stupidity of the complaint, Hallmark immediately rolled over and pulled the card from stores.

            If you have to make up crap like that or get outraged over slaves being correctly identified (once!) as “workers”, then you’re desperately scraping the bottom of the barrel looking for examples of alleged “racism”. There must not be much real racism around, at least not directed at your group.

            Meanwhile our aforementioned broken college system is producing crap like this recent article:

            “Whiteness…Your DNA is an Abomination…

            When I think of all the white people I have ever encountered – whether they’ve been professors, peers, lovers, friend, police officers, et cetera – there is perhaps only a dozen I would consider ‘decent…Ontologically speaking, white death will mean liberation for all… Until then, remember this: I hate you because you shouldn’t exist. You are both the dominant apparatus on the planet and the void in which all other cultures, upon meeting you, die.”

            And paper is at Texas State University (a public, tax payer funded school), not Berkeley CA. The deranged (but not atypical) author, Rudy Martinez, sounds a lot like you. Can you imagine the societal/media apocalypse that would occur if his…or your.. comments remained the same but “white” was changed to “black”?

            “Like President Barack Obama said, “Change We Can Believe In.””

            Do you think Obama ever learned how to pronounce “corpsman”?
            That was awesome how he dropped the “mike” (phone) on that late show after saying Trump would never be president, right before Trump became president, started rolling back the incompetent Obama’s legacy, and trying to introduce POSITIVE change.

            The rest of your post consisted of already discredited lies that are so petty and stupid they merit no further response. You can’t even teach those kids honesty or mature behavior by example.

            *For the record Jefferson also condemned the slave trade and wrote extensively in opposition to slavery, though he thought it needed to be ended the right way or else suddenly freed, uneducated blacks would face crushing problems.

          • Joseph Wright
            November 30, 2017

            “Ali was ignorant for much of his life,” “McNabb was too dumb…,” “You can barely read and write.” “Stupid comments by Brown and Jabbar…”. So have a fixation on the stereotype that Blacks are unintelligent. Razzie–“Show me an intelligent Black person and I’ll show you a good shoe-shiner who keeps his mouth shut.” Whew.

            –Once again, if, for the sake of an argument, being in the Nation of Islam is ignorant, Ali was ignorant for 12 years–not “much.” Given that you conceded that after being schooled by me, as cowardly usual you moved the yardsticks and lumped in the first 20 years of Ali’s life when he was a Baptist. So, NOI’s AND Baptists are ignorant. So you’re a racist and a xenophobe. SMH.

            –So young redneck who has “taught” me (only the absolute authority on Muhammad Ali, at least in THIS conversation) about The Greatest, what were some examples of Ali ignorance before he discovered Islam?
            –Although it was inexcusable to not be aware of the NFL’s long-standing sudden death rule, McNabb was generally considered a fine decision-maker and was the first ever NFL QB to have a season of 30+ TD passes with less than 10 INTs. That’s dumb? Oh, that’s right. You take your cues from Cliff Harris overrated ass. You know, the guy who kept referring to the ’70s Steelers QB as “dumb-ass Bradshaw” even as the real “dumb-ass” (Yes, Harris, dumbass. Keep up) kept getting burned by his passes to receivers he couldn’t run with (John Stallworth) or jump with (Lynn Swann). LOL!!!

            –Why were Brown and Abdul-Jabbar’s (not “Jabbar,” dumbass), termed stupid but Bill Russell, Dr. King, and Joe Frazier, who basically said the same thing–certainly expressed the same sentiments–weren’t subject to your racist attack? Either the last three (that would include Dr. King) were also “stupid” or the first two were right, just like the last three. Meaning Ali’s refusal to be inducted in the U.S. Military during the Vietnam war was right. Which is it?

            –I have written many times on this website and have NEVER been deleted. Only an illiterate, blubbering, racist, idiot would EVER get deleted.
            Let’s take an example:
            “Are you freaking kidding me? I post thoughtful (*cough*, *cough*), fact-based (sheeeeiit) replies to both of David O’Brien’s idiotic ad hominem posts above and MY posts get deleted?!?! It’s certainly not a “conversation” if the other side doesn’t get a chance to speak. I’ve been a regular on this site for a long time and I don’t recall ever having or seeing posts deleted.” LOL!!! LMFAO!!! LOL!!! ROTFLMFAO!!! I LOOOOVVVE that meltdown. The first and ONLY deletion in the HISTORY of Talkoffamenetwork.com. Hysterical!!! Hilarious!!! That is the epitome of the racist, skinheaded, redneck troll we know as “Rasputin.” TOOOOO MUCH! Never been deleted, huh? LOL!!! What I tell ya!!! HA! HA! HA!! Don’t worry, Razzie, that history-making deletion that you foolishly got is only “a drop in the bucket!” LOL!!!

            If I could NOT read, I would never have been able to offer you some much-suggested reading: World Book Encyclopedia; Encyclopedia Brittanica; The Autobiography of Malcolm X; Jim Brown: Out of Bounds; Second Wind-Bill Russell; Giant Steps-Kareem Abdul-Jabbar: Black Profiles in Courage-Kareem Abdul-Jabbar; QuarterBlack-Doug Williams; Never Give Up on Your Dream-Warren Moon; Alex Haley: The Playboy Interviews.

            Check out the narrow-minded redneck’s response, readers: “Not very diverse. I recommend breaking out your little bubble by reading material other than that which reinforces your racial chauvinism.” So, interviews with Johnny Carson, Melvin Belli, Sammy Davis Jr., and an autobiography of his “Poster Boy” Warren Moon (yeah, right) is not very diverse. No wonder this racist hides behind the troll name “Rasputin.” Racists are usually cowards.

            Rasputin: “Blacks switched parties because they liked FDR’s economic liberalism more than they disliked the Democrats’ segregation. Period.”

            That isn’t why Blacks switched. They saw that FDR was going to work to end segregation. The benefits of his economic liberalism would come later.

          • Rasputin
            December 1, 2017

            You just repeated a bunch of lies I’ve already debunked (boring), Joseph Wright, while dodging again on questions about your support for black nationalism and opposition to interracial marriage, you cowardly, bigoted, moron. I guess exposing your lies about my “drop in the bucket” post (which is still there, undeleted) and your contradictory statements finished you. You didn’t even try to respond to that. If Howard Cosell were here he’d be saying “Down goes Joseph Wright! Down goes Joseph Wright!” You’re done, chump. You can go now.

            You’re the only one between the two of us who’s ever posted anything racist here. As I crushed you on the Cliff Harris debate (he was rightly voted first team 1970s All Decade) and other topics on the Lee Roy Jordan page with that “sledgehammer” of undeniable, overwhelming statistical proof, I’ll keep hitting you below with a sledgehammer documenting your racial bigotry.

            Have a Merry Christmas.

          • Joseph Wright
            December 2, 2017

            Debunked?” Hardly. You ducked the challenge of showing examples of “ignorant” things Ali was guilty of in his 20 years BEFORE he discovered Islam.

            You also failed to answer the question of why you cowardly excluded Dr. King, Bill Russell, and Joe Frazier from the “stupid comments” crack directed toward Jim Brown and Kareem Abdul-Jabbar (which you incorrectly and ignorantly claimed were made after Ali’s death), even though they were saying the same thing: Ali was right for opposing the Vietnam war. Why weren’t King, Russell and Frazier’s comments “stupid?”

            As for yet another pathetic, libelous meltdown by you, let’s let the readers be entertained again:
            “You’re a black nationalist, you have an anti-white chip on your shoulder, you don’t approve of interracial marriage, and your only problem with founding a separate black nation is your crazy fear that it would be destroyed by whites.” Please get this redneck a Confederate flag to wipe the snot and drivel off his face. None of that is remotely true. However, here is some truthful insight into a vile racist (whose name is STILL kept secret from us. Translation–troll):

            ” I oppose racial double standards. Racism is racism,” Yet he can’t even admit the NFL froze Warren Moon (“I had a poster of Warren Moon growing up.” Yeah, right) out of the 1978 NFL Draft because he was Black. He won’t even say it.

            “We’ve also established that I’m not a racist…” What do you mean “we,” redneck? Not acknowledging racism is a key element to keep it going. Once again, Why was Warren Moon not drafted by the NFL (Come on, 3rd round? 7th round? 11th round? TWEFLTH Round?) after his senior year (PAC-8 Player of the Year; Rose Bowl MVP)? Razzie will NEVER give a direct answer. He will never finger the NFL for racism on this one. It is SO obvious why this happened to Moon.

            –“Black History Month” (a cheerleading session, not something needed since blacks are covered in general history), the Black Entertainment Channel, etc.. Imagine the outcry if White versions of any of these things were proposed.” First off, Blacks are covered in slavery and the Civil Rights movement and that’s about it in U.S. History books, Mr. “Everything is all right as it is now.” It’s Black Entertainment Television (BET), redneck-living-in-the-Confederate-Cocoon. Hey, skinhead, you brag so much about how you know more about Blacks and our history than me (that’s a dumbass White Supremacist concept right there), why was BET created? And oh, by the way, Whites have their networks and channels. They’re called ABC, NBC, CBS, FOX. They have Black and other non-White on- and off-camera talent when they feel like hiring it. That’s why Black, Latin, and Asian networks are needed. It helps to nullify a total Whiteout.

            _“…President John Kennedy (who the city of Dallas let get shot–way to go, Big D!),”–Me

            “You mean the Secret Service who was in charge of his security, LOL?”–Rasputin. Nice touch. LOL on a man (only the President of the U.S.) getting shot to death. SMH. Whenever the U.S. President is going to be a guest in any city, knucklehead, the Secret Service is to be supplemented with that city’s law enforcement and security organizations. And he was going through a parade. There is clearly a Point A and a Point B. All the route must be covered, dumbass. Dallas failed and let the U.S. President get shot and killed.

            We know why Razzie is the racist bigot that he is. Texas has the track record that has contaminated him:

            Texas is LAST state to free its slaves (“Let’s work ’em for another month and 10 days.”)

            Kennedy (A president building programs to help Black people) assassinated in Dallas.

            Ali convicted of draft evasion in Houston by an all-White jury (Really? A “jury of his peers?” Obviously, they didn’t believe in Freedom of Religion. That was the basis of his conscientious objector stand. Now Donald Trump, now THAT’S a draft-dodger!).

            Shawn Berry, Lawrence Russell Brewer, and John King dragged James Byrd for three miles behind a pick-up truck along an asphalt road in Jasper, Texas. “That wasn’t racist. Berry, Brewer, and King gave him a free ride,”–Rasputin. Good Lord. “And besides, he (Byrd) was alleged to have .0000000001 percent of marijuana in his system.”–More Rasputin racist garbage. SMH.

            Texas school system changes books to eliminate the words “slave” and “slavery.” Anything to give a pass to White racists.

            “I’m sure your parents are celebrating today (November 22). That “great day” of Dallas negligence (was it REALLY “negligence?” I have read and heard many stories of Southern rednecks shooting their guns in the air, wild drinking, and cheers of “We finally got him,” etc.) November 22, 1963.”-Me

            “Sure you have, bigot. Sure you have. By ‘we’ are you referring to communist ‘rednecks’, given that JFK was murdered by extreme left winger Lee Harvey Oswald over JFK’s staunch anti-communist stance, especially against Cuba’s Fidel Castro?”–Rasputin

            No, dumbass. Southern White racist rednecks like you. Just one of many examples of Southern Whites glee at Dallas’ willful negligence in collaborating on what should have been a team effort in protecting President Kennedy: “(President Kennedy’s) assassination was thrilling news for the White country club members. Several of them came running out the clubhouse, where I worked as a caddy, like the place was on fire, yelling and ya-hooing. A few of them whipped out rifles and handguns and fired off shots in the air. I had never seen White people act so happy…’We got him! We got him good didn’t we, boy?”–Spencer Haywood. Those weren’t communists (like Trump’s buddy Putin is; what a hypocrite you are; you don’t have a problem with TRUMP endorsing AND shaking hands with the communist leader of Russia), just White racist bigots who would be brimming with pride reading your ignorance today. They would definitely love your giving Thomas Jefferson a complete pass on owning slaves. “He inherited them.” What a pathetic excuse. Your racism never ends, does it, Razzie? If Jefferson was a decent man, he would have freed them immediately. Jefferson, being the cruel, racist hypocrite that he was, wanted to exploit all the work, sex and other benefits he could out of these people he saw as subhuman.

            “There is nothing wrong with having preferences, even personal prejudices.” – Joseph Wright. Wrong. And thanks for taking a quote from BILL RUSSELL (I guess we ALL look alike to you) totally out of context.

            “’No, I never condoned Malcolm X’s glee over the 120 Whites who died in the plane crash. However, it’s not like HE killed them. Like Hitler murdered millions of people.’” – Joseph Wright (perhaps the most surreal excuse ever)” Huge difference in someone’s glee in others accidental death in contrast to actually engineering the plan/performing the murder, idiot. I say I never condoned X’s statement and that is an “excuse?” Get a dictionary, dumbass. Nowhere near the cop-out of “Jefferson didn’t buy his slaves, he inherited them.” Amazing.

            “So you’ll embrace the “greatness” of the White individual (Jefferson) but see no greatness in the Black individual (X/Shabazz)?” – Joseph Wright. The slave owner/rapist was “great.” The ex-NOI member who changed his views and continued to fight racism was not. More racism from Rasputin. Lying about “I don’t believe in racial double-standards,” again. BTW, before he joined NOI, Malcolm X never HAD to rape the White women he had eyes on. They came on to HIM.

            ““3) I am not with the ultramodest dress code for the women. I like to know what a woman with a pretty face is working with, body-wise and hair-wise.
            4) I love ham sandwiches, barbecued ribs, and pork hotlinks way too much to give them up to convert to Islam.”” – Joseph Wright (explaining why he hasn’t yet joined the Nation of Islam). “Yet?” I have never had the desire to join.

            Rasputin: “Jews are an ETHNICITY as well as a religion”
            Joseph Wright: “Wrong. Semites are an ethnicity. Judaism, which terms its worshipers “Jewish,” is a religion.” (the self proclaimed “history teacher” explaining that Jews supposedly aren’t an ethnicity). They are not an ethnicity, dumbass. Judaism (and being “Jewish”) is a religion.

            “The first part is a no-win answer best expressed by Ali: “I being persecuted by White people for saying I don’t want to be with a White woman. Chubby Checker is catching hell from Whites for marrying one!” I’ll make a deal with you, Razzie. Show me a picture of you and your Black wife, then I’ll go further. Deal?” – Joseph Wright (defending the NOI’s opposition to interracial marriage). We still haven’t seen a picture of Razzie’s Black wife. Of course, I have a Black wife so Razzie will say “See! I TOLD you he’s a racist!” BTW, whenever I see a Black woman with a White guy, I say, “Oh well. Her loss.” Doesn’t bother me one bit.

            I recommended you get out of your racist shell and read some other sources.
            “Recommendations: The Autobiography of Malcolm X; Jim Brown: Out of Bounds; Second Wind-Bill Russell; Giant Steps-Kareem Abdul-Jabbar: Black Profiles in Courage-Kareem Abdul-Jabbar; QuarterBlack-Doug Williams; Never Give Up on Your Dream-Warren Moon; Alex Haley: The Playboy Interviews.”-Me

            Rasputin response:
            “Not very diverse.” Translation readers: Too Black for me. I don’t read Black writers.=RACISM.

            Your KKK parents would be very proud of you, redneck.

            Happy Kwanzaa!!

          • Rasputin
            December 2, 2017

            Joseph Wright Hall of Shame
            (Renovated)

            “Name one White has ever publicly called another White in the NFL out for being a racist. It doesn’t happen. It’s covered up.” – Joseph Wright (explaining that he refuses to even ask Rick Gosselin, Clark Judge, and Ron Borges, who all know Paul Zimmerman, for their opinion about his claim that Zimmerman is “racist” because they’re white and he assumes they’ll all lie to protect a fellow white)

            “It is the overall sports journalists’ code, the same one that led Michael Wilbon to shamefully try to cover for the White writer…” – Joseph Wright (explaining that on top of being white, he also thinks Rick Gosselin, Ron Borges, and Clark Judge would lie to protect fellow writers)

            “And what is wrong with the Nation of Islam, Malcolm X and the Black Panthers?” – Joseph Wright

            “Harris was a White man and, when it came time to defend Lynn Swann, he couldn’t jump.” – Joseph Wright

            “You White folks seem to change the meaning all the time.” – Joseph Wright

            “White safeties like Cliff Harris, Larry Wilson, and Charlie Waters WERE garbage in the ’70s and beyond.” – Joseph Wright

            “…players like Harris, Larry Wilson, Dick Anderson, Blackwood Brothers were relics from the 60s who couldn’t hold up against modern athletes” – Joseph Wright

            “It’s players like Cliff Harris, Larry Wilson, Dick Anderson and Bill Bates that USC’s Sam Cunningham exploited that gave Paul “Bear” Bryant the vision and validation (to closed-minded, in-denial Confederates) to update his talent pool. The Larry Wilsons and Cliff Harrises were out and the Tatums and Ken Houstons were in” – Joseph Wright (among other things, exhibiting timeline and geography confusion)

            “Cliff Harris was on the track team (lol)? What’d he do? Throw the javelin? Run the mile? Poll vault? I KNOW it wasn’t the sprints or the high-jump. LMFAO!!!” – Joseph Wright (Harris was actually a collegiate sprinter)

            “Harris couldn’t run OR jump” – Joseph Wright (actually Harris posted an impressive 39 inch vertical in a scouting test)

            “Another case of White folks trying to steal something that wasn’t theirs” – Joseph Wright (his characterization of the US war effort and sacrifice against communists in the Vietnam War)

            “Whites like you have a far worse track record of inhumanity to non-Whites.” – Joseph Wright (judging people by the color of their skin rather than the content of their character)

            “”White people are my enemy.” That statement by Ali is nowhere near to close to showing he is a racist or bigot” – Joseph Wright (defending Muhammad Ali’s bigoted Nation of Islam phase that even Ali disowned years later)

            “The first part is a no-win answer best expressed by Ali: “I being persecuted by White people for saying I don’t want to be with a White woman. Chubby Checker is catching hell from Whites for marrying one!” I’ll make a deal with you, Razzie. Show me a picture of you and your Black wife, then I’ll go further. Deal?” – Joseph Wright (defending the NOI’s opposition to interracial marriage)

            “Ali WAS right.” – Joseph Wright (agreeing with Ali’s opposition to interracial marriage during his NOI phase)

            “That’s not separatism, that’s common sense.” – Joseph Wright

            “BTW, whenever I see a Black woman with a White guy, I say, “Oh well. Her loss.” – Joseph Wright (admitting he is bothered by seeing interracial couples, enough so that he has to reassure himself that black people are better white people; astonishingly he appeared to be attempting damage control after his earlier statements, ignorant to the fact that he just dug his hole deeper)

            Rasputin: “Jews are an ETHNICITY as well as a religion”
            Joseph Wright: “Wrong. Semites are an ethnicity. Judaism, which terms its worshipers “Jewish,” is a religion.” (the self-proclaimed “history teacher” denying that the Jewish people exist as an ethnicity, “Semites” being a broader term that includes Arabs)

            “They are not an ethnicity, dumbass. Judaism (and being “Jewish”) is a religion.” – Joseph Wright (doubling down on a position that would surprise the huge number of secular Jews, the state of Israel, and educated people around the world)

            “Even if Blacks were giving an ample piece of land (e.g, the state of California), I would still be skeptical. I take my cues from my father: “If that happened, some White racists…would build a powerful bomb…and aim it!” – Joseph Wright (giving his practical reason for being reluctant to support a black-only nation carved out of the US)

            “Ali said, “I don’t hate nobody and I ain’t lynched nobody. We Muslims don’t hate the White man. It’s like we don’t hate a tiger. But we know that a tiger’s nature is not compatible with people’s nature since they love to eat people. So we don’t want to live with tigers. It’s the same with the White man. The White race attacks Black people. They don’t ask what’s your religion, what’s your belief? They just start whupping heads.” That’s not racism. That’s common since fostered by survival instinct.” – Joseph Wright (defending Ali’s support for racial separation due to whites’ alleged inherent “nature” during his bigoted NOI phase; the statement was in accordance with NOI doctrine that whites are subhuman “devils” created by an evil ancient scientist, the biblical Jacob, more commonly known as the father of the Israelites and today’s Jews; Nation of Islam leaders routinely refer to Jews as “Satanic”)

            “As for the Panthers breaking Shakur out of prison…Are you serious? Do you also believe in the Tooth Fairy, The Easter Bunny, and Santa Claus? LOL!…. Her escape was obviously an inside job and the prison was covering for itself with that documented lie.” – Joseph Wright (commenting on convicted cop killer and Black Panther Assata Shakur’s escape from prison and subsequent flight to Cuba with the help of armed Black Panther comrades)

            “No, I never condoned Malcolm X’s glee over the 120 Whites who died in the plane crash. However, it’s not like HE killed them. Like Hitler murdered millions of people.” – Joseph Wright (perhaps the most surreal excuse for vile hatred and evil sentiment ever)

            “So you’ll embrace the “greatness” of the White individual (Jefferson) but see no greatness in the Black individual (X/Shabazz)?” – Joseph Wright (comparing Malcolm X favorably to Thomas Jefferson)

            ““3) I am not with the ultramodest dress code for the women. I like to know what a woman with a pretty face is working with, body-wise and hair-wise.
            4) I love ham sandwiches, barbecued ribs, and pork hotlinks way too much to give them up to convert to Islam.”” – Joseph Wright (explaining why he hasn’t yet joined the Nation of Islam)

            “Of course, I have a Black wife” – Joseph Wright (it’s unclear if his wife is aware of the full reasons for his reluctance to become Muslim as given above)

            “Two, as long as White racists behave toward Blacks as they have been (behaving racistly, violently, discriminatinatory) why would any Black individual want to stay amongst people that are mistreating them?” – Joseph Wright (conflating white people with “racists” in a rationale for racial separatism)

            “I teach U.S. History. I have a degree and a teaching credential.” – Joseph Wright

            That last quote may be the most disturbing one of all.

          • Joseph Wright
            December 4, 2017

            “So you’ll embrace the “greatness” of the White individual (Jefferson) but see no greatness in the Black individual (X/Shabazz)?” – Joseph Wright (comparing Malcolm X favorably to Thomas Jefferson)-Rasputin

            Hardly. I would NEVER compare the great Malcolm X (never owned slaves nor raped women) to the “great” Thomas Jefferson (racist, bigot, slave owner–whether he bought slaves or ‘inherited’ slaves doesn’t matter, you dumbass redneck, he still OWNED them–and rapist). By the way, Dr. King never cited Jefferson, just the LETTER of what he wrote “…We hold these truths to be self-evident that all men are created equal.” King definitely was NOT citing the SPIRIT of Jefferson’s writing: “…We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all WHITE men are created equal.” You know, just like your boy Trump, “Make America Great Again.” Translation: “Make America White Again.” In that classic news documentary the late, great TV newsman Mike Wallace made, “The Hate (Nation of Islam) that Hate (White racists in America) Produced,” Malcolm X, Elijah Muhammad, and Muhammad Ali told the actual truth as I have tried to tell you: We (NOI/Black people) didn’t create the racial problem in America, we diagnosed it (White racism). Mike Wallace and Howard Cossell were pros. Unlike Bill O’Reilly, Mike Huckabee, and (SHEEEIIIIT) Glenn Beck.

            “Harris was a White man and, when it came time to defend Lynn Swann, he couldn’t jump. – Joseph Wright.” If he had a “39 inch vertical leap,”–yeah, right–why was Swann (“covered” by Harris) able to make the leaping TD in the back of the endzone in Super Bowl XIII (which proved to be the winning points; great job by “the best free safety of the 70s,” Way to go semi-Skinhead! Harris had the fully-receded hairline his whole career)? Last I checked, White Men Can’t Jump was a box-office hit, a critically acclaimed comedy, and has never been banned. And Robin Roberts nor Magic Johnson were ever reprimanded for similar cracks on Dan Marino and Larry Bird. Just like I’ve never been deleted from this website but you have been deleted from this website. Only a racist, bigoted moron would get deleted. LOL!!! Give me the date and quote where I said you were deleted for the “drops in a bucket” statement, liar. I never said it. I definitely said that it must have been something even worse than that dumb “drops in a bucket” comment. Whatever, you exposed your racist, bigoted self and they pulled the plug on your White racist ass. LMAO!!! It has never happened to me. Because: A) I speak the truth, not racism B) I don’t ABUSE my freedom of speech C) I’m a clearer thinker and just plain smarter than you.

            “White safeties like Cliff Harris, Larry Wilson, and Charlie Waters WERE garbage in the ’70s and beyond.” – Joseph Wright. Yes, White safeties that were slow and unathletic, like Harris, Wilson, and Waters. Mike Wagner, Jake Scott, Tim Fox, Gary Fencik, Doug Plank, and Vann McElroy made out great. All were greater than Harris. Wagner, Scott, Fox, Fencik, Plank, and McElroy were unlike Harris, Wilson, and Waters. They could jump and run with anyone. What part of “like” don’t you understand? It’s a preposition, numbskull. The “Harris was actually a collegiate sprinter” quote is misleading. Harris “sprinted” against segregated (i.e., all-White) competition. Speaking of Super Bowl XIII, where were Harris’ “sprinting” skills on the last 40 yards of John Stallworth’s then record-tying 75-yard TD. or 61-yard TD runs by Franco Harris AND Earl Campbell (Obviously, Earl wasn’t taking that “Superstars”–Cliff Harris a superstar? LOL!!!–competition too seriously). It’s all on film. LMFAO!!!

            “It’s players like Cliff Harris, Larry Wilson, Dick Anderson and Bill Bates that USC’s Sam Cunningham exploited that gave Paul “Bear” Bryant the vision and validation (to closed-minded, in-denial Confederates) to update his talent pool. The Larry Wilsons and Cliff Harrises were out and the Tatums and Ken Houstons were in” – Joseph Wright (among other things, exhibiting timeline and geography confusion). “Geograpy confusion?” Again, what part of “like” don’t you understand? It’s a preposition, numbskull.

            Still no comment on your girl, Megyn Kelly, actually admitting that White Privilege DOES exist. Rasputin: (*crickets*) For those of you curious about Kelly’s comments see: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YlsS8J4HH78

            Bill O’Reilly and Megyn Kelly Argue About ‘White Privilege’
            http://www.youtube.com
            Bill O’Reilly and Megyn Kelly Argue About ‘White Privilege’

            Still ducking the question of whether comments on Ali’s Vietnam war opposition from Dr. Martin Luther King, Bill Russell, and Joe Frazier (Jim Brown and Kareem Abdul-Jabbar weren’t the only ones to praise Ali’s stand) were also “stupid.” By supporting Ali, was Dr. King, as you would put it, “on the wrong side of history?” Of course, readers, Razzie’s too cowardly to answer those questions. White racism (expressed by Razzie all over this site) in America is a by-product of irrational fear. Speaking of irrational fear…

            After I suggested he needs to read the World Book Encyclopedia and Encyclopedia Brittanica instead of the White racist, conservative trash he has contaminated his brain with, I also offered some other suggestions. They were: The Autobiography of Malcolm X; Out of Bounds-Jim Brown; Second Wind-Bill Russell; Giant Steps-Kareem Abdul-Jabbar; Alex Haley:The Playboy Interviews; Black Profiles in Courage-Kareem Abdul-Jabbar; QuarterBlack-Doug Williams; Never Give Up on Your Dream-Warren Moon (“I had a poster of Warren Moon on my wall growing up.” Bull). Rasputin’s response: “Not diverse enough.” Translation: “Too Black. I won’t read ANYTHING not written by a White person.” Closed minded bigotry and racism, pure and simple. So much for Muhammad Ali: His Life and Times or The Autobiography of Jack Johnson. SMH

            Cookie Gilchrist supported Ali’s stand against the Vietman war. And Colin Kaepernick continues to get praise (despite the NFL owners freezing him out). Gentleman’s Quarterly recently named Kaepernick “GQ Citizen of the Year” and Sports Illustrated will be giving him this year’s Muhammad Ali Legacy Award. Cookie would be proud.

          • Joseph Wright
            December 4, 2017

            Some clarification is much-needed for new readers. THESE are meltdowns, ALL from Rasputin:

            “Are you freaking kidding me? I post thoughtful, fact-based replies to both of David O’Brien’s idiotic ad hominem posts above and MY posts (yes, they are…were?–YOUR posts.They did get deleted, after all) get deleted?!?! It’s certainly not a “conversation” if the other side doesn’t get a chance to speak (Talk of Fame did shut down his White racist ass). I’ve been a regular on this site for a long time and I don’t recall ever having or seeing posts deleted.” LMFAO!!! LOL!!! This one ALWAYS cracks me up. Redneck totally loses it. LOL!!! OBVIOUSLY, Rasputin was deleted. Where’s the lie?

            Or how about this one: “You’re a black nationalist, you have an anti-white chip on your shoulder, you don’t approve of interracial marriage, and your only problem with founding a separate black nation is your crazy fear that it would be destroyed by whites.” None of which is true.

            “…that shows you couldn’t care less about James Byrd. He’s a convenient prop for you.” I didn’t call the human being (murdered by three White racists) “a prop.” Translation: Blacks are LESS THAN human. Nice touch, redneck. Just as bad as your sick LOL after commenting on the failed supplemental protection provided by the city of Dallas that led to the assassination of President Kennedy.

            “…George W. Bush (perhaps the most unbigoted president ever)”–Rasputin. If, in fact, a U.S. President who allowed hundreds of people (most of whom were Black) to wait for his arrival five full days after a major hurricane (ever heard of Katrina?) but is there immediately (one day) after a brushfire ravages Malibu, CA (White population well over 90 percent) is an “unbigoted” president, his status as such would rank BEHIND the likes of Barack Obama, Jimmy Carter, Gerald Ford, and Franklin D Roosevelt.

            I was simply pointing out the genesis of Razzie’s racism–growing up in Texas (i.e., LAST state to inform the Blacks that they were free after the Civil War; JFK’s assassination; Ali’s conviction by an all-White jury in Houston–those Whites were on the “wrong side of history,” Razzie; Texas removing the terms “slaves” and “slavery” from its school textbooks; and James Byrd’s fatal dragging in Jasper, TX). Those facts are what they are. Here was the latest Razzie meltdown: “…It’s also disgusting that you’d bring it (Jasper, TX) up out of the blue and exploit it for such a childish reason as to invent a complete lie in a desperate bid to try to get me.” Why so sensitive, skinhead? What’s so disgusting? That the White murderers were convicted? Why did we all have to endure ANOTHER meltdown from you? I can’t help that all this happened…IN TEXAS.

            As for Malcolm X’s accomplishments
            –On June 29, 1963 Malcolm X lead the Unity Rally in Harlem. It was one of the nation’s largest civil rights events.

            –Malcolm X was on the verge of going to address the United Nations to cite its hypocrisy of having sanctions on South Africa for Apartheid. He planned to request sanctions be brought on America, as well, for legalized segregation. He was later assassinated before meeting with UN.

            –“He leaned over and said to me, ‘Mrs. King, I want you to tell your husband that I had planned to visit him in jail here in Selma but I won’t be able to do it now. . . . I didn’t come to Selma to make his job more difficult, but I thought that if the White people understood what the alternative was that they would be more inclined to listen to your husband,’ ” (Remember what X said to Alex Haley, redneck? “It takes someone like me to make him look reasonable”) Coretta Scott King recalled in the “Eyes on the Prize” documentary series. Of course, readers, Rasputin, won’t bother to watch that. Rasputin: “Not diverse enough.” Translation: “Too many Black people.” So in all actuality, Malcolm really helped King be seen as less of a threat to White people. Of course a White guy assassinated him anyway. Ooooh, weelll.

            She thanked him (X), she said — and later wondered how much he could have achieved had he lived. She also presented, with heartfelt words, a plaque to Muhammad Ali after Ali beat Jerry Quarry in his first fight back from being exiled, saying, “You are a champion of peace and justice” And Ali was still in the NOI. So, Razzie, Malcolm X AND Ali had Mrs. King’s blessings.

            –Malcolm X’s autobiography, which he worked on for two years with writer Alex Haley, was published in November 1965. It is required reading in many U.S. universities, including Harvard, Howard, Wilberforce University, Yale, University of California (Berkeley), Stanford, Michigan State University, Temple University, New York University, Fordham, Cornell, and Columbia University.

            Malcolm and Martin, like Cookie, were civil rights activists. All would have supported Kaepernick. Just like all supported Ali. You would have ripped Gilchrist anytime his name came up if you read his story. “Read his story?” Oops. My mistake. “Not diverse enough.” Translation: “Too Black.”

          • Rasputin
            December 4, 2017

            Do admit you completely made up that Byrd quote you falsely attributed to me or not, Joseph Wright? I didn’t even bother reading the rest of your post. If you lie about this so blatantly then there’s no point since one has to assume you’ll simply lie on everything.

          • Rasputin
            December 2, 2017

            You’re in full meltdown panic mode and everything you said is a lie, Joseph Wright, including this disgusting, cartoonishly stupid false quote you just totally made up:

            “Shawn Berry, Lawrence Russell Brewer, and John King dragged James Byrd for three miles behind a pick-up truck along an asphalt road in Jasper, Texas. “That wasn’t racist. Berry, Brewer, and King gave him a free ride,”–Rasputin. Good Lord. “And besides, he (Byrd) was alleged to have .0000000001 percent of marijuana in his system.”–More Rasputin racist garbage.”

            Of course I’ve never said any such thing as anyone can confirm with a quick page search. I haven’t even mentioned that atrocity here and when I’ve discussed it elsewhere I’ve always described it as the horrific evil act it was. Fortunately in Texas all three perpetrators were convicted and received justice, two being sentenced to death and the other to life in prison (unlike Kate Steinle’s illegal alien killer in Bay Area California, who got off due to jury nullification for political reasons). The aforementioned NAACP shamed itself by using the Byrd murder in a political campaign ad that stupidly blamed George W. Bush (perhaps the most unbigoted president ever). It’s also disgusting that you’d bring it up out of the blue and exploit it for such a childish reason as to invent a complete lie in a desperate bid to try to get me. That you’d do that shows you couldn’t care less about James Byrd. He’s a convenient prop for you. That was cowardly and pathetic of you. You should be ashamed, alleged “history teacher”.

            By contrast every quote I’ve posted from you is a direct copy paste and can be verified by readers with a quick search of this page. Some quotes are also on the Lee Roy Jordan page. The spelling and grammar are as you posted it. You having to resort to outright lies is a surrender by you and proof that you can’t find a single racially bigoted thing I’ve ever said. You’re the only racial bigot here, Joseph Wright.

            You endorsed the Russell “prejudice” quote and cited it to excuse the NOI’s opposition to interracial marriage, so it’s legitimate to include in your “Hall of Shame”. But since, unlike you, I do strive to be scrupulously honest, it’s being disputed, and it was technically Russell who first said it (even though you’re agreeing with him), I removed it from the Hall of Shame and put it in storage. The full quote is worth reading, however…..

            “There is nothing wrong with having preferences, even personal prejudices. The problem arises when those preferences and prejudices deteriorate into hatred, bigotry, racism, discrimination, cruelty, and murder.”–Bill Russell.

            ….because the Black Panthers and Nation of Islam are guilty of all those things, including mass murders.

            “You ducked the challenge of showing examples of “ignorant” things Ali was guilty of in his 20 years BEFORE he discovered Islam.”

            No, moron, I explained it extensively. If you accept the premise that he was ignorant for joining the NOI in the first place, a black nationalist Muslim group (would have confused the hell out of Arab African slave traders, lol), how would he be non-ignorant before? Are you suggesting he started off non-ignorant and then suddenly became ignorant? Are you too ignorant to even know what the word “ignorant” means? That’s apart from the various countless stupid things Ali said over the years, including on Vietnam.

            “Why weren’t King, Russell and Frazier’s comments “stupid?””

            I’m not going to respond to every single irrelevant, tangential thing you post, idiot. It’s stupid for anyone to praise racial separatists and bigots like Malcolm X or NOI era Ali for improving race relations. Sometimes smart people say stupid things, but any such particular comments are stupid, assuming there isn’t some evil ulterior motive to the comments (e.g. the KGB loved Ali’s stance on Vietnam, and not because they were saving themselves for a Muslim holy war, which was the actual reason Ali gave for refusing to serve a “Christian nation”).

            “Not acknowledging racism is a key element to keep it going.”

            That’s why I’m documenting and pushing back against your racism.

            “Razzie will NEVER give a direct answer. He will never finger the NFL for racism on this one. It is SO obvious why this happened to Moon.”

            I already discussed prejudice back then against black QBs multiple times, liar. Another irrelevant, off topic distraction by you. Fortunately that prejudice evaporated fast enough for Moon to enjoy a Hall of Fame career. More pertinent to our discussion are your own prejudices against whites.

            “And oh, by the way, Whites have their networks and channels. They’re called ABC, NBC, CBS, FOX…That’s why Black, Latin, and Asian networks are needed. It helps to nullify a total Whiteout.”

            You’re saying there would be no blacks on tv without BET, LOL? Have you not even watched tv for past 30 years? Explicitly identified conservatives, Christians, and people with a southern accent are the ones it’s very difficult to find on tv, at least ones who aren’t villains or portrayed in an unflattering light. THAT’S where the modern discrimination is.

            “They would definitely love your giving Thomas Jefferson a complete pass on owning slaves. “He inherited them.””

            LOL! I was literally answering your dumbass, pointless question: “Why did Thomas Jefferson own slaves?” That’s where they came from. You’re welcome for the historical education.

            “They are not an ethnicity, dumbass. Judaism (and being “Jewish”) is a religion.”

            I already quoted two sources saying you’re wrong, halfwit, not that any functional adult in modern society should need a source. Where’s yours, chump?

            The rest of your post just repeats already debunked lies that are too stupid to merit further attention.

            You can’t possibly make me angry if that’s what you’re trying to do. You’re a flustered, defeated clown humiliating himself further with each post and I’m enjoying the show.

            PS – In all your JFK/police crap you never did get around to comparing Oakland and Dallas crime stats. Gee, I wonder why….

            PPS – You never did name any “great” contribution by Malcolm X.

            PPS – “Happy Kwanzaa!!”

            LOL! I almost brought up Kwanzaa last post to mock you, but you actually said it! Kwanzaa is some dumb, artificial, race based “holiday” made up a few decades ago by a black nationalist named Maulana Karenga who was convicted of kidnapping and torturing women. I’m not surprised that a black nationalist scumbag like you really does celebrate a race based holiday. Fortunately most black Americans, being Christians, don’t pay attention to it and celebrate Christmas.

          • Joseph Wright
            December 5, 2017

            The “.0000000001 percent traces of marijuana…” line would immediately alert readers with a sense of humor that this was a sarcastic shot at your racism, dumbass. LOL.
            I love how you keep tripping yourself with the accusations of “Meltdown.” Let’s show the readers what a TRUE meltdown is, redneck:

            “Are you freaking kidding me? I post thoughtful, fact-based replies to both of David O’Brien’s idiotic ad hominem posts above and MY posts (yes, they are…were?–YOUR posts.They did get erased, after all) get deleted?!?! It’s certainly not a “conversation” if the other side doesn’t get a chance to speak (Talk of Fame did shut down his White racist ass). I’ve been a regular on this site for a long time and I don’t recall ever having or seeing posts deleted.” LMFAO!!! LOL!!! This one ALWAYS cracks me up. Redneck totally loses it. LOL!!! OBVIOUSLY, Rasputin was deleted. Where’s the lie?

            Your assertion, “If you lie about this so blatantly then there’s no point since one has to assume you’ll simply lie on everything…” Anyone with half a flea’s brain knows that was a sarcastic joke on a White racist (that would be you)–just like they did several times every week on Archie Bunker in “All in the Family,” you thin-skinned racist bigot

            “I was simply pointing out the genesis of Razzie’s racism–growing up in Texas (i.e., LAST state to inform the Blacks that they were free after the Civil War; JFK’s assassination; Ali’s conviction by an all-White jury in Houston–those Whites were on the “wrong side of history,” Razzie; Texas removing the terms “slaves” and “slavery” from its school textbooks; and James Byrd’s fatal dragging in Jasper, TX). Those facts are what they are.”–Me.

            Here was the latest Razzie meltdown disguised as a response: “…It’s also disgusting that you’d bring it (Jasper, TX) up out of the blue and exploit it for such a childish reason as to invent a complete lie in a desperate bid to try to get me.”

            “Why so sensitive, skinhead? What’s so disgusting? That the White murderers were convicted? Why did we all have to endure ANOTHER meltdown from you? I can’t help that all this happened…IN TEXAS.”–Me

            Copped out by lying with that “if you put one lie out there you’ll lie about everything” crap. We’re not buying your crap, redneck liar.

            “You’re trying to hide behind a few stupid quotes from Brown and (Abdul-) Jabbar praising Ali for CERTAIN things on the event of his passing, LOL?”-Rasputin. Obviously, you don’t read otherwise you would have known these quotes (which were not stupid) were made in 1989-90. When Ali was very much alive!

            Once again, Why were Jim Brown and Kareem Abdul-Jabbar singled out by you for “stupid quotes” regarding Ali’s stand against the Vietnam war yet you said nothing about the following quotes of Dr. King, Bill Russell, and Joe Frazier all of whom said the same thing? Watch Razzie squirm and duck this question yet again, readers. Redneck, bigoted coward is all Rasputin is. Not to mention Rasputin’s ducking the Megyn Kelly admission to White privilege.

            Now let’s go to the redneck Razzie lies:

            1) “Malcolm X was an evil man.” Not true. Yet Razzie admires a racist, bigoted, hypocritical, raping slave owner, Thomas Jefferson

            2) “Ali was ignorant even for the first 20 years of his life.” Razzie has yet to give examples of this “ignorance” BEFORE Ali discovered Islam.

            3) “Kareem Abdul-Jabbar was in the Nation of Islam.” He was NEVER in the NOI.

            4) I said Ali was heroic for being willing to be incarcerated for opposing the Vietmam draft. Razzie’s response: “So was Hitler.” I call him on that idiotic remark (Brown and Abdul-Jabbar’s comments were “stupid?”) and he says “I wasn’t comparing Ali to Hitler.” Big lie.

            5) “I had a poster of Warren Moon on my wall growing up.” Given his trashing of Black QBs throughout this website…Sheeeit. Big lie.

            6) He called the fired CBS football prognosticator “Poor Jimmy the Greek” then said “I had no problem with his firing.” Big lie. Either you agree with the firing or you don’t, redneck.

            7) Rasputin claims he is not a racist or bigot (that’s a losing cause) and that “all lives matter” yet he bemoans White deaths but terms Black deaths “from a bygone era” or “drops in a bucket.” Translation: Black deaths/lives are irrelevant.

            8) He keeps lying, saying I said he was deleted (LOL!!!) for his “drops in a bucket” comment. I challenged him to supply me and the readers with the date and quote. I never said that was why he was deleted. Of course, he copped out by not reading my Dec. 4 post. The mark of a true coward. Kind of like not reading Warren Moon’s autobiography because in Razzie’s words: “Not diverse enough.” Translation: Too Black. This indicts him on lie #5 for sure.

            9) “I’m with Dr. Martin Luther King.” LIE! That fraudulent quote was a smoke screen. Razzie is using Dr. King in a weak, deceptive attempt to exonerate himself from his racism. If he was with Dr. King, he wouldn’t have a problem with Muhammad Ali’s stand against the Vietnam war. Or Dr. King’s stand against the Vietnam war.

            10) “I don’t believe in racial double-standards.” He calls out non-White organizations for racism and discrimination yet voted for Donald Trump.

            11) “PS – And no one’s ‘uncomfortable’ because Namath hung out with black players, moron. LOL!” Yet another lie. Joe Namath said to his co-host, the late Dick Schaap, on his TV show he stopped talking to Paul Zimmerman because Z was “uncomfortable with me hanging out with the Blacks on the Jets,”…moron.

            12) His name is not “Rasputin.” Biggest lie of all. He hides behind this pseudonym so he can offend us with his White racist views. So, he’s a troll…and a coward. If you are NOT a racist (*cough, cough*) or coward (side eye), put your REAL name on this garbage. Hey, you could set a precedent, redneck: the first to be deleted by TOF under TWO different names…LMFAO!!!

            Cookie Gilchrist supported Ali and quite likely would have supported Colin Kaepernick. And he wasn’t a liar, coward or a racist like you, Rasputin.

            Back to the slimy blackboard of deception and libel, redneck.

          • Rasputin
            December 6, 2017

            “The “.0000000001 percent traces of marijuana…” line would immediately alert readers with a sense of humor that this was a sarcastic shot at your racism, dumbass.”

            So you admit you made up the false quote about Byrd. Good. I just wanted to clarify that for anyone skimming this (or in case people like the aforementioned idiots who went to war against an innocent Hallmark card read this). You’ve butchered several quotes from me before when you weren’t trying (clumsily) to be funny. You were just too lazy to look up the exact words and typed them from your shoddy memory, but this time it was complete BS. In the following post instead of admitting you had made it up you said this…”yes, they are…were?–YOUR posts.They did get deleted, after all…Where’s the lie?”…which could be interpreted as doubling down. If you did that again I was going to cite the obviously made up “.0000000001” number myself and your earlier admission that you couldn’t quote anything from the vanished two posts because they were gone (and completely non-racist; the only conceivable reason for their deletion was that they contained legal facts about ongoing criminal cases, unless it was just a glitch).

            It’s one thing that you find the Byrd murder funny enough to joke about like that, but that you have to resort to such “hypothetical” garbage underscores the fact that you can’t find a single bigoted thing I’ve ever said. You’d think that with all the times you’ve called me “skinhead”, “Nazi”, “redneck”, “racist”, “bigot”, “white supremacist”, etc. you could find ONE thing I’ve said that supports your claim….but you can’t.

            “you thin-skinned racist bigot”

            I haven’t said ANYTHING bigoted and you stupidly toss those words around, LOL. Talk about “thin-skinned”…..

            “As for Malcolm X’s accomplishments
            –On June 29, 1963 Malcolm X lead the Unity Rally in Harlem. It was one of the nation’s largest civil rights events.”

            That’s the best accomplishment you could find to justify you calling him “great”? Let’s examine Malcolm’s X’s speech at that event. He talked about the “white disease”, said the “white man” was bringing a “race war” on himself, and told black people not to celebrate the 4th of July. And he said this:

            Malcolm X: ““Don’t let the white man fool you. Don’t let the white man smile at you and lull you to sleep. Behind that smile is a vicious heart. Behind those teeth is an animal-like beast who doesn’t have it within him to want for you what he wants for himself and his own kind…

            When you look at that man you’re supposed to see him for exactly what he is, and if you want to know what he is examine his deeds. Forget his words…he’s got a whole lot of pretty sounding words. Watch his deeds. His deeds are like the deeds of a snake. The deeds of a serpent. The needs of a….the deeds of a dragon. The deeds of a reptile. The deeds of a beast. Why nothing but a race of beasts would take dogs and sic them on little black babies…..

            it is these deeds that is causing the wrath of God to come down on the white man. And when you see him as he is and see how much hell he’s catching, you’re out of your mind to want to be with him. You’re out of his mind…you’re out of you’re mind to want to integrate with him. And you’re really out of your mind if you take time to forgive him and ask God to have mercy on him. No, ask God to judge him. Ask God to do unto him as he has done unto you. He has caused your babies to suffer, ask God to cause his babies to suffer. He has caused your women to suffer, ask God to heap suffering on his women.”

            Malcolm X preached vile race hatred. He opposed racial integration. He called for babies and women to suffer merely because of their skin color.

            Joseph Wright calls that the height of Malcolm X’s “greatness”.

            No. Evil. Evil. Evil.

            “He was later assassinated before meeting with UN.”

            Killed by your Nation of Islam buddies shortly after he had abandoned that hateful racial group and its toxic ideology.

            “Or how about this one: “You’re a black nationalist, you have an anti-white chip on your shoulder, you don’t approve of interracial marriage, and your only problem with founding a separate black nation is your crazy fear that it would be destroyed by whites.” None of which is true.”

            You’ve repeatedly praised black nationalists as heroes, defended key aspects of black nationalist ideology, and refused repeated opportunities I generously gave you even after all that to say you aren’t a black nationalist. The evidence was overwhelming that you are one even if you had said “no”, but you couldn’t even bring yourself to say “no” in all those posts and I finally lost patience. It was already clear that you CERTAINLY have an anti-white chip on your shoulder, as all the quotes about “White” people I’ve gathered from you show.

            “Remember what X said to Alex Haley, redneck? “It takes someone like me to make him look reasonable””

            So what? Some lame, self serving throw away line doesn’t make it true. The notion that Malcolm X had any positive impact on race relations is BS leftist and black nationalist revisionism. Society is still feeling the negative consequences of his legacy. Look at your own bigotry. By your logic the KKK helped black people learn to get along with most whites by making them seem less bad in comparison.

            You can quote Coretta Scott King being polite (especially nice of her since Malcolm X spent years railing against the civil rights movement and calling King a “chump”), but I prefer MLK’s niece Alveda King. Here’s what she had to say about Kaepernick’s idiotic anti-American protests:

            “I don’t know why he (Colin Kaepernick) picked this moment in history to make this statement through a peaceful protest. It was very jarring. It was very disturbing to so many who love America, because one of the few times that Americans come together in unity is during the singing of the national anthem. I sing the national anthem, and when I do so it’s with prayer. That God will bless us and help us and help America, you know? So I know that he had a purpose for doing that, and I know that people are very very upset. I believe that we should be praying, and those who have a voice to show Colin what’s still good about America, and then just work to make America better.”

            Katrina wasn’t Bush’s fault, and he didn’t immediately drop into the worst hit area and start mugging for the camera like more shameless politicians would have (*cough*Clinton*cough*) because it would have tied up resources otherwise being used to save lives. After Hurricane Sandy hit the northeast and Obama wanted to land in New York for some photo ops, the campaign reaching its end, Mayor Bloomberg told him no thanks please stay away, LOL. New Orleans mayor Nagin (a black guy, since you’re so race obsessed) was to blame for Katrina. The coward fled to Texas when it hit without even putting the evacuation plan into place, leaving a fleet of buses unused. Worst mayor ever. Also to blame was the governor (a Democrat), who spent days refusing Bush’s offer of federal intervention.

            By contrast Texas just exhibited the best of humanity during the recent record shattering hurricane: heroic citizens of all races acting on their own initiative to save or help others, courage and a relative lack of rioting or looting, and good governance all combining to limit what easily could have been astronomical casualties.

            And do you really want to compare states? Oakland riots. LA riots. Communist Antifa scumbags rampaging in San Francisco. One Democrat assassinating fellow Democrat Mayor of San Francisco George Moscone and Harvey Milk. That racially bigoted black former cop Christopher Dorner who went on the spree killing innocent people. Jury nullification letting Kate Steinle’s killer (an illegal alien) off, after having released him from custody against federal wishes prior to the murder (thanks “sanctuary city” policy!). Bay Area “justice”. The Jonestown cult mass suicide which had ties to San Francisco politics. The Oakland based Black Panthers and all their murders, crimes, and bigotry. I could go on and on.

            “Rasputin: “Not diverse enough.” Translation: “Too many Black people.”

            I was talking about ideology and message, you idiot, not skin color. And I read vastly more opposing viewpoints than you do. I may prefer Thomas Sowell, Larry Elder, Sheriff David Clarke, and Jason Riley over Brando Starkey, Ta-Nehisi Coates, and Shannon Sharpe, but I’ve read stuff from those last three too (and ripped their positions and supporters to shreds in debates). I’ve read countless items from countless writers of all colors. Seriously, it was stupid and prejudiced of you to assume that someone as educated as I obviously am somehow hadn’t read any black authors. Earlier I even cited a study for you by a liberal black academic debunking the premise of the whole BLM movement that ostensibly motivated Kaepernick’s anti-American protests.

            “Malcolm and Martin, like Cookie, were civil rights activists. All would have supported Kaepernick. Just like all supported Ali. You would have ripped Gilchrist anytime his name came up if you read his story.”

            So? Are you whining about me NOT ripping him? You’ve got to start thinking before you post, Joey. While your psychic power sucks as bad as your historical knowledge does (Malcolm and Martin didn’t even support each other most of the time), and while I just quoted King’s niece Alveda, a civil rights activist, recently criticizing Kaepernick for disrespecting the country, and earlier Jim Brown, a civil rights activist (sort of; at least by your logic), doing the same thing, annihilating your claim, I never said I agree with everything MLK (or anyone else) said or did, you idiot.

            I didn’t praise King for his marital infidelities or stance on the Vietnam War, for example. I praised him for his impactful speeches improving race relations by basing a call for a color blind society on a shared Christian morality and founding American principles. I praised Gilchrist for his stand against actual racial discrimination as recounted in the article, not for some hypothetical position you’ve dreamed up that he’d supposedly have today. Now for your numbered list.

            1. False, as I showed higher in this post with yet more evil comments from Malcolm X, this time from a rally you cited as his greatest “achievement”.
            2. False. Yawn. See above and answer my question about Ali’s ignorance, coward.
            3. You’re so desperate you’re fixating on a triviality and are beating it like a dead horse. It’s pathetic. You keep dodging the fact that I cited Jabbar (BTW, having studied and written about Islamist terrorism for years, I’m familiar with Arabic naming practices; I just don’t care; Sometime I’ll call him “Kareem”, sometimes “Abdul Jabbar”, sometimes “Jabbar”, and maybe sometimes “KAJ” or “glasses dude” depending on what I’m in the mood to do), to show him characterizing the NOI and “black Muslim” ideology as bad.
            4. I said merely being willing to be incarcerated doesn’t make either Ali or Hitler heroes, you lying, cowardly, halfwit. What matters is the cause. Ali’s cause, opposition to fighting for America because it’s “Christian” rather than Muslim, isn’t noble in my opinion. Certainly other Muslims have been patriotic enough to serve in the US military.
            5. No, you lie. Yawn.
            6. I never said I didn’t agree with the firing, you idiot. You can still express sympathy for someone you think has been properly fired. I even feel a little sorry for John Conyers, whose legacy is shredded at the end of a very long career, though less so since unlike Jimmy the Greek, a harmless and affable sports analyst, Conyers did damage to the country over the years.
            7. You pile lies on top of lies. I explicitly said I was talking about both WHITE and black cases, moron. Here’s the full quote which you’ve been too dishonest to post:

            Rasputin: “They just calmly debunked everything “David” said, from speaking about the four cases he brought up in detail (he was clearly ignorant about them; most of the key cops/shooters involved weren’t even white, contrary to his emphasis otherwise, and he ignored the assault by Martin and the failure to cooperate with police in the others), to bringing up some recent cases largely ignored by the media where unarmed whites (e.g. 6 year old Jeremy Mardis killed by two black cops, Zachary Hammond, Dylan Noble; could have added 40 year old Australian woman Justine Damond who was killed in Minneapolis by a Somali immigrant cop after SHE had called the police) were killed by cops in circumstances as or more dubious than the mostly justified high profile shootings he cited, to show that neither establishes racial malice let alone some systemic epidemic of carnage, as in both cases they’re a drop in the bucket. He certainly failed the challenge to show proof of this alleged “carnage” for “being black”. Only dishonest cherry-picking can paint the narrative the leftist media has pushed.”

            Most of the cases I mentioned in the “drop in the bucket” sentence were killed whites, you buffoon. I said “neither” (the black or white cases) “establishes racial malice” or “systemic carnage” as “in both cases” (white and black) “they’re a drop in the bucket” (out of total interactions and total homicides). Note the words “neither” and “both”, you craven liar.
            8. Wait….earlier you insisted that you had never posted anything racist (despite the growing examples otherwise I’ve quoted) because you allegedly had never had any posts deleted (who’s to know if you’re even telling the truth about that given how much you’ve lied, but it doesn’t matter), and racist posts supposedly get deleted here. So has your position now changed to acknowledging that racist posts DON’T necessarily get deleted here (many of yours certainly haven’t)? Don’t dodge this again. Answer the question, wuss.
            9. No, little Joey. You can oppose racial discrimination and still disagree with a Vietnam War protester. You can even be patriotic. In fact the military is probably the most colorblind, least bigoted segment of society; way less racist than the Nation of Islam. Man, you’re stupid.
            10. I call out racially bigoted organizations of any color and Trump received more minority votes than the past few Republican presidential candidates. Alveda King even spoke at a Trump rally a while back. Here’s a portion of the prayer she gave:

            Alveda King: “We pray in deep and sincere repentance asking for your forgiveness of our sins. Where we should be living together as brothers and sisters, we as a nation have rejected your truth of one blood, one human race, and embraced racial division, leading to the injustice of racism. We have slaughtered our weakest in the womb, the poor, the elderly, and infirm in the name of reproductive rights and social justice. We have embraced inhumanity to human kind in the name of humanism.”

            She’s supporting a colorblind society, an end to the carnage of abortion, and a dismissal of false leftist buzzwords like “social justice” and “humanism”. She’s a sincere Christian and a patriotic American. Her agenda is a true civil rights agenda, and it’s a lot more in line with the best parts of the King legacy than Colin Kaepernick’s is.

            Contrast her humble message with your “great” hero Malcolm X preaching racial division, spewing hatred, and praying for the suffering of “women” and even “babies”.

            Which is greater? Answer the question and be honest.
            11. Second hand garbage from a drunken flake? Still waiting for you to ask the writers here for their opinion on Paul Zimmerman, you gutless POS.
            12. LOL! It’s called a screenname, you idiot, and anonymity is important since I sometimes get into nasty arguments with deranged people with stalking tendencies like you, bigot. Look how many lies you’ve already told about me. Regardless of the pseudonym, I’ve exhibited way more scruples in my posting than you have. Besides, you’ve provided zero proof that “Joseph Wright” is your real name. Just because it’s normal sounding doesn’t mean it’s yours, hypocrite.

            The rest of your drivel has already been debunked and is too asinine to merit further response.

            You lose on every topic whether you’re man enough to cop to it or not, you stupid, bigoted coward.

          • Joseph Wright
            December 6, 2017

            “Remember what X said to Alex Haley, redneck? “It takes someone like me to make him look reasonable””
            “So what? Some lame, self serving throw away line doesn’t make it true. The notion that Malcolm X had any positive impact on race relations is BS leftist and black nationalist revisionism. Society is still feeling the negative consequences of his legacy. Look at your own bigotry. By your logic the KKK helped black people learn to get along with most whites by making them seem less bad in comparison.”

            “So what?” Anytime you have no answer to justify your racism and lost causes your response is, “So what?” Really milking that Confederate County College Education and GED, aren’t you? Never went any further in school, huh redneck?

            “Society (White racist society? The White Nationalists? The White Supremacists? The Skinheads? The KKK?…YOU?) is still feeling the “negative consequences” of (Malcolm X’s) legacy.” Name five that the whole society (it’s not all about White racists, bigot) is feeling the negative consequences of.

            I love this one: “I prefer MLK’s niece Alveda King.” That sellout, financial opportunist. A spineless woman who is trying to exploit and live off her uncle’s name (It worked: like many Black sellouts, she got a gig as a FOX News Channel contributor), take his words totally out of context, and supports White racist bigots like Glenn Beck, Donald Trump, and others.

            “Katrina wasn’t Bush’s fault, and he didn’t immediately drop into the worst hit area and start mugging for the camera like more shameless politicians would have (*cough*Clinton*cough*) because it would have tied up resources otherwise being used to save lives.” Biggest crock ever, and you have lied several times on this website. An immediate visit by Bush would not have tied up resources. Mayor Nagin was nowhere near to blame for Bush’s slow reaction to Katrina. He was pleading with Bush on worldwide television: “Come on, man. Get your ass down here!” Of course, you tried to politically clean up (not enough bleach, towels, mops and shovels to clean this) Bush’s failure. Unfortunately for you and the two-thirds Black victims of Katrina, Bush was incompetent in dealing with this situation. “Bush loyalists say the administration was hampered by slow and inept responses from state and local authorities in Louisiana including Gov. Kathleen Blanco and New Orleans Mayor Nagin. But Bush allies privately conceded that he could have quickly visited somewhere along the Gulf Coast with minimal disruption, perhaps a staging site, to show solidarity with victims of the hurricane and the first responders.” I’ll go with the allies vs. the blind “loyalists.”

            Let’s not even mention Bush’s FEMA leader,his good friend that he appointed, Mike Brown (White Privilege–Megyn Kelly; “Mike , you’re doin’ a heck of a job!”; Brown’s previous experience–Manager of Judges for Arabian Horse Racing. SMH), who contributed mightily to the New Orleans disaster. As for President Obama’s “photo op” (what a dumbass racist you are): “…Hurricane Sandy, New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie on Monday dismissed GOP criticism of his kind words for President Barack Obama in the aftermath of the storm and said that the president has delivered everything he promised.”

            As for your lies (that you are now lying about or copping out on because you KNOW my accusations are correct:

            1) Rasputin: “Malcolm X was an evil man.” Did he ever: Kill anyone? Rape anyone (*cough–Thomas Jefferson –cough*)? Incite a riot? Assault anyone? Order dogs to attack anyone–of another race than his own? Burn a crescent (or cross) on anyone’s front lawn? Physically harm any White people?

            2) Razzie STILL hasn’t given ONE instance of Ali’s alleged ignorance in the first 20 years of his life before he discovered Islam.

            3) Falsely says Abdul-Jabbar was in Nation of Islam in an attempt to indict him. Fortunately I’ve read about Abdul-Jabbar countless times so I could spot this slimy, corruptively spirited lie coming from the racist who goes by by the false name “Rasputin.” Another tidbit from this “Rasputin” numbskull:”You keep dodging the fact that I cited Jabbar (BTW, having studied and written about Islamist terrorism for years, I’m familiar with Arabic naming practices; I just don’t care; Sometime I’ll call him “Kareem”, sometimes “Abdul Jabbar”, sometimes “Jabbar”, and maybe sometimes “KAJ” or “glasses dude” depending on what I’m in the mood to do), to show him characterizing the NOI and “black Muslim” ideology as bad.” So, if you agree with him on the NOI why did you deceptively put him in it when he wasn’t? “Arabic naming practices…I just don’t care.” Sounds like a bigot and a xenophobe to me. Do you think Abdul-Jabbar is/was a terrorist too? Malcolm? Ali?

            4) So why did you drag up Hitler in the first place, redneck? There were other people you could have compared Ali to. Trying to play on Jewish and Semitic sympathies don’t fly, bigot. They know Ali wasn’t in Hitler’s class of people. The embrace Malcolm X, too, dumbass.

            5) Any pictures of you as a youngster with this “poster of Warren Moon?” LOL!!! After several streams of Black QB bashing, Razzie desperately lies and says “I had a poster of Warren Moon on my wall growing up.” LOL!!! This lying redneck is too much.

            6) “You can still express sympathy for someone you think has been properly fired. I even feel a little sorry for John Conyers, whose legacy is shredded at the end of a very long career, though less so since unlike Jimmy the Greek, a harmless and affable sports analyst, Conyers did damage to the country over the years.” Always has to slip in a Black person to eliminate the wrong-doings of White people. Instead of John Conyers, why couldn’t you go with Bill O’Reilly, Roger Ailes, or Bill Shine. And what “damage” did Conyers do to the U.S.? I’m sure you have a lot of material…from FOX News.

            7) Razzie constantly downgrades Black deaths but shows sheer outrage over White deaths. Instead of posting all these misleading statistics from all these Confederate Literature, White Supremacist/Nationalist websites, and FOX News Chanel sources, why can’t you just say, “Yes, there are still terrible White racists out there harming innocent Blacks and it has to stop.” What’s the worst that could happen? Would you lose your skinhead membership? Or would that be a violation of your White Privilege that Megyn Kelly (while she was on FOX!) so brutally exposed as true?

            8: Have you EVER had the humiliation of being deleted from this website? Because I HAVEN’T. Only a complete idiot would get deleted and, instead of apologizing, goes on a meltdown on their very next post. I am just so much smarter than you. As was Malcolm X and Muhammad Ali.

            9:”I’m with Dr. Martin Luther King.” Yet Razzie also said–“No one should brag about having a “peaceful” protest. That’s a very low bar.” That (peaceful protest) was the essence of Dr. King’s movement. Way to trip and fall off the big stage, redneck hypocrite. All your Dr. King backing is an exploitive, deceptive, corrupt smoke screen you racist bastard.

            10:“I don’t believe in racial double-standards.” He calls out non-White organizations for racism and discrimination yet voted for Donald Trump (who used divisive racist rhetoric to bring out you White racist rednecks). “I call out racially bigoted organizations of any color (just not the U.S. White ones) and Trump received more minority votes than the past few Republican presidential candidates (Oh, YEAH! I bet you’d say “The ’77 Tampa Bay Bucs won two more games than they did in ’76!”).

            11) Second hand garbage from a drunken flake? Joe Namath told Dick Schaap on the Joe Namath Show that he stopped talking with Paul Zimmerman because Zimmerman was “uncomfortable with me hanging out with the Blacks on the Jets,” dumbass. Its on video. Check it out on ESPN Classic. How far did you go in school? “Second hand?” Namath is speaking himself, dipstick. “Drunken flake?” He was speaking clearly and was lucid. Deal with it: Z had a racial problem.

            12) “LOL! It’s called a screenname, you idiot, and anonymity is important since I sometimes get into nasty arguments with deranged people with stalking tendencies” Really? “Sometimes?” Taking me out of this mess, readers, it’s “most of the time.” His racist views are so terrible, he has to go by a troll pseudonym. He isn’t man enough to put his name on his racist views.

            Wanna go with that lame “meltdown” cop-out you come back with on the many times I’ve whupped your ass? You KNOW I can show the readers a REAL meltdown. Make me show ’em. I can always enjoy a good laugh. Two down, one to go.

          • Rasputin
            December 7, 2017

            “”…MLK’s niece Alveda King.” That sellout, financial opportunist. A spineless woman who is trying to exploit and live off her uncle’s name”

            You’re disgusting, Joseph Wright. Alveda King is a wise, good-hearted Christian woman who cares more about combating race hatred, bringing people together, and saving the lives of countless innocent babies than she does petty partisan politics. But because she doesn’t toe your radical activist anti-white line you spew that hateful BS at her. And “spineless”? Do you have any idea how much courage it takes for a black woman to buck the DNC line? You’re not smart enough to realize this, but you just said a lot more about yourself than her. She has more integrity and bravery in her pinkie than you do in your whole wussy body.

            “Society (White racist society? The White Nationalists? The White Supremacists? The Skinheads? The KKK?…YOU?) is still feeling the “negative consequences” of (Malcolm X’s) legacy.” Name five that the whole society (it’s not all about White racists, bigot) is feeling the negative consequences of.”

            Officer Michael Krol
            Sgt. Michael Smith
            Senior Cpl. Lorne Ahrens
            Officer Patricio Zamarripa
            Officer Brent Thompson

            Those are the 5 police officers murdered in Dallas by Black Lives Matter activist Micah Johnson last year.

            Everything you said about Bush and Nagin is false too. Old, debunked partisan talking points. Yawn.

            “Anytime you have no answer to justify your racism and lost causes your response is, “So what?” Really milking that Confederate County College Education and GED, aren’t you? Never went any further in school, huh redneck?”

            In your post you also quoted the paragraph I added AFTER that question, moron, LOL, so your retort fails badly. When you have nothing substantive to say you really pour on the hysterical hyperbole. “Confederate Count College Education”..”GED”..”White racist society”…”redneck”…”the Skinheads”…”White Supremacists”…”White Nationalists”…”KKK”……..Your meltdown continues.

            1. Isn’t it evil to call for the “suffering” of “babies” and “women” simply because of their skin color? Answer the question, you bigoted coward.

            2. Isn’t not knowing anything about Islam an example of ignorance, moron? You answered your own asinine question.

            3. Kareem ran with and embraced aspects of NOI doctrine until moving away from that years later by his own admission. Your own character reference eventually came to criticize the group and its racial ideology. It’s not hard to follow. Try to keep up. (And you still don’t know what “xenophobe” means, halfwit).

            4. Because Hitler is an extreme example of evil that made my point perfectly since he did the same thing you listed as the only necessary criterion for proclaiming Ali a “hero”. You’ve been reeling helplessly and flailing about since I hit you with that fact too, so it worked. If you were a less stupid man you would have thought of that yourself before making your dumb comments so I wouldn’t have had to school you like that.

            5. You’re seriously asking for a picture of me even after I’ve described you as a “stalker”? And as a kid to boot? You’re one creepy guy, Joseph Wright, alleged teacher. Regardless, we’ve established you’re the liar here, not me. You’re the one with zero credibility.

            6. I mentioned John Conyers because he just resigned yesterday, moron. You really couldn’t figure that out? Wow. On the state comparisons I meant to add California’s Harvey Weinstein and the ongoing implosion of that Hollywood cesspool.

            7. That’s your cowardly dodge of me nailing you for your lying about my “drop in the bucket” quote you’ve been falsely saying was about blacks but not whites? I just proved you were lying by quoting it and showing it was about “both”. It wouldn’t have been racist anyway if it had just been about black cases, but it’s one more documented, proven lie by you. And you’re not even man enough to admit it. At least chalk it up as you having committed an “error” or something. Man, you suck.

            8. You dodged the question AGAIN, wuss? If my “drop in the bucket” quote is supposedly “racist” (which we’ve proven it’s not) and all “racist” posts get deleted as you falsely claimed, then why is the post still standing?

            And you’re not smarter than anyone here, little Joey. You’re probably even stupider than X and Ali were, which is saying a lot.

            9. I’m gonna quote this whole comment from you because it’s unintentionally funny and indicative of your broader meltdown.

            “”I’m with Dr. Martin Luther King.” Yet Razzie also said–“No one should brag about having a “peaceful” protest. That’s a very low bar.” That (peaceful protest) was the essence of Dr. King’s movement. Way to trip and fall off the big stage, redneck hypocrite. All your Dr. King backing is an exploitive, deceptive, corrupt smoke screen you racist bastard.”

            LOL! I said making your protest peaceful should be a prerequisite, moron. Of course it should be peaceful. That’s so obvious it’s nothing to brag about in itself. To be worthy of admiration you need more, like the cause to be good. I admire MLK’s push for an end to racial segregation. I don’t admire the KKK’s or Nation of Islams’ peaceful protests because I oppose their causes.

            10. You have no point, halfwit.

            11. “Second hand garbage from a drunken flake? Joe Namath told Dick Schaap on the Joe Namath Show that he stopped talking with Paul Zimmerman because Zimmerman was “uncomfortable with me hanging out with the Blacks on the Jets,” dumbass. Its on video. Check it out on ESPN Classic. How far did you go in school? “Second hand?” Namath is speaking himself, dipstick. “Drunken flake?” He was speaking clearly and was lucid. Deal with it: Z had a racial problem.”

            It wasn’t Paul Zimmerman himself speaking, moron. Hence it was second hand. And I’ve also seen Namath practically slobber all over Suzy Kolber on national tv while saying he’d like to kiss her, so yes, he’s a well known drunken flake. I’m still waiting for you to find enough courage to seek input on this from other witnesses, the writers who run this site.

            12. You want a picture of me as a child AND my real name, you creepy lunatic? No thanks, “Joseph Wright” (or whatever your real name is).

            I’ve really kicked your ass all over the page here. Like old times.

          • Joseph Wright
            December 7, 2017

            “Alveda King is a wise, good-hearted Christian woman who cares more about combating race hatred, bringing people together, and saving the lives of countless innocent babies than she does petty partisan politics. But because she doesn’t toe your radical activist anti-white line you spew that hateful BS at her. And “spineless”?”–Rasputin

            Any non-White individual who would cozy up to White racists like Glenn Beck, Donald Trump, George H.W. Bush, Rush Limbaugh and the like is a spineless sellout.

            “Officer Michael Krol
            Sgt. Michael Smith
            Senior Cpl. Lorne Ahrens
            Officer Patricio Zamarripa
            Officer Brent Thompson

            Those are the 5 police officers murdered in Dallas by Black Lives Matter activist Micah Johnson last year.”

            You pathetic, dumb White racist. Those deaths have absolutely nothing to do with Malcolm X and Black Lives Matter says Johnson wasn’t a member of their group. The police have only said they believe he was influenced by Black Lives Matter. Get your facts straight, redneck. Johnson acted alone.

            1. “Isn’t it evil to call for the “suffering” of “babies” and “women” simply because of their skin color?” Like Thomas Jefferson, Bull Conner, Lester Maddox, Stonewall Jackson and Donald Trump did? I would say yes. But Malcolm only called for it and apologized later. Jefferson, Conner, Maddox, Stonewall, and Trump actually DID IT. With NO remorse.

            2. “Isn’t not knowing anything about Islam an example of ignorance, moron?” Oh, really? Now you’re changing what you meant when you said, Ali was ignorant even before he discovered Islam? What an unclever liar you are. Do you have three other noncop-out answers about what Ali did or said that was ignorant in his first 20 years? Being the “Ali authority” that you are.

            3. “Kareem ran with and embraced aspects of NOI doctrine until moving away from that years later by his own admission. Your own character reference eventually came to criticize the group and its racial ideology. It’s not hard to follow. Try to keep up. (And you still don’t know what “xenophobe” means, halfwit).”–Rasputin
            What part of “Abdul-Jabbar was never in the Nation of Islam” don’t you understand, xenophobe? When did he ever shake hands with Elijah Muhammad? Who gave him is Islamic name? When did he get his Islamic name? When did he ever go to a NOI mosque for worship?
            The word xenophobe has multiple meanings, although I guess you simplistically just read definition #1, the children’s meaning. LOL! SMH. See xenophobia defined for kids: https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/xenophobia

            4.”Because Hitler is an extreme example of evil that made my point perfectly since he did the same thing you listed as the only necessary criterion for proclaiming Ali a “hero”. You’ve been reeling helplessly and flailing about since I hit you with that fact too, so it worked. If you were a less stupid man you would have thought of that yourself before making your dumb comments so I wouldn’t have had to school you like that.” It was a comparision you made than you deny it’s a comparision. You are lying. Apologize and move on, dumbass. The only dummy is you all over this site, so stupid that you got your dumb, White racist ass deleted. Go wear the dunce cap. It’s OK, Razzie. I’m sure you’re familiar with the pointed cone shape, like that KKK cap your mother and father fitted on that empty head of yours. Dr. King was willing to go to jail for his beliefs and convictions, too. Razzie: “Yeah, so was Hitler.” SMH.

            5. “You’re seriously asking for a picture of me even after I’ve described you as a “stalker”? And as a kid to boot? You’re one creepy guy, Joseph Wright, alleged teacher. Regardless, we’ve established you’re the liar here, not me. You’re the one with zero credibility.” How can we even believe that last minute smoke screen about the Warren Moon poster?It’s not like I’m asking a kid for his picture. You’re a grown-ass moron, er, man. No one is stalking you. Wanna read some stalking? how about this: “Are you a Black Nationalist? Are you a Muslim? How do you feel when you see a White man with a Black woman?” Sounds like Donald Trump asking for President Barack Obama’s birth certificate and college academic records as well as Hillary Clinton asking if Obama is a Muslim (Hillary Clinton got her racist tendencies from her start in politics working for and being contaminated by Barry Goldwater). You said you said Warren Moon’s poster. Where’s the proof to believe you, lying redneck.

            6. I mentioned John Conyers because he just resigned yesterday, moron. You really couldn’t figure that out? Wow. On the state comparisons I meant to add California’s Harvey Weinstein and the ongoing implosion of that Hollywood cesspool.

            7. That’s your cowardly dodge of me nailing you for your lying about my “drop in the bucket” quote you’ve been falsely saying was about blacks but not whites? I just proved you were lying by quoting it and showing it was about “both”. It wouldn’t have been racist anyway if it had just been about black cases, but it’s one more documented, proven lie by you. And you’re not even man enough to admit it. At least chalk it up as you having committed an “error” or something. Man, you suck.”–Rasputin
            How stupid you are. You just cut yourself: “It wouldn’t have been racist anyway if it had just been about black cases…” Razzie translation: “Black lives/deaths STILL don’t matter.”

            8. You dodged the question AGAIN, wuss? If my “drop in the bucket” quote is supposedly “racist” (which we’ve proven it’s not) and all “racist” posts get deleted as you falsely claimed, then why is the post still standing?” I never said “all” racist posts get deleted. Reading comprehension has NEVER been one of your strengths, redneck. Just those that really cross the line. Then again maybe it’s the writer of the site. Maybe you offended Ron Borges. What happened, did you say or infer that David O’Brien was a drunken Irishman? Coming from you, I wouldn’t be surprised. I guess Rick Gosselin is more tolerant of your class of people. Or maybe he just drank too much of the Texas water.

            “And you’re not smarter than anyone here, little Joey. You’re probably even stupider than X and Ali were, which is saying a lot.” First off, I KNOW I’m smarter than you. Second, the correct way to write that would be “even more stupid.” Try to avoid saying “stupider” in public. Even though I understand they don’t teach proper English at Confederate County College.

            9. I’m gonna quote this whole comment from you because it’s unintentionally funny and indicative of your broader meltdown. Wanna see a REAL meltdown, readers. Check out THESE from Rasputin: “Are you freaking kidding me? I post thoughtful, fact-based replies to both of David O’Brien’s idiotic ad hominem posts above and MY posts (yes, they are…were?–YOUR posts.They did get erased, after all) get deleted?!?! It’s certainly not a “conversation” if the other side doesn’t get a chance to speak (Talk of Fame did shut down his White racist ass). I’ve been a regular on this site for a long time and I don’t recall ever having or seeing posts deleted.” LMFAO!!! LOL!!! This one ALWAYS cracks me up. It gets better from the redneck: “…It’s also disgusting that you’d bring it (Jasper, TX) up out of the blue and exploit it for such a childish reason as to invent a complete lie in a desperate bid to try to get me.” Ridiculous paranoia.

            “”I’m with Dr. Martin Luther King.” Yet Razzie also said–“No one should brag about having a “peaceful” protest.” The Dr. King backing is a Razzie scam. His parents and family probably cheered the MLK assassination as passionately, if not more, than the JFK murder. Sick people your mother and father, to nurture and raise a racist like you.

            10. You have no point, halfwit. Trump got to be president by stirring up and feeding on White racists’ passions and fears. unless, of course, his buddy Putin had some involvement in the process. The point is made well and clear: Trump is a racist AND a communist sympathizer.

            11. “Second hand garbage from a drunken flake?” It wasn’t Paul Zimmerman himself speaking, moron. Hence it was second hand. And I’ve also seen Namath practically slobber all over Suzy Kolber on national tv while saying he’d like to kiss her, so yes, he’s a well known drunken flake. I’m still waiting for you to find enough courage to seek input on this from other witnesses, the writers who run this site.” The writers are “second hand”, too, genius. Zimmerman can’t even talk because his body (God?) shut his racist bigoted ass down. So you go with the knowledge and experiences of other people. I’ll go with Namath. he knew Z and obviously didn’t enjoy being in his racist class of people.

            12. “You want a picture of me as a child AND my real name, you creepy lunatic? No thanks, “Joseph Wright” (or whatever your real name is).” You use “Rasputin” because you’re a racist and the pseudonym allows you to hide behind your hatred.

            Later, redneck coward.

          • Rasputin
            December 7, 2017

            “Any non-White individual who would cozy up to White racists like Glenn Beck, Donald Trump, George H.W. Bush, Rush Limbaugh and the like is a spineless sellout.”

            None of those people are “racists”, and you calling any “non-White” person who associates with them a “sellout” (in this case Alveda Scott King) is just another manifestation of your own racial bigotry, Joseph Wright. You’re judging people by their skin color and saying black people all have to think the same way….or else.

            “Those deaths have absolutely nothing to do with Malcolm X and Black Lives Matter says Johnson wasn’t a member of their group. The police have only said they believe he was influenced by Black Lives Matter. Get your facts straight, redneck. Johnson acted alone.”

            He literally used the words “Black Lives Matter” before he died after killing those cops at a BLM rally, you weak idiot. BLM doesn’t have membership cards. It’s a movement. Even you just conceded the police said he was “influenced” by them. I said society is still suffering from the destructive legacy of Malcolm X and bigoted black nationalist ideology. You asked for 5 examples. I listed the police officers murdered in Dallas last year because Johnson wanted (as he said) to kill “white” people and cops. Malcolm X publicly called for those things. His poisonous racial chauvinism infects modern society in things ranging from violence like that to the bigoted, stupid prejudice in your own comments.

            Face it, you made a careless challenge and got crushed out of the park.

            1. Rasputin: “Isn’t it evil to call for the “suffering” of “babies” and “women” simply because of their skin color?”

            Joseph Wright (reluctantly): “I would say yes.”

            So you admit that Malcom X was evil, especially in that 1963 speech you singled out and praised earlier as perhaps his greatest achievement? The one where he attacked white people as inherently vile, evil animals, opposed racial integration, claimed “the white man” was getting the race war he deserved, and said he wanted white “babies” and “women” to suffer?

            2. I didn’t change anything, liar. Answer my question. Wasn’t Ali ignorant for not knowing anything about Islam?

            3. What part of what I said don’t you get? Quit trying to change the subject, coward. Here’s another Kareem Abdul Jabbar quote: “Although I was greatly influenced by Malcolm X, a leader in the Nation of Islam, I chose not to join because I wanted to focus more on the spiritual rather than political aspects. Eventually, Malcolm rejected the group right before three of its members assassinated him…”

            And another Kareem quote: “My devotion to Islam was absolute. I even agreed to marry a woman whom Hammas suggested for me, despite my strong feelings for another woman. Ever the team player, I did as “Coach” Hammas recommended. I also followed his advice not to invite my parents to the wedding — a mistake that took me more than a decade to rectify. Although I had my doubts about some of Hammas’ instruction, I rationalized them away because of the great spiritual fulfillment I was experiencing. But my independent spirit finally emerged. Not content to receive all my religious knowledge from one man, I pursued my own studies. I soon found that I disagreed with some of Hammas’ teachings about the Quran, and we parted ways. In 1973, I traveled to Libya and Saudi Arabia to learn enough Arabic to study the Quran on my own. I emerged from this pilgrimage with my beliefs clarified and my faith renewed.”

            He’s talking about Hamaas Abdul Khaalis, the former high ranking Nation of Islam official I educated you about earlier who converted him to Islam, later had his own family brutally massacred by the Nation of Islam after denouncing its leadership and racist ideology, and eventually committed his own mass hostage terrorist attack, causing him to spend the rest of his life in prison.

            Joseph Wright (from earlier): “And what is wrong with the…Nation of Islam?”

            It’s a shame you can’t ask Malcolm X or Hamaas’ dead children that question.

            And even if Islam was a foreign nation, which it’s not, I’ve exhibited no “xenophobia”, you idiot.

            4. Are you really too stupid to remember that we were discussing Ali in that exchange, not King, or are you simply lying out of desperation? No one is a “hero” merely because they’re willing to go to jail for their beliefs. It matters what their cause is. This is a simple point even you should be able to grasp.

            5. I’m asking questions about your views since this place exists for people to give their opinions on topics, and since you’re falsely accusing others of things you’re actually guilty of (e.g. racial bigotry). You’re asking for pictures of me as a kid and for my real name (not that we know or care whether “Joseph Wright” is even your real name). Not the same. I actually still have the poster stored away somewhere, btw, but it doesn’t matter. I just cited it as a humorous aside and don’t really care whether you believe it or not.

            “Hillary Clinton got her racist tendencies from her start in politics working for and being contaminated by Barry Goldwater”

            LOL! I’d say you jumped the shark with this reach but that happened about 12 great whites ago.

            6. You just repeated what I said here without adding anything. Good.

            7. Rasputin: “That’s your cowardly dodge of me nailing you for your lying about my “drop in the bucket” quote you’ve been falsely saying was about blacks but not whites? I just proved you were lying by quoting it and showing it was about “both”. It wouldn’t have been racist anyway if it had just been about black cases, but it’s one more documented, proven lie by you. And you’re not even man enough to admit it. At least chalk it up as you having committed an “error” or something. Man, you suck.”

            Joseph Wright: “How stupid you are. You just cut yourself: “It wouldn’t have been racist anyway if it had just been about black cases…” Razzie translation: “Black lives/deaths STILL don’t matter.””

            LOL! Joseph Wright comment translated: “You’re right. I was wrong about the “drop in the bucket” comment being about black people and not white people and this pitiful untranslated reply is as close as I’ll get to admitting it. The comment wasn’t remotely racist, despite me insisting otherwise dozens of times. You’ve utterly owned me on this, Rasputin. I’ve been crushed on my central argument. Time to limp away to the next distraction and hope you don’t keep bringing this up.”

            8. “I never said “all” racist posts get deleted. Reading comprehension has NEVER been one of your strengths, redneck. Just those that really cross the line. Then again maybe it’s the writer of the site. Maybe you offended Ron Borges. What happened, did you say or infer that David O’Brien was a drunken Irishman? Coming from you, I wouldn’t be surprised. I guess Rick Gosselin is more tolerant of your class of people. Or maybe he just drank too much of the Texas water.”

            In all that garbage at least you admitted you have no idea what was in the posts. I already told you what was in them and why they likely got deleted (legal details of ongoing criminal cases), but what’s important is that you admit you don’t know. But none of my other posts on that page or anywhere else have been deleted. Since we’ve established that you can’t find a single bigoted thing I’ve ever said in the posts you can read, then you repeatedly calling me things like “racist”, “bigot”, “skinhead”, White Supremacist”, “KKK”, “white nationalist”, “redneck”, “Nazi”, etc. countless times underscores what spectacular meltdown you’re having. Seriously, think about that.

            How do you know posts that “really cross the line” racially get deleted? By your own admission you have no idea what the deletion policy even is, LOL. Your reading comprehension sucks so bad, little Joey, that you don’t even understand what YOU write much of the time. Earlier you claimed you had never had any posts deleted, and stupidly insisted that meant none of them were racist. Are you now admitting that racist posts (like yours) can stand without being deleted?

            “First off, I KNOW I’m smarter than you. Second, the correct way to write that would be “even more stupid.” Try to avoid saying “stupider” in public. Even though I understand they don’t teach proper English at Confederate County College.”

            LOL! “Stupider” is a real word, halfwit. Look it up. You aren’t smarter than anyone here, little Joey, but it’s hilarious when you try to get pedantic and faceplant like that.

            9. Yawn. You completely dodged my comment ripping you to shreds and changed the subject like the wussy coward you are. My response skewered you so badly that you’ve been left squirming. You confused the word “paranoia” with “judgment” (or something along that line). Oh and you attacked my parents again, whom you know nothing about, I guess as a desperation tactic to try and make me mad. For the record they did the opposite of “celebrate” those killings.

            10. “Trump got to be president by stirring up and feeding on White racists’ passions and fears.”

            Strange then that he got more of the black vote than Republican presidential candidates had been getting, and that the decisive swing vote of Mid West working class people had just voted for Obama twice in a row before opting for Trump this time. Maybe people like you, Hillary Clinton, and Steven Colbert constantly lying about people and falsely accusing them of “racism” while ignoring real issues like the economy and law enforcement is a big reason why Trump won.

            “unless, of course, his buddy Putin had some involvement in the process.”

            Talk about stoking fears with excuses and lies from sore losers.

            “Trump is a racist AND a communist sympathizer.”

            Now Trump’s a “communist” too, moron? LOL! That’s rich given your support for Kaepernick, an actual communist sympathizer, the Black Panthers, a communist group, and the communist North Vietnamese regime during the war. Are you so rattled and desperate now that you’re just grabbing random words you know most view as “bad” and blindly tossing them out?

            You’ve gotten your ass kicked so hard here even I’m feeling a little sorry for you.

            “The point is made well and clear”

            It’s neither.

            11. “The writers are “second hand”, too, genius.”

            I’m glad you concede the point, you first disputed, that your alleged Namath comment on Paul Zimmerman was second hand. And yes, but the writers here represent three more witnesses and I’m betting on average they’re more sober and reliable. Maybe they could even direct you to some direct evidence from Zimmerman himself, since you haven’t found any.

            12. You still can’t post a single “racist” thing I’ve ever said, coward. You’ve spewed pages of racially bigoted comments though.

          • Joseph Wright
            December 8, 2017

            The GOP is rotting, leaving behind their message of ‘Family Values’ for a message stating that “You can rape my children (Roy Moore), and assault my wife (Donald Trump) as long as you will help reduce taxes on the wealthy and take healthcare away from the sick.”

            And as the ass-whupping of Rasputin by Joseph Wright (is it REALLY a fair fight? Wright is so much smarter than this ignorant, redneck racist) continues, the beatdown keeps coming:

            “Any non-White individual who would cozy up to White racists like Glenn Beck, Donald Trump, George H.W. Bush, Rush Limbaugh and the like is a spineless sellout.”–Me

            “None of those people are “racists”, and you calling any “non-White” person who associates with them a “sellout” (in this case Alveda Scott King) is just another manifestation of your own racial bigotry…” –Rasputin

            Any clear-thinking non-White with any shred of self-respect would never support and socialize with someone who: ripped President Obama specifically because he’s Black, take and twist Dr. King’s words to advance White racist objectives, and slander Obama for being a racist (Glenn Beck); call Mexicans rapists, question Obama’s integrity–birth certificate, college records–obsessively, refer to a politician as “Pocahontas” at an event honoring Native Americans (AFTER Razzie did it), says a Latino can’t be a fair judge–because he’s Latino (La Raza is bigoted?), and calls Black NFL players “sons of bitches” (Trump); refuses to sign a Civil Rights bill, calls his half-Latino grandchildren “the little Brown ones” (La Raza is bigoted?), and appoints Clarence Thomas as a Supreme Court judge to oppose all affirmative action and other cases that will benefit non-Whites (H.W.Bush); does regular Amos & Andy skits, calls Donovan McNabb overrated because he is Black, and calls President Obama “Puff the Magic Negro” (Limbaugh). Beck, Trump, H.W. Bush, and Limbaugh are racists, period.

            “He literally used the words “Black Lives Matter” before he died after killing those cops at a BLM rally, you weak idiot.”

            So, dumbass? If a person says, “Holy mackerel,” does he worship a fish? What a numbskull.

            “BLM doesn’t have membership cards. It’s a movement. Even you just conceded the police said he was ‘influenced’ by them.”
            Dr. King was influenced by Ghandi. Was King a Buddist? Equally important, was King against Black people (*cough Clarence Thomas cough*) like Ghandi allegedly was?

            Rasputin: “Isn’t it evil to call for the “suffering” of “babies” and “women” simply because of their skin color?”

            There is an enormous difference between calling for it, then apologizing (Malcolm X), than act on it (Thomas Jefferson, Bull Conner, Lester Maddox, Stonewall Jackson and Donald Trump) and show absolutely NO remorse. You blame X for praying for the 120 White deaths on the plane crash. So do you think God really answered his prayers? And if He did, why don’t you get on God about it? Malcolm X had NOTHING to do with that crash (how about the White pilots or the White plane manufacturers or White mechanics? ) or the death of the five cops in Dallas. When you reach that deep up in your ass, all you’ll come up with is crap, nitwitted skinhead.

            Given that you were “born in the late ’70s,” did you fight in the Middle East, the stupid war that George W. put us in? From your view that would make you “more patriotic” than Ali. And as for the “much” usage that you misused and I totally obliterated your ass on ( Razzie’s ridiculously graphic response–instead of admitting he’s wrong–“take 16 percent of your body off and tell me that’s not much.” Stupid false parallel), did you come out of the U.S. Military (we know you didn’t go to college, much less graduate) permanently wounded? Don’t be mad at Ali. He was exercising his right to be a conscientious objector. The U.S. Supreme court saw that he was right and voted unanimously in his favor. Get used to it, can’t change it. Maybe you should have executed your White Privilege as Megyn Kelly pointed out you DO have.

            ” I didn’t change anything, liar. Answer my question. Wasn’t Ali ignorant for not knowing anything about Islam?”–Rasputin.
            It all depends on the definition of ignorant that you are now childishly changing and flip-flopping on. There is a large difference between being uninformed (An American who doesn’t know how to speak Russian is not “ignorant,” they just don’t know the language. It’s not a character flaw as you were making Ali out to have in the first 20 years of his life, dumbass. Do you know Swahili? Of course, readers, the redneck is now rushing to google to look up some Swahili words and phrases. LOL!) and stubbornly insisting on believing invalid ideas (“Kareem Abdul-Jabbar was in the Nation of Islam,” “Roger Staubach had a better second season in the NFL than R.Cunningham,” “I’ve never been deleted.”).

            3) What subject am I trying change? Hey, Dunce boy…Abdul-Jabbar said he “never met Malcolm. It was his (autobiography) that turned me around.” Malcolm was OUT OF the NOI when he and Alex Haley started and completed their collaboration on the book. He was deceased when the book was published. So, obviously, Kareem was NEVER in the Nation, numbskull. Hammas was OUT OF the NOI when he met with Kareem in 1968. Abdul-Jabbar says this in his autobiography (that you ignorantly refuse to read), he says this in Muhammad Ali:His Life and Times (that you ignorantly refuse to read), he said this in EBONY and JET Magazines in the ’70s (that you would likely ignorantly refuse to read–there is google and microfilm, dumbass). He was never a NOI Muslim. Ever. You are being ignorant (the stubborn, character-flawed definition). Your are also, as usual, taking bits and pieces out of context to prove an invalid point. Ignorance AND deceit. You didn’t “educate” me about Hammas, redneck. I’ve known about him for years. When he met Kareem, Hammas had left the NOI and no longer held its philosophies. White racist claiming to “educate” me, a History teacher, about Black people? GTFOH!

            “…we were discussing Ali in that exchange, not King, or are you simply lying out of desperation? No one is a “hero” merely because they’re willing to go to jail for their beliefs. It matters what their cause is. This is a simple point even you should be able to grasp.”–Rasputin
            What I grasp is “It matters what the cause is (only if Rasputin agrees with it).” King embraced Ali’s stand, you who weren’t even born (allegedly) when Ali was exonerated by the U.S. Supreme Court (did THEY ever unanimously vote in favor of anyone like Hitler or Bin Laden, who you stupidly compared Ali to?) do not. King and many others (are Gerald Ford and Donna Reed “not diverse enough” for you?) are on the right side of history for backing Ali’s stand. You are not.

            Your last-ditch scheme to prove you’re not a racist (“I had a Poster of Warren Moon on my wall growing up.” Yeah, right) was a desperate, flat-out lie along with your fake Dr. King backing. Then you clumsily tried to turn it into a child molestation thing (I’m not your guy, Roy Moore). Trying to change the subject, just like White racists like you and Donald Trump have tried to make Kaepernick’s stand about disrespecting the flag and the military instead of what Kaepernick’s stand IS REALLY about: Police brutality against innocent Blacks.

            Just like Cam Newton later, you always have to get in a Black guy, John Conyers, to throw under the bus to deflect the wrongdoings of Whites, whether it be Jimmy the Greek getting fired for racist statements or Romo failing to make the Pro Bowl. Why couldn’t you use Roger Ailes (fired FOX TV Exec) or Steve Lyons (FOX baseball)? And you still didn’t say how Conyers messed up the U.S. SMH. Cowardly redneck sleazebucket.

            Give me a date when I said you were deleted for the “drops in a bucket” statement. You can’t. Smokescreens are your specialty. Your ass was stupid enough to get deleted. I never have been. Once again, the deleted redneck is fighting a lost cause with another lie.

            Your deletion is a result of “legal details of ongoing criminal cases,” huh?
            Yeah, keep telling yourself that. None of us are buying it, deleted skinhead. None of us know what you said because the site snatched your ignorance–no doubt written with over-the-top bigotry–so quickly so the site wouldn’t get shut down. You’re an embarrassment. I have NEVER been deleted because I have never written anything racist, redneck. You perceive racism when it isn’t even in the picture.

            “Trying to get me” is paranoia not judgement.

            You know Trump is in bed with Putin and Russia.

            You know Namath stopped talking with Z because of Z’s hang-up with his socializing with his Black teammates on the Jets more than the White Jets and Z publicly suggested the old bigoted, institutionally racist practice of turning a talented Black passer from QB to another position. Zimmerman has racial problems. Only a White racist in denial would dispute that. Your White racist parents did a successful job of poisoning your mind.

            Later, bigot. Cookie Gilchrist would be disgusted by you.

          • Rasputin
            December 8, 2017

            Rasputin: “Isn’t it evil to call for the “suffering” of “babies” and “women” simply because of their skin color?”

            Joseph Wright: “There is an enormous difference between calling for it, then apologizing (Malcolm X),”

            But you specifically praised a speech where Malcolm X did precisely the former, along with opposing racial integration and generally stirring up hatred toward whites. You even cited that rally as the chief (and really only) example of Malcolm X’s alleged “great” accomplishments. That alone says everything anyone needs to know about you on race, Joseph Wright. You didn’t claim you misspoke or retract your earlier hissy fit over me calling Malcolm X “evil” as he clearly was in that phase of his life.

            The rest of your post was a bunch of lies tossed out in a desperate bid to deflect and distract. You mostly just repeated already debunked points while dodging my questions and arguments. That’s boring, as are your pathetic, also debunked off topic partisan talking points you couldn’t even regurgitate without garbling. I’ve thoroughly kicked your ass again, little Joey.

            I’ve used this exchange to draw your bigotry out and expose it for all to see, while you’ve failed to find a single bigoted comment I’ve ever made, disproving your initial claim.

            The bottom line is that you’re a coward, a racial bigot, and a moron.

          • Joseph Wright
            December 9, 2017

            And Thomas Jefferson, Stonewall Jackson, Bull Conner, Lester Maddox and Donald Trump did actually DO those things. You brush them off entirely. You have given Thomas Jefferson a complete pass on being a slave owner and a rapist.

            When did Malcolm X enslave Whites? Who did X ever murder? When did he ever set firehoses on Whites, or have dogs attack Whites? When did he ever attempt to block Whites entering any Islamic place of business or Black place of business with an ax handle? When did he ever grab women’s crouches or publicly call White men “sons of bitches? Malcolm X was far from an evil man but Jefferson, Jackson, Conner, Maddox, and Trump actually are. You lied about X and created a racial double-standard in the process.

          • Rasputin
            December 10, 2017

            Your dishonest historical distortions aren’t worth getting into, but the difference is no one is praising Thomas Jefferson for being a slave owner, you idiot. By contrast you DID praise Malcolm X for THAT SPEECH where he condemned white people as evil animals, opposed racial integration, called for a race war against them, and specifically called for white babies and women to suffer. In fact that was the top and really only example you gave of his alleged “greatness”.

            It was Thomas Jefferson, not Malcolm X, who wrote “all men are created equal.” Since slavery was accepted by default around the world for most of human history, especially in Africa where slavery (both black on black and Arab on black) was widespread for centuries, if Malcolm X’s ancestors hadn’t been taken to America there’s a good chance their descendants would be slaves today in Africa. It was founding American principles that eventually led to freedom for blacks and, directly or indirectly, to freedom for billions of people of all colors around the world. If the USA hadn’t been founded much of the earth would be enslaved in some fashion now, and the planet would be dominated by totalitarian regimes.

            Malcolm X’s legacy is racial division, hatred, and death.

            Thomas Jefferson’s legacy is human freedom.

            That you prefer the former only further makes my case.

          • Joseph Wright
            December 11, 2017

            “…if Malcolm X’s ancestors hadn’t been taken to America there’s a good chance their descendants would be slaves today in Africa.”

            No, nitwit. His ancestors would have remained free and so would the descendants. Slavery was plain wrong and Jefferson’s hands are saturated in the institution’s blood.

            Now for the White Supremecy: “It was founding American principles that eventually led to freedom for Blacks and, directly or indirectly, to freedom for billions of people of all colors around the world.” “American principles?” If that were the case, the Civil War would never have happened. Mexico had abolished slavery 36 years before the U.S. and Canada abolished practicing it 32 years before the South bit the dust, after it’s trashing by the North. What the hell are you talking about, dumbass?

            “Malcolm X’s legacy is racial division, hatred, and death.”
            Only to White racists.

            “Thomas Jefferson’s legacy is human freedom.”
            A slave owner and a rapist. Suuuurrre.

            “That you prefer the former only further makes my case.”
            What case? You have none.

            Cookie Gilchrist gave me that nugget on Canada’s progressive thinking as opposed to America. Of course, reading that book would be catagorized by you as, “Not diverse enough.” And so your ignorance continues.

            And given that Mexico abolished slavery before both, and had a Black president to boot, is the abolishment of slavery REALLY an “American principle?” Educate yourself, redneck fool!

          • Rasputin
            December 11, 2017

            You keep running away from the fact that you specifically praised Malcolm X’s racially repugnant, thoroughly evil speech quoted above, while no one is praising these diversionary other people you keep bringing up for slavery or whatever else you’re accusing them of. Stop being a coward and cop to that, little Joey. Either own up to being evil or admit you messed up. It’s ok to admit you’re wrong.

            “No, nitwit. His ancestors would have remained free and so would the descendants.”

            How can you possibly know that, moron? Black slavery started in Africa among blacks and continued long after being abolished in the West. Muslims in particular practiced it extensively into the 20th Century until pushed to stop by the Christian West, making the ignorant comments and actions of people like Kareem Abdul Jabbar and Muhammad Ali deeply ironic.

            “Now for the White Supremecy: “It was founding American principles that eventually led to freedom for Blacks and, directly or indirectly, to freedom for billions of people of all colors around the world.” “American principles?” If that were the case, the Civil War would never have happened. ”

            Actually those founding American principles led to the Civil War and subsequent abolition, dumbass. And what I said has nothing to do with “White Supremecy” (sic).

            “Mexico had abolished slavery 36 years before the U.S. and Canada abolished practicing it 32 years before the South bit the dust, after it’s trashing by the North. What the hell are you talking about, dumbass?….Cookie Gilchrist gave me that nugget on Canada’s progressive thinking as opposed to America.”

            Maybe if you had received your historical education from someone more scholarly than Cookie Gilchrist (LOL!) you might know that “Canada” was just part of the British Empire at the time, and that BRITAIN abolished slavery then, led by evangelical Christian activists like William Wilberforce (hear that, Kareem?).

            I never said the US was the first country to abolish slavery, but those founding American principles I mentioned are what led to freedom for AMERICAN blacks. And it didn’t start in 1865, ignoramus. Since you bring it up, most northern US states started abolishing slavery immediately after the Revolution. Southern states didn’t because the soil made slavery extremely profitable for large scale plantations. Slavery persisted longer in the British Empire than it did in many US states despite it having even less economic rationale in some of those places (like Canada) than it did in northern US states. It had even LESS rationale in Mexico, lol, where even “free” people were peasants who were barely a step above official slaves, and which was ruled by a string of corrupt and/or oppressive regimes, including Santa Anna who shredded the Mexican Constitution and made himself a dictator (“progressive”?).

            For the record French Canadians used to take white American COLONISTS as slaves, buying them from Indians who kidnapped them and transported them north. That’s in addition to the widespread slavery practiced by various Indian tribes in both the US and Canada, and the blacks imported as slaves into Canada.

            Despite my earlier comment being about US policy, the truth is the American Revolution and its principles penned by Jefferson in 1776, like “all men are created equal”, had enormous influence on the rest of the world too. It’s why nations, including Britain (and later a semi-independent Canada), started moving toward democracy. Latin American revolutionaries (like Mexico’s) explicitly modeled many features on the US example. American principles also strengthened anti-slavery forces around the world.

            But when I said these US principles “led…directly or indirectly, to freedom for billions of people of all colors around the world”, I was talking about both the inspirational influence (indirectly) and the US, as a mighty power, defeating forces like Nazism, Japanese Imperialism, and communism that otherwise would have dominated the planet (directly). It was the US that even led the charge on making European imperialism taboo (e.g. see 1956 Suez Crisis, or the US negotiating position after WW1 denouncing territorial conquest as a legitimate motive for war; a sea change in global history). And today it’s the US that takes the lead on combating international sex slavery rings.

            However, your instinctive, ignorant anti-American reaction is noted and expected.

            Trashing you never gets old.

          • Joseph Wright
            December 12, 2017

            You are giving Thomas Jefferson–and the Southern U.S.–an absolute pass on slavery. Amazing. Razzie’s response, readers: “Blacks should quit complaining. Slavery wasn’t THAT bad.”

            Once again, still looking for your answers to these questions:
            Speaking of my hero, Malcolm X, where are your answers or rebuttals? You have nothing but silence on these: Did he ever: Kill anyone (The White guys in Jasper,TX; Jeffery Dahmer; George Zimmerman; James Earl Ray) ? Enslave or rape anyone (*cough–Thomas Jefferson –cough*)? Incite a riot? Assault anyone? Order dogs to attack anyone–of another race than his own (Bull Conner)? Burn a crescent (or cross) on anyone’s front lawn? Physically harm any White people? Did he ever publicly call Whites “sons of bitches? (Trump)” Did he ever grab a woman’s crotch without her consent (Trump AND Jefferson)? Did he ever tap people’s phones (Richard Nixon)?

            Number of Sexual misconduct, rape, and assault allegations:

            Donald Trump: 19 Barack Obama: 0

            Slaves owned and raped:

            Thomas Jefferson: Numerous Malcolm X: None

            Take your losses and learn from them, you dumb young skinhead (if, of course, you WERE born in the late 70s). Slavery was not the fault of Blacks in Africa. It was engineered by Whites. Quit deflecting the sources of the problem (White people). Defending slavery enforced by Whites in America is a racist statement by you. As the many others on this site, a site which you were once deleted. Let’s talk about the true justification of THAT. Failing to expand your mind and reading other sources than just nurturing your White racist views and thoughts will only just further expose you as the White racist you are on this site.

            I knew something was wrong when I saw you on this Cookie Gilchrist site. Why are you always following around Kaepernick. Is he your obsession and crush and you’re his stalker? Like Trump obsesses over Barack Obama and Megyn Kelly as well as STILL being butthurt over being closed out by the NFL owners–since the 1980s? SMH.

          • Rasputin
            December 12, 2017

            You’re done, coward. You just keep dodging every pertinent question while repeating already debunked, off topic lies. At least the endless drivel you’ve spewed here has the benefit of having revealed to anyone reading this what a raging racial bigot you are. You lost again, moron.

            Joseph Wright Hall of Shame

            “And what is wrong with the Nation of Islam, Malcolm X and the Black Panthers?” – Joseph Wright

            “Harris was a White man and, when it came time to defend Lynn Swann, he couldn’t jump.” – Joseph Wright

            “White safeties like Cliff Harris, Larry Wilson, and Charlie Waters WERE garbage in the ’70s and beyond.” – Joseph Wright

            “You White folks seem to change the meaning all the time.” – Joseph Wright

            “…players like Harris, Larry Wilson, Dick Anderson, Blackwood Brothers were relics from the 60s who couldn’t hold up against modern athletes” – Joseph Wright

            “It’s players like Cliff Harris, Larry Wilson, Dick Anderson and Bill Bates that USC’s Sam Cunningham exploited that gave Paul “Bear” Bryant the vision and validation (to closed-minded, in-denial Confederates) to update his talent pool. The Larry Wilsons and Cliff Harrises were out and the Tatums and Ken Houstons were in” – Joseph Wright (among other things, exhibiting timeline and geography confusion)

            “Cliff Harris was on the track team (lol)? What’d he do? Throw the javelin? Run the mile? Poll vault? I KNOW it wasn’t the sprints or the high-jump. LMFAO!!!” – Joseph Wright (Harris was actually a collegiate sprinter)

            “Harris couldn’t run OR jump” – Joseph Wright (actually Harris posted an impressive 39 inch vertical in a scouting test)

            “Another case of White folks trying to steal something that wasn’t theirs” – Joseph Wright (his characterization of the US war effort and sacrifice against communists in the Vietnam War)

            “Whites like you have a far worse track record of inhumanity to non-Whites.” – Joseph Wright (judging people by the color of their skin rather than the content of their character)

            “I love this one: “I prefer MLK’s niece Alveda King.” That sellout, financial opportunist. A spineless woman who is trying to exploit and live off her uncle’s name (It worked: like many Black sellouts, she got a gig as a FOX News Channel contributor)” – Joseph Wright (attacking Alveda Scott King because she criticized Colin Kaepernick’s form of protest, and attacking blacks who disagree with him politically as racial “sellouts”)

            “”White people are my enemy.” That statement by Ali is nowhere near to close to showing he is a racist or bigot” – Joseph Wright (defending Muhammad Ali’s bigoted Nation of Islam phase that even Ali disowned years later)

            “The first part is a no-win answer best expressed by Ali: “I being persecuted by White people for saying I don’t want to be with a White woman. Chubby Checker is catching hell from Whites for marrying one!” I’ll make a deal with you, Razzie. Show me a picture of you and your Black wife, then I’ll go further. Deal?” – Joseph Wright (defending the NOI’s opposition to interracial marriage)

            “Ali WAS right.” – Joseph Wright (agreeing with Ali’s opposition to interracial marriage during his NOI phase)

            “That’s not separatism, that’s common sense.” – Joseph Wright

            “BTW, whenever I see a Black woman with a White guy, I say, “Oh well. Her loss.” – Joseph Wright

            Rasputin: “Jews are an ETHNICITY as well as a religion”
            Joseph Wright: “Wrong. Semites are an ethnicity. Judaism, which terms its worshipers “Jewish,” is a religion.” (the self-proclaimed “history teacher” denying that the Jewish people exist as an ethnicity, “Semites” being a broader term that includes Arabs)

            “They are not an ethnicity, dumbass. Judaism (and being “Jewish”) is a religion.” – Joseph Wright (doubling down on a position that would surprise the huge number of secular Jews, the state of Israel, and educated people around the world)

            “Even if Blacks were giving an ample piece of land (e.g, the state of California), I would still be skeptical. I take my cues from my father: “If that happened, some White racists…would build a powerful bomb…and aim it!” – Joseph Wright (giving his practical reason for being reluctant to support a black-only nation carved out of the US)

            “Ali said, “I don’t hate nobody and I ain’t lynched nobody. We Muslims don’t hate the White man. It’s like we don’t hate a tiger. But we know that a tiger’s nature is not compatible with people’s nature since they love to eat people. So we don’t want to live with tigers. It’s the same with the White man. The White race attacks Black people. They don’t ask what’s your religion, what’s your belief? They just start whupping heads.” That’s not racism. That’s common since fostered by survival instinct.” – Joseph Wright (defending Ali’s support for racial separation due to whites’ alleged inherent “nature” during his bigoted NOI phase; the statement was in accordance with NOI doctrine that whites are subhuman “devils” created by an evil ancient scientist, the biblical Jacob, more commonly known as the father of the Israelites and today’s Jews; Nation of Islam leaders routinely refer to Jews as “Satanic”)

            “As for the Panthers breaking Shakur out of prison…Are you serious? Do you also believe in the Tooth Fairy, The Easter Bunny, and Santa Claus? LOL!…. Her escape was obviously an inside job and the prison was covering for itself with that documented lie.” – Joseph Wright (commenting on convicted cop killer and Black Panther Assata Shakur’s escape from prison and subsequent flight to Cuba with the help of armed Black Panther comrades)

            “No, I never condoned Malcolm X’s glee over the 120 Whites who died in the plane crash. However, it’s not like HE killed them. Like Hitler murdered millions of people.” – Joseph Wright (perhaps the most surreal excuse for vile hatred and evil sentiment ever)

            “So you’ll embrace the “greatness” of the White individual (Jefferson) but see no greatness in the Black individual (X/Shabazz)?” – Joseph Wright (comparing Malcolm X favorably to Thomas Jefferson)

            ““3) I am not with the ultramodest dress code for the women. I like to know what a woman with a pretty face is working with, body-wise and hair-wise.
            4) I love ham sandwiches, barbecued ribs, and pork hotlinks way too much to give them up to convert to Islam.”” – Joseph Wright (explaining why he hasn’t yet joined the Nation of Islam)

            “Of course, I have a Black wife” – Joseph Wright (it’s unclear if his wife is aware of the full reasons for his reluctance to become Muslim as given above)

            “Name one White has ever publicly called another White in the NFL out for being a racist. It doesn’t happen. It’s covered up.” – Joseph Wright (explaining that he refuses to even ask Rick Gosselin, Clark Judge, and Ron Borges, who all know Paul Zimmerman, for their opinion about his claim that Zimmerman is “racist” because they’re white and he assumes they’ll all lie to protect a fellow white)

            “It is the overall sports journalists’ code, the same one that led Michael Wilbon to shamefully try to cover for the White writer…” – Joseph Wright (explaining that on top of being white, he also thinks Rick Gosselin, Ron Borges, and Clark Judge would lie to protect fellow writers)

            “As for Malcolm X’s accomplishments
            –On June 29, 1963 Malcolm X lead the Unity Rally in Harlem. It was one of the nation’s largest civil rights events.” – Joseph Wright (the one and only example Joseph Wright gave of X’s alleged “greatness”, a speech where he talked about the “white disease”, opposed racial integration, called for the suffering of white babies and women, said the “white man” was bringing a “race war” on himself, and told black people not to celebrate the 4th of July. Some essential excerpts from the speech Wright singled out for praise are quoted below)

            Malcolm X, “(Black) Unity Rally”, 1963″: “Don’t let the white man fool you. Don’t let the white man smile at you and lull you to sleep. Behind that smile is a vicious heart. Behind those teeth is an animal-like beast who doesn’t have it within him to want for you what he wants for himself and his own kind…

            When you look at that man you’re supposed to see him for exactly what he is, and if you want to know what he is examine his deeds. Forget his words…he’s got a whole lot of pretty sounding words. Watch his deeds. His deeds are like the deeds of a snake. The deeds of a serpent. The needs of a….the deeds of a dragon. The deeds of a reptile. The deeds of a beast. Why nothing but a race of beasts would take dogs and sic them on little black babies…..

            …it is these deeds that is causing the wrath of God to come down on the white man. And when you see him as he is and see how much hell he’s catching, you’re out of your mind to want to be with him. You’re out of his mind…you’re out of you’re mind to want to integrate with him. And you’re really out of your mind if you take time to forgive him and ask God to have mercy on him. No, ask God to judge him. Ask God to do unto him as he has done unto you. He has caused your babies to suffer, ask God to cause his babies to suffer. He has caused your women to suffer, ask God to heap suffering on his women.”

            “Two, as long as White racists behave toward Blacks as they have been (behaving racistly, violently, discriminatinatory) why would any Black individual want to stay amongst people that are mistreating them?” – Joseph Wright (conflating white people with “racists” in a rationale for racial separatism; as he unwittingly helps prove, racial bigotry comes in all colors)

            “I teach U.S. History. I have a degree and a teaching credential.” – Joseph Wright

            That last quote may be the most disturbing one of all.

            By contrast, little Joey, you can’t find a single racially bigoted thing I’ve ever said. Not one. Think about that.

          • Joseph Wright
            December 13, 2017

            Racist statements from Rasputin:

            “Malcolm X was an evil man.”

            “It’s probably BS.”–on Spencer Haywood’s observations of Whites delirious happiness and joy at a golf country club he worked at as a youth on the day news came out on President Kennedy’s assassination.

            “No, thanks. I need more diversity.”–on the recommendation to read autobiographies and books by and about Malcolm X; Jim Brown; Bill Russell; Muhammad Ali; Kareem Adbul-Jabbar; Alex Haley; and Warren Moon. (Find it interesting that he won’t even read a book on his “Poster Boy” Warren Moon. He considers HIM and the other men racist. Without reading the books. Narrow-minded, racist, cowardly and ignorant.)

            Refuses to answer the questions: where are your answers or rebuttals? You have nothing but silence on these: Did he ever: Kill anyone (The white guys in Jasper,TX; Jeffery Dahmer; George Zimmerman; James Earl Ray) ? Enslave or rape anyone (*cough–Thomas Jefferson –cough*)? Incite a riot? Assault anyone? Order dogs to attack anyone–of another race than his own (Bull Conner)? Burn a crescent (or cross) on anyone’s front lawn? Physically harm any White people? Did he ever publicly call Whites “sons of bitches?” Did he ever grab a woman’s crotch without her consent (Trump AND Jefferson)? Did he ever tap people’s phones (Richard Nixon)?

            Refusal to answer the questions above shows an true White racist in denial.

            Michelle Obama is a law graduate. I am sure she can write her own speech as you cowardly admitted Ivanka Trump cannot (although Mrs. Trump is a shameless plageriazer). As for Mrs. Obama’s “This is the first time I’m really proud of my country comment…” your reaction is totally predictable. For non-Whites with sense, our love for this country is not unconditional. The U.S. too often lives by the spirit of Thomas Jefferson’s words: “All White men are created equal.” Too often it does not live up to the letter of the words: “All men are created equal.”

            And although the Obama’s sent their daughter to work as an intern for Weinstein, he didn’t rape her like Jefferson raped Sallie Hemmings.
            Jefferson was a racist slave-owning rapist. Canada abolished its slavery before the U.S. Cookie Gilchrist researched that before he went to Canada to play in the CFL, numbskull.

          • Rasputin
            December 14, 2017

            Neither of those quotes are remotely “racist”. Here are some examples of actual racist comments:

            “BTW, whenever I see a Black woman with a White guy, I say, “Oh well. Her loss.” – Joseph Wright

            “Another case of White folks trying to steal something that wasn’t theirs” – Joseph Wright

            “Harris was a White man and, when it came time to defend Lynn Swann, he couldn’t jump.” – Joseph Wright

            “You White folks seem to change the meaning all the time.” – Joseph Wright

            I didn’t even say the “No, thanks. I need more diversity” quote you falsely attributed to me. I said “Not very diverse” as a critical observation of YOUR ideologically narrow reading list, and advised you to expand it to break out of your bubble. I also never said I hadn’t read some of those (mostly ex athlete) guys you listed (I have), let alone that I haven’t read any black authors, you idiot.

            Neither of the two legitimate quotes of me in your post even mentioned race. I not only called Malcolm X an “evil man” (in his Nation of Islam phase) but proved my case with mountains of quotes showcasing his evil. Him being evil has nothing to do with his skin color. Your insistence that he WASN’T evil comes far closer to being racist, especially since you specifically endorsed one of his most racist speeches as his alleged chief “great” accomplishment. Me expressing skepticism of an extraordinary claim by Haywood that flies in the face of all publicly available evidence (and would therefore be almost irrelevant even if true) and my own anecdotal experience isn’t remotely racist either.

            Being the coward you are, the rest of your post is mostly repeating debunked lies while dodging my already posted refutations and adding some more examples of your ignorance (Trump’s wife is Melania not “Ivanka”, moron, and George Zimmerman isn’t “white”). As for your “non-Whites with sense” comment (even that’s more racist than anything I’ve said), I’d take Dr. Thomas Sowell, Colonel Allen West, and Sheriff David Clarke over Michelle Obama (a deeply ignorant and unpleasant woman) in the sense department any day.

            Your futile attempt to imitate my tactic is an implicit concession that it’s effective. The problem is you’ve said a lot of racially bigoted things here I can quote, while I haven’t said any.

          • Joseph Wright
            December 15, 2017

            “I didn’t even say the “No, thanks. I need more diversity” quote you falsely attributed to me. I said “Not very diverse” as a critical observation of YOUR ideologically narrow reading list.”–Rasputin.

            Well, redneck, it was, as you have previously said, “close enough.” You had a civil rights activist, two authors, and four athletes. There were two Christians, two Muslims, and two Agnostics. Among them you had one Republican and one Independent. How is that “not very diverse,” dumbass? All you spew is White racist propaganda, all of which are lies.

            The whole cowardly denial about White racism is a smear on your credibility. You constantly try to twist history to make it like Whites had nothing to do with slavery or that others did it far worse. You’re like Lindsay Lohan trying to point out Malia Obama “See! She smokes weed! She uses drugs, too!” Quit acting like a little girl and just deal with the facts and focus on your own backyard. Whites have done horrible things in this world (and definitely in America) to non-Whites and you give them an absolute pass. And you constantly justify slavery in as it happened in America. “it was practical and good for the economy.” SMH.

            As for the Whites who have shown true humanity, you trivialize them or brush them aside as “liberals.” What did Bill Clinton, FDR, JFK, or LBJ do that was far worse, as you characterized it, than Nixon, Reagan, the Bushes, or Trump?

            Never forget: After Roy Moore said gay people should be put in jail, after he said the country was better off under slavery, after he said Muslims have no place in public life, AND even after he was outed as a serial pedophile, Donald Trump ENDORSED him and FUNDED his campaign. Trump, as usual, tried to save face after another failure, this time saying,”I knew he’d (Moore) lose anyway.”

            As for Malcolm X being “an evil man,” Rasputin STILL has no answers for these questions that constantly kick him in the rear end and defeat him. Let the domination continue. I never get tired of whupping your dumb, White racist ass. Are you going to cowardly duck these questions–AGAIN?:

            Did he ever: Kill anyone (The white guys in Jasper,TX; Jeffery Dahmer; George Zimmerman–he is White, otherwise, why is his name Zimmerman; James Earl Ray) ? Enslave or rape anyone (*cough–Thomas Jefferson –cough*)? Incite a riot? Assault anyone? Order dogs to attack anyone–of another race than his own (Bull Conner)? Burn a crescent (or cross) on anyone’s front lawn? Physically harm any White people? Did he ever publicly call Whites “sons of bitches? (Like Trump did Blacks)” Did he ever grab a woman’s crotch without her consent (Trump AND Jefferson)? Did he ever tap people’s phones (Richard Nixon)? We are waiting for this answers. You have debunked nothing but copped out on everything.

            Number of Sexual misconduct, rape, and assault allegations:

            Donald Trump: 20 Barack Obama: 0

            Slaves owned and raped:

            Thomas Jefferson: Numerous Malcolm X: None

          • Rasputin
            December 16, 2017

            For effect let’s try an experiment reversing the colors in some of your comments, little Joey:

            “BTW, whenever I see a White woman with a Black guy, I say, “Oh well. Her loss.” – Joseph Wright

            “Another case of Black folks trying to steal something that wasn’t theirs” – Joseph Wright

            “Donovan McNabb was a Black man, and when it came to the Super Bowl he couldn’t think and folded in the clutch.” – Joseph Wright

            “”Black people are my enemy.” That statement is nowhere near to close to showing he is a racist or bigot” – Joseph Wright

            “”We Muslims don’t hate the Black man. It’s like we don’t hate a tiger. But we know that a tiger’s nature is not compatible with people’s nature since they love to eat people. So we don’t want to live with tigers. It’s the same with the Black man. The Black race attacks everyone. They don’t ask what’s your religion, what’s your belief? They just start whupping heads.” That’s not racism. That’s common since fostered by survival instinct.” – Joseph Wright

            “And what is wrong with the KKK, David Duke, and the Aryan Nation?” – Joseph Wright

            I dare you to tell me you wouldn’t instantly cry “racism!” if anyone said any of the above. Be honest for once. Heck, I’d agree with you. The difference is I’m consistent. You’re not.

            While you’re babbling off topic nonsense about presidents, random political crap (you’re almost as ignorant on politics as you are on general history), or pointless straw man arguments (I never said Malcolm X was the only evil guy in history, halfwit), I’m knocking the crap out of YOU. Anyone can see everything you just said about me is a lie, and note that you completely ignored your own ACTUAL comments I quoted above showcasing your racial bigotry, because you’re a cowardly moron who has had his ass kicked again. No amount of squirming or diversionary BS from you can change that.

          • Joseph Wright
            December 16, 2017

            Here is the problem with your false comparison inverse:

            1) The first comment about the White woman/Black man scenario only works if I’m a White guy making your inversed statement. Additionally, Stokely Carmichael said years ago, “The White woman can be MADE. Let’s move on to a more important discussion.”

            2) Name a country that Blacks have stolen (or non-Black people that have been enslaved by Blacks).

            3) Has there ever been a critically acclaimed, box-office smash movie called Black Men Can’t Think? How about Black Men Fold Under Pressure? You are so ignorant. The rout of Joseph Wright vs. Rasputin continues…

            4) Blacks never kidnapped millions of White people, packed them in the bottom of ships, taken them to a foreign land (that the Blacks stole), made them work and build the land through violent force (for free a vast majority of the time), raped the White women without legal reprimand, sold and split White families, force them, as free people, to live and do business separately away from Blacks, lynched them, etc., etc., etc…You get the point of your pointless argument, dumbass? Calling someone who has done such things–repeatedly– almost exclusively against your culture “my enemy” doesn’t mean you hate them. There is a big difference in “hating” and being leery.

            5) See number 4

            6) The KKK never educated White men, taught them to be self-sufficient, or protected and cleaned the White community. They did terrorize Black communities constantly, shooting through house windows, throwing cocktail explosives, and bombing churches. NOI never did that in White communities. David Duke never rehabilitated himself from his hateful views.

            As for the Aryan Nation, see the KKK.

            7) If a White individual in America said those things he would always be considered a racist. If, however, the respective American histories of Whites and Blacks were reversed, it would not be. Any intelligent individual can see that. Your simplistic reasoning is constantly indicting you, redneck.

            8) “While you’re babbling off topic nonsense about presidents, random political crap (you’re almost as ignorant on politics as you are on general history), or pointless straw man arguments (I never said Malcolm X was the only evil guy in history, halfwit), I’m knocking the crap out of YOU.”

            Really? No, you were the one saying that FDR, JFK, and LBJ were worse than Jefferson, Nixon, Reagan, the Bushes and Trump. I merely asked for examples of how and why (too cowardly to give answers or you found that there are none). Apparently, you have none. The only random political crap being thrown around is by you. All courtesy of the White racist propaganda that you read and watch (FOX News Channel). So, I guess you are finally conceding that Thomas Jefferson WAS an evil man (slave owner; rapist–that qualifies) as opposed to Malcolm X. Good, Razzie. You’re making progress. However STILL too cowardly to answer simple yes/no questions like:

            “Michelle Obama (a deeply ignorant and unpleasant woman)”–Rasputin

            How? Did she create “No Child Left Behind (*cough Laura Bush cough*)?”

            Did she ever run a stop sign and kill a classmate (*cough Laura Bush cough*)?”

            Did she ever copy a speech by Laura Bush?

            Back to where you belong, junior.

          • Rasputin
            December 17, 2017

            “The first comment about the White woman/Black man scenario only works if I’m a White guy making your inversed statement.”

            That was the point, moron. If a white guy said something like that you’d cry “racist” wouldn’t you? Yes or no? Be honest.

            “Name a country that Blacks have stolen (or non-Black people that have been enslaved by Blacks).”

            None of those quotes mentioned slavery. Another swing and a miss by Joseph Wright.

            Ever heard of Robert Mugabe? Like your Black Panther heroes he combines communism with black nationalism, and has systematically persecuted and ethnically cleansed whites from Zimbabwe in recent years. He’s told whites to “go back to England” and proudly proclaimed himself “Hitler of the time” (a black Hitler). White farmers have had their lands seized and given to blacks, and been murdered or attacked. The people who took the farms haven’t proved to be anywhere near as good at food production as the white farmers were, which is one reason Zimbabwe has plunged into such desperate straights and the military has just pushed the dictator out of power this year, 2017. No need for long memories or history books for these abuses. Whites have also faced abuses in South Africa to a lesser degree in recent years and elsewhere in Africa.

            That said, if we’re excluding mostly Muslim North Africa (where actually whites are still enslaved today in underground rings, usually kidnapped women for sex trading) and focusing on sub-Saharan (black) Africa, black tribes/nations have never been physically powerful enough to have the option of conquering Europe and/or engaging in a large scale slave import business. It’s not like Shaka’s Zulu Empire refrained from invading the West out of the goodness of its heart. Black Africans did export slaves though (more on that later), and they certainly spent a lot of time fighting, conquering, and enslaving each other, as people have all over the world. The colors on each side being different in some wars doesn’t necessarily make it any worse. If anything it’s racist to assume it does and automatically attack one power for expansion while giving a free pass to tribes trying to do the same thing or worse.

            I’ll add that non-whites have taken lots of white slaves throughout history, including Mongols, Ottoman (Muslim) Turks, and North Africans (Barbary slave traders; also Muslim). Slavic people in particular were enslaved so frequently (by both whites and non-whites) that we got the modern word “slave” from “Slav”.

            “Has there ever been a critically acclaimed, box-office smash movie called Black Men Can’t Think? How about Black Men Fold Under Pressure? You are so ignorant.”

            Does that mean you concede the inverse version would be racist?
            They’re each a racial stereotype. What does it matter if one’s the title of a movie? It was supposed to be ironic. Woody Harrelson’s character is a great basketball player who uses the anti-white stereotype to hustle local black players. Is your argument really that if something becomes a movie title it can’t be racist? You might want to rethink that, LOL.

            Besides, you weren’t using it ironically or just making a marginal joke, as the quotes of your other comments seriously (and wrongly) diminishing white safeties prove. You really believe that. You’re deeply ignorant.

            “Blacks never kidnapped millions of White people, packed them in the bottom of ships, taken them to a foreign land”

            Again, black tribes weren’t sailing large ships anywhere or conquering anyone but their neighbors. But those quotes didn’t mention slavery.

            For the record, the Christian West is the only civilization in human history to outlaw slavery on its own in a way that stuck without external pressure. It effectively did it first in the Dark Ages in Western Europe with the spread of Christianity because it became taboo to hold fellow Christians as slaves. As explained above, by the middle of the last millennium, with Asian and North African Muslims taking so many white (and black) slaves, Western Europe was about the only region that was slavery free. It was almost a case of “well everyone else is doing it so why not?”

            The importation of black slaves started several centuries after slavery had ended in the West when local black leaders wanted to trade with the new European merchants/explorers sailing down the coast. They didn’t have much in the way of currency but they had been practicing slavery locally for many centuries and offered slaves in exchange for European goods. The slaves (usually) weren’t Christian (or Muslim, Kareem, though many of the slavers were; and almost no Transatlantic slaves spoke Swahili, which is an east African language, Kwanzaa celebrators) so at first it was like a loophole.

            Plenty of whites (back then, not now) bear a lot of responsibility for the black slave trade and what happened for the next couple of hundred years, but the notion that the entire white race somehow attacked a bunch of completely innocent races (especially blacks) is BS racist propaganda that you’ve been brainwashed into believing. It’s skewed your entire worldview, creating at best a fun house mirror version of reality. Sending a few teams of European sailors with big nets inland to wonder around until they captured random black people they came across, like that completely fictional scene in Roots, is absurd. That wouldn’t be practical business. In real life there was a ready supply of slaves already gathered by locals when traders arrived at ports to do business. Even American Indians practiced slavery up and down the hemisphere long before Columbus arrived.

            After whites ended black (and Indian) slavery at home in the 1800s they used their power to work at ending it around the world over the next hundred years, including Africa, with the Muslim world being the most attached to slavery despite it having nowhere near the economic rationale there that it did in Brazil and the American South. Within Islam slavery was more of a deeply rooted cultural/status fixture.

            “You get the point of your pointless argument, dumbass? Calling someone who has done such things–repeatedly– almost exclusively against your culture “my enemy” doesn’t mean you hate them. There is a big difference in “hating” and being leery.”

            Blacks are 13% of the US population but have committed over 50% of all murders in the country over the last few decades, and have insanely disproportional rates for other violent crimes including rape. Eldridge Cleaver even admitted to using rape as political terror tactic during his Black Panther days. He said at first he practiced on a few local black women, and then moved on to raping white women on a regular basis.

            No one alive today was directly affected by legal US slavery. But millions of people have been victims of black criminals. By your own logic it would not only be appropriate to be “leery” of the entire black race, but to compare them with animals and contrast them with “people” as Ali did to whites to advocate racial separation. You even called it “survival instinct” and “common since” (sic).

            Regardless, certainly calling an entire race, any race, “my enemy” is inherently racist or the word “racist” truly has no meaning.

            “The KKK never educated White men, taught them to be self-sufficient, or protected and cleaned the White community.”

            Actually they were praised by many for doing just that. Like other organized criminal/terrorist groups, the KKK kept a lot of locals on their side by helping people in times of need or…say…roughing up white men who got drunk and beat their wives to teach them a lesson and set an example. In fact the Black Panthers were probably more of a pure criminal enterprise than the KKK was. The KKK had a more negative impact on history simply because it was bigger (though it’s tiny now). That doesn’t mean it’s morally justified to specifically praise or celebrate black nationalist groups like the Black Panthers that are qualitatively just as bad.

            “David Duke never rehabilitated himself from his hateful views.”

            I haven’t studied Duke as much as I have guys like Malcolm X, but to my knowledge he hasn’t celebrated random black deaths or called for black babies and women in particular to suffer like Malcolm did to whites. I certainly don’t think Duke has murdered or enslaved anyone, so by your standards he’s a hero.

            Regardless, you missed the point. Even if Duke had rehabilitated and completely rejected his “hateful views” (interesting choice of words since his are a more moderate version of your black nationalist heroes’ views, except he’s white instead of black), it would still be ignorant at best to defiantly ask, “And what is wrong with David Duke?” There would be a great deal wrong, even if he changed later in life. Everything doesn’t have to be wrong for some big things to be wrong.

            Neither you or Colin Kaepernick were celebrating guys like Malcolm X for the brief post-NOI phase at the end of his life though (which wouldn’t be enough to make him or David Duke a hero anyway). You specifically praised him for his rabidly bigoted 1963 speech. The evil in that address transcended mere racism. Calling for innocent babies and women to suffer is another level of wrong.

            “If a White individual in America said those things he would always be considered a racist. If, however, the respective American histories of Whites and Blacks were reversed, it would not be. Any intelligent individual can see that. ”

            Aside from the fallacious assumptions in your paragraph, we’ve established that you’re ignorant on history, little Joey. You’re certainly not an “intelligent individual”, and no intelligent person would deny that blacks can be racial bigots too.

            All the reversed quotes are vague enough to really be said in our society with our (actual) historical context. In fact I’m sure variations of all of them have been said, and are typically denounced as “racist”. Your original comments, the same things with the races reversed, are just as bigoted.

            “No, you were the one saying that FDR, JFK, and LBJ were worse than Jefferson, Nixon, Reagan, the Bushes and Trump. I merely asked for examples of how and why”

            I posted paragraphs educating you on political history that you failed to respond to. You’re cherry-picking one aside I mentioned about those Democrats being worse than Nixon, you’re adding several other presidents, and you’re trying to use this as a lame distraction from the discussion of your racial bigotry because you’re a coward.

            You mentioned wiretapping earlier as your chief complaint about Nixon.

            Joseph Wright: “Did he ever tap people’s phones (Richard Nixon)?”

            FDR, JFK, and LBJ were all even freer and more aggressive with wiretapping than Nixon was. Look at those recently released FBI files on MLK, for example. Nixon didn’t become president until after he had been assassinated, so you can’t blame him. He wasn’t the only one those Democrats spied on either. I could get into other scandals like extramarital affairs, arguably treasonous betrayals to Moscow, ballot stuffing (1960…talk about a rigged election), gross abuses of power, and destructive policies, but these would all be tangents and we have enough as it is.

            “Did he ever publicly call Whites “sons of bitches? (Trump)””

            Trump didn’t call blacks “sons of bitches”, you lying moron. He called spoiled millionaire players who disrespected the flag and anthem “sons of bitches”, and rightly so. Obama did make some dicey racial comments though (e.g. “typical white person”; “If I had a son he’d look like Trayvon”; “They get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren’t like them”; “I don’t know, not having been there and not seeing all the facts…but..the Cambridge police acted stupidly”) and called the racist Marxist Jeremiah Wright his “mentor”.

            “Did he ever grab a woman’s crotch without her consent (Trump AND Jefferson)?”

            Trump explicitly denied that and Jefferson has never even been accused of that, LOL. The Trump accusations came from a NY Times hit piece during the campaign. It was mostly known Democrat women leveling the charges, in multiple cases other women in the room at the time of the alleged events have disputed the accusers, and it just came out this week that Harvey Weinstein’s lawyer Lisa Bloom (of all people), backed by big Democrat money, was offering to pay huge sums for women to accuse Trump before the election.

            Bill Clinton has been credibly accused of FORCIBLE RAPE and other sexual assaults though, and all those accusers were Democrats, not Republican operatives.

            To my knowledge Trump has never served up his daughter to Harvey Weinstein like Obama did.

            Number of countries wrecked

            Obama – dozens, including the US

            Trump – none

            Number of countries saved

            Obama – none

            Trump – 2 so far, the US, Iraq, and possibly Syria and others going forward.

            Let North Korea become a nuclear power

            Obama – Yes (put Iran on an almost clear path too)

            Trump – No

            “All courtesy of the White racist propaganda that you read and watch (FOX News Channel)”

            Stuff like this which peppers your posts is too infantile and moronic to merit a response. You only hurt yourself with that crap.

            “So, I guess you are finally conceding that Thomas Jefferson WAS an evil man”

            Nope. Stop making stuff up.

            “(slave owner; rapist–that qualifies) as opposed to Malcolm X.”

            Simply being a slave owner in a world where slavery was the legal reality of the time (almost all of human history around the planet) doesn’t necessarily make someone an evil man, especially if you’re born into it (why I pointed out earlier that he inherited his slaves). Slavery ITSELF is evil, and Jefferson wrote about the evils of slavery himself. HE wanted slavery ENDED. The reason we even automatically see slavery as evil is BECAUSE of Jefferson and the libertarian egalitarian philosophy he espoused and embedded into the nation’s roots. That took basic Christian discomfort with slavery to a stronger, clearer level. Jefferson’s influential words resonated around the world when slavery was still legal (including in British possessions like Canada).

            And Sally Hemmings’ own family claim the alleged affair was a consensual romance, unlike Bill Clinton with Juanita Broadderick or the many victims of Black Panther ideological rape campaigns.

            Seriously, around 90% of the accused men in the recent sexual assault/harassment scandals have been liberals, from Harvey Weinstein to Al Franken to Russell Simmons, so it’s hilariously stupid of you to try to bring THAT up and make it a broad political issue.

            ““Michelle Obama (a deeply ignorant and unpleasant woman)”–Rasputin
            How?”

            I already told you. She’s deeply ignorant if she thinks there’s never been a reason to be proud of America other than her husband becoming president. That’s almost hopelessly self absorbed and stupid.

            Like an old school Disney villain she took the liberal nanny state to the next level by trying to micromanage school lunches across the country and literally taking away what little joy most kids get during the long, dreary school day.

            She’s a petty partisan moron who’s made countless dumb comments. Right after Trump was elected she said about the nation, ““We are feeling what not having hope feels like”, even as optimism was beginning to surge across the board in surveys and the stock market was shooting up to what would soon be record levels (it’s still going strong). She apparently felt that only her husband could provide “hope”, and doesn’t seem aware that at least half the country exists outside of her cloistered Democrat bubble.

            She also stupidly said “Any woman who voted against Hillary Clinton voted against their own voice,” as if women shouldn’t vote on policy or issues, but automatically vote for the female candidate (unless it’s Sarah Palin or any other Republican woman of course; can you say shallow “hypocrite”?).

            Laura Bush has class. Melania has class. Neither Michelle or (obviously) Hillary Clinton do.

            Also…have you ever seen that semi-permanent scowl on her face? Unpleasant.

            “The rout of Joseph Wright vs. Rasputin continues…”

            LOL! I agree, you certainly are being routed, moron. The score is roughly 1,000 to 0 right now.

          • Joseph Wright
            December 18, 2017

            “The first comment about the White woman/Black man scenario only works if I’m a White guy making your inversed statement.”

            “That was the point, moron. If a white guy said something like that you’d cry “racist” wouldn’t you? Yes or no? Be honest.”–Rasputin

            It wouldn’t be racist. Although White guys have much more of a hangup with Black guys romancing and having sex with White women than Black men have a problem with White men having romance and relations with Black women. We don’t have the mental block. As Bryant Gumbel discussed when discussing why Ali was so admired by Blacks while being despised by many Whites: “The fact that (Ali) was good-looking made him increasingly special. It’s obvious that one of the great attractions to Ali was that he was extremely good-looking. And you’d have to be an idiot to believe that many of the racial problems in this country are not rooted deep down psychologically in the White man’s fear that Black men are sexually superior to them.” I found it interesting that you gravitated to Joe Louis but when I suggested that maybe you should also gravitate to Jack Johnson, you immediately twisted everything and responded that I was bringing up someone ancient and called it a diversionary tactic (By today’s standards, Louis and Johnson are ancient…So, you can bring up fossils but I can’t. Razzie’s White supremacy rears its ugly, racist head again). Johnson was heavyweight champ and he had White wives–in the early 1900s! You had a severe problem with THAT. Because you never wanted to discuss him again. You White racist coward.

            “Ever heard of Robert Mugabe? Like your Black Panther heroes he combines communism with black nationalism, and has systematically persecuted and ethnically cleansed whites from Zimbabwe in recent years.”

            Good for him. The Whites who came over from Europe before the 20th century took over the land from the Black natives and ultimately made them “tenants.” Whites love to take over and steal other people’s lands, don’t they. And you’re vilifying a man for getting them out? Those Whites had no business stealing Zimbabwe no more than the French did stealing Vietnam. Whites have practiced slavery in America, Brazil, Cuba, the Dominican Republic, Haiti, Jamaica, the Bahamas, Puerto Rico, and the UK with Blacks (kidnapped Africans) as the prime source of cheap or free labor. You have given those Whites a pass every single time (Thomas Jefferson) or you try to childishly say “Blacks were doing it, too.” Stay focused and deal with the evils of your own people.

            “It is supposed to me ironic.”–Rasputin

            It is supposed to be an ironic title but you took it serious and personal and started this over-the-top diaper-wetting “you’re a racist” crap. All the while saying you’re not offended. Liar.

            “Blacks are 13% of the US population but have committed over 50% of all murders in the country over the last few decades.”–Rasputin

            Only those that have been documented. Whites have had a great portion of THEIR murderous acts not documented. Speaking of killings/murders undocumented and/or wiped from the books…

            Laura Bush. Ran a stop sign and killed a schoolmate. Never charged. Classy lady?

            “Simply being a slave owner in a world where slavery was the legal reality of the time (almost all of human history around the planet) doesn’t necessarily make someone an evil man, especially if you’re born into it (why I pointed out earlier that he inherited his slaves).”–The words of a bonafide racist, bigot and redneck.

            If he weren’t an evil man he would have freed them and not raped the women he “inherited.”

            Cookie Gilchrist said the same thing about George Washington. Without the raping part. A guess he wasn’t as evil as Jefferson.

            The communist and Muslim bashing that you constantly bring up is a White racist, propaganda scare tactic based on lies, in hopes of playing on less sophisticated people’s fears. Malcolm X, Muhammad Ali, Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, and Ahmad Rashad embraced the Islamic religion. Big Deal. Live and let live. Paul Robeson, Cookie Gilchrist, and W. E. B. Du Bois embraced communist ideals. Who cares? BTW, were you one of these fanatic lunatics going around saying Barack Obama was a communistic, Muslim terrorist?

          • Rasputin
            December 19, 2017

            First we need to talk about what happened Sunday, LOL. By your logic that was an ass kicking of epic proportions. You’ve called 3 or 4 point games “ass kickings” before. Heck, you even referred to the Civil War that way when the North lost more men despite having overwhelming numerical and logistical superiority. The Cowboys’ crushing victory over the Raiders was even more of an ass kicking because Dallas led most of the game and never trailed.

            Giving the racial bigotry you’ve exhibited it was especially fitting that a white safety of all people made multiple plays at the end to win the game. That must have been excruciating for you! Watching the racial bigot Marshawn Lynch throw a hissy fit made it even sweeter. Not only did Dallas just end your season, but that was probably the last time the Cowboys will ever play the Oakland Raiders. Next time they play it will be against the Las Vegas Raiders. The Cowboys won the last ever meeting, and they beat you down in your own town to boot. It’s like when Texas said “Goodbye to A&M” in the final game of their long series with a walk off field goal win at Kyle Field. Awesome.

            Rasputin: “Ever heard of Robert Mugabe? Like your Black Panther heroes he combines communism with black nationalism, and has systematically persecuted and ethnically cleansed whites from Zimbabwe in recent years.”

            Joseph Wright: “Good for him.”

            Oh, here we go. You support ETHNIC CLEANSING of whites. A new masterpiece exhibit for the Joseph Wright Hall of Shame. “Good for” MUGABE?!? The self described black “Hitler” hasn’t exactly been good for the black population either, which is why he was just driven from power. But as long as he murdered some whites before he left he’s A OK in Joseph Wright’s book.

            “The Whites who came over from Europe before the 20th century took over the land from the Black natives and ultimately made them “tenants.”….And you’re vilifying a man for getting them out?”

            You realize these are different, innocent people whose murder and abuse you just endorsed, and that whites have lived there for generations, don’t you?

            “Whites love to take over and steal other people’s lands, don’t they.”

            Another sweeping, prejudiced racial comment. You’re not even trying to hide your racial bigotry anymore. Hint – criticize specific wrongdoers, don’t ignorantly bash entire races. Besides, have you seen the robbery stats broken down by race? US blacks steal way more than any other group, but that just means there are currently various factors resulting in higher crime rates among blacks. It doesn’t mean “Blacks love to steal”.

            I’ll add that if white people are so mean and awful, it’s strange that so many non-whites from every corner of the world are so desperate to go live in predominately white countries, and not the other way around. People vote most honestly with their feet. Maybe most white people are doing a lot of things well, rather than “steal(ing) other people’s lands”.

            Rasputin: “For effect let’s try an experiment reversing the colors in some of your comments, little Joey: “BTW, whenever I see a White woman with a Black guy, I say, “Oh well. Her loss.”….I dare you to tell me you wouldn’t instantly cry “racism!” if anyone said any of the above. Be honest for once. Heck, I’d agree with you. The difference is I’m consistent. You’re not.”

            Joseph Wright: “It wouldn’t be racist.”

            Setting aside the fact that you’re lying (you’ve cried “racism” against me and other innocent people countless times despite me never posting anything remotely racist), if you were telling the truth then you’d now need to define “racist” or just stop using the word because it lacks any meaning. Of course there is no coherent definition of “racist” that wouldn’t apply to your above statements attacking whites and cheer leading their ethnic cleansing by dictator Mugabe.

            “Although White guys have much more of a hangup with Black guys romancing and having sex with White women than Black men have a problem with White men having romance and relations with Black women. We don’t have the mental block.”

            Actually it’s the other way around. Even in this conversation you’re the only one to express opposition to interracial marriage. I couldn’t care less.

            “As Bryant Gumbel discussed when discussing why Ali was so admired by Blacks while being despised by many Whites: “The fact that (Ali) was good-looking made him increasingly special. It’s obvious that one of the great attractions to Ali was that he was extremely good-looking. And you’d have to be an idiot to believe that many of the racial problems in this country are not rooted deep down psychologically in the White man’s fear that Black men are sexually superior to them.”

            LOL! We’ve been quoting ALI OPPOSING INTERRACIAL MARRIAGE, you idiot, at least during his controversial NOI phase (which is what Gumbel had in mind). Do you ever quote anyone who’s NOT a bigot and/or moron as some type of authority? Bryant Gumbel is both, he’s full of crap on this and pretty much every topic, and his whiny little voice reinforces the near certain possibility that he’s projecting his own fears of sexual inadequacy.

            As are you, given your obsession. So it turns out that you’re not just a racial bigot, Joseph Wright, but someone who lacks confidence below the belt. Frankly that’s too much information.

            “I found it interesting that you gravitated to Joe Louis but when I suggested that maybe you should also gravitate to Jack Johnson, you immediately twisted everything and responded that I was bringing up someone ancient and called it a diversionary tactic (By today’s standards, Louis and Johnson are ancient…So, you can bring up fossils but I can’t. Razzie’s White supremacy rears its ugly, racist head again).”

            Huh? Aside from the fact that Louis was better than (still the longest reigning HW champion) and decades more recent than Jack Johnson, I brought him up to contrast his patriotism with Ali’s anti-Americanism, moron. You haven’t even explained what point one would bring Johnson up to make. Damn, you’re stupid. And apparently deranged.

            “Johnson was heavyweight champ and he had White wives–in the early 1900s! You had a severe problem with THAT.”

            No, I couldn’t care less. I didn’t bring up Gene Tunney, Jack Dempsey, or Michael Spinx either. I didn’t even mention Ken Norton. I’ve also been a big Darren Woodson booster here, and his wife is….wait for it…..white (“Gasp!”). You should be riding the short bus to school, little Joey, not teaching class. You lack the proper equipment.

            “Stay focused and deal with the evils of your own people.”

            My “people” are human beings, bigot, and I deal with their evils across the board.

            You should stay focused on your own, glaring personal evils instead of trying to distract and run away, coward.

            “It is supposed to be an ironic title but you took it serious and personal and started this over-the-top diaper-wetting “you’re a racist” crap. All the while saying you’re not offended.”

            No, moron. As I just said again and you ignored like the coward you are, it’s your PARAGRAPHS of bigoted commentary that I commented on. Even that doesn’t “offend” me. I just note your bigotry and feel a little sorry for you.

            ““Blacks are 13% of the US population but have committed over 50% of all murders in the country over the last few decades.”–Rasputin

            Only those that have been documented. Whites have had a great portion of THEIR murderous acts not documented.”

            Wrong. How do you explain the victim stats matching up so well with the perp stats? You can’t, of course. The fact is that blacks are victimized at the highest rates too. Is your theory that legions of whites are sneaking into predominately black neighborhoods, killing black people, successfully sneaking away, and that mostly black witnesses are blaming innocent black people for the crimes? Or are you suggesting that most murders of white victims are covered up, because white people care more about cooking stat books than getting justice when white people are murdered?

            Do you ever grow tired of embarrassing yourself?

            “Laura Bush. Ran a stop sign and killed a schoolmate. Never charged. Classy lady?”

            A tragic accident when she was kid. Those things happen. Yes, she showed great strength in overcoming that and turning into the classy lady she is today.

            “If he weren’t an evil man he would have freed them and not raped the women he “inherited.””

            You made up the “rape” part, and it’s easy to say but I doubt you’d free your slaves if you were born into that role. Jefferson, who wrote in favor of abolishing slavery, also wrote that he thought it needed to happen the right way. He feared that sudden freedom would leave blacks ill prepared to handle it and possibly in an even worse state. In fact when abolition finally did happen there were predictably enormous sociological problems among largely uneducated free blacks, and many chose to stay on as hire hands on the same plantations they had been slaves at.

            “Cookie Gilchrist said the same thing about George Washington. Without the raping part. A guess he wasn’t as evil as Jefferson.”

            Washington did eventually free his slaves, though that was pretty rare.

            “The communist and Muslim bashing that you constantly bring up is a White racist, propaganda scare tactic based on lies, in hopes of playing on less sophisticated people’s fears.”

            I’ve done no “Muslim bashing” you cowardly liar, and communists didn’t just murder 100 million people. They imposed poverty and oppression on billions, and continue to do so from Cuba to North Korea to Zimbabwe and to a lesser degree in China and Venezuela.

            Communism should be at least as taboo as Nazism.

            “Live and let live. Paul Robeson, Cookie Gilchrist, and W. E. B. Du Bois embraced communist ideals. Who cares?”

            Replace “communist” with “Nazi ideals” and tell me “live and let live”, moron. That’s the problem with both those totalitarian ideologies. They DON’T live and let live. As a libertarian I’M the one who says live and let live.

            So Joseph Wright is both a racial bigot and a communist sympathizer.

            “BTW, were you one of these fanatic lunatics going around saying Barack Obama was a communistic, Muslim terrorist?”

            No. Obama has Marxist leanings but I’ve seen little evidence he’s a Muslim (or a Christian, despite halfheartedly going through some motions for political reasons). His feckless policies did give a huge boost to Islamist terrorism though. He also exhibited some bigoted and anti-American sentiments, likely absorbed in part from his nutjob mentor preacher Jeremiah Wright.

            I’m arguing with someone who endorsed and praised Robert Mugabe’s ethnic cleansing programs, LOL! After months of getting your ass kicked by me, getting your ass kicked by the Cowboys to boot this past weekend put you on tilt.

          • Joseph Wright
            December 21, 2017

            I have never called a 3-point game–especially won within the last two minutes an ass-kicking. If you’re referring to the Raiders ass-kicking of the Cowboys in ’74 or the Steelers ass-kicking of the Cowboys all throughout the 70s, the key is all those Cowboys thrashings were all won by point spreads of 4 or greater and the victorious Raiders and Steelers had leads of well over 10 points in those games only to allow garbage-time TDs by Dallas to make the score look “respectable.” Wanna pull that ’72 win over the Steelers out of your ass? Swann, Stallworth, and Cliff Harris body-slammer Jack Lambert were still in college. Staubach NEVER beat the Steelers OR the Raiders. Maybe Landry should have stuck with Craig Morton. Why go with Staubach, anyway? Morton took them to the Super Bowl and may have won it had (the real Super Bowl V MVP) Mike Curtis not intercepted that 4th quarter pass.

            Although the Raiders 40-38 victory over Dallas in ’83 wasn’t an ass-whipping it was still an embarrassment for the Cowboys. They were at home, on national TV, and got toasted for 40 points by a team quarterbacked by…MARC WILSON! Disgraceful.

            The difference is that this year’s Cowboys are led by Dak Prescott. The Raiders are QBed by Derek Carr, a Tony Romo clone. Coming from me, that is not a compliment. I’ve never said a three-point win is an ass-whipping. Then again, reading comprehension has never been one of your strengths. This year’s Raiders squad is underachieving, just like the ’74 Cowboys.

            Marshawn a “racial bigot?” Hardly. And Dallas did not make the first down. Anti-Dallas bias? Hardly. Double-folded piece of paper. Smh.

          • Rasputin
            December 22, 2017

            When we began this exchange I knew I would draw out and expose your racial bigotry, Joseph Wright, but even I didn’t expect you to praise Zimbabwe dictator Robert Mugabe for his mass murder and ethnic cleansing of whites. Wow. That alone says all anyone needs to know about you and your credibility on the topic of race. I wonder what Cookie Gilchrist would say about that, or post-Nation of Islam Muhammad Ali after he had rejected his earlier bigoted views (which you still adhere to and then some). I don’t even know if Colin Kaepernick has endorsed Mugabe. He’s praised communist dictators and convicted cop killers, but the self described black “Hitler” might be a bridge too far. Apparently your only problem with the original Hitler is that he was the wrong color.

            As for the rest of this stupid garbage you just posted….you’re saying a 4 point win is an “ass kicking” but you draw the line at 3 points, LOL? The 1974 Dallas/Oakland game (also played at Oakland) was the finale of Dallas’ worst season of the decade (8-6, only non playoff year) and one of Oakland’s best (12-2), but the Cowboys led 9-3 after the first quarter and out gained the Raiders in total yards 400 to 267.

            By contrast last weekend’s game (also at Oakland, for the final time) the Cowboys led most of the game, never trailed, and out gained the Raiders 330 to 293 despite committing more turnovers. The records were only one game different coming in and both teams were in the playoff hunt. Dallas won despite missing Zeke, its best player. Clearly the better team won.

            Heck, the 6 point 1980 Cowboys win (also at Oakland) over the eventual Super Bowl Raiders was more of an ass kicking than the 1974 game anyway. I wouldn’t call any of those games real “ass kickings”, but by your childish logic the Cowboys just kicked the Raiders’ asses. Again. Dallas has now beaten Oakland 3 games in a row. Tony Romo went 2-0 against the Raiders as a starter.

            “The Raiders are QBed by Derek Carr, a Tony Romo clone”

            Wrong again, moron.

            After 4 Years Starting

            Tony Romo – 95.6 rating, 38-17 record, 63.4% completion, 268.8 y/g, 3 Pro Bowls

            Derick Carr – 88 rating, 28-32 record, 61.4% completion, 238.5 y/g, 2 Pro Bowls

            Romo’s stats are way better despite him playing roughly a decade earlier. Since your math sucks as bad as your reading comprehension I’ll highlight this for you:

            Winning Percentage After 4 Years

            Tony Romo – 69.1%
            Derek Carr – 46.7%

            “Marshawn a “racial bigot?” Hardly.”

            I haven’t seen him endorse Robert Mugabe and white genocide, so he may not be as bad as you, but if you throw up racial power salutes you’re a bigot.

            “And Dallas did not make the first down… Double-folded piece of paper”

            They did make the first down. First, Dak was shorted on the spot. But even still the point was sticking past the stick. The ref said he visually determined it was a first down and only used the paper to help reaffirm what he saw. It did, despite the guy holding the flag leaning it away from the Cowboys instead of straight up like he should have.

            “Maybe Landry should have stuck with Craig Morton. Why go with Staubach, anyway? Morton took them to the Super Bowl…”

            Super Bowl 12, the HoF, and legions of “greatest players ever” lists all called to tell you that you know nothing about football.

            PS – You still don’t know what a “body slam” is any more than you know what an “ass kicking” is. You’re a moron, a coward, a liar, and a racial bigot, little Joey. A real ass kicking is what I’ve done to you here.

          • Joseph Wright
            December 22, 2017

            Please. Mugabe is simply taking back the country that was stolen from Black Africans by Whites. Had the Whites simply come over to Africa to simply find another place to live, fine. However, following world history, those early Whites came to steal the land and then had the nerve to make the Blacks TENANTS! All Mugabe was doing is putting out the trash. Someone comes into your house, takes it over, makes you a tenant, then you come back and get rid of them–and YOU’RE wrong? Not surprising analysis coming from a bonafide redneck who constantly justifies slavery.

            All the false “information” about how Blacks were slaves in Africa and how the Whites were no worse than the Black slave owners in Africa needs serious clarification.

            1) Blacks who were incarcerated for inland crimes (Yes, bigot, Africa had a legal system) were sold to the Whites under the agreement that once they served out their remaining years of sentence they would be freed. Of course, the Whites lied and kept the Blacks slaves in their new world outside of Africa for the rest of there lives.

            2) Blacks who were servants were servants or slaves to pay off a debt. Once the debt was paid, they were freed.

            3) The majority of Blacks (like Kunta Kinte) were free people who were kidnapped and brought to the U.S.

            The servitude or incarceration–not “slavery,” as you term it–practiced in Africa was completely different than the slavery practiced by Whites in America. Read some REAL books instead of wikipedia, conservative White racist trash, and watching FOX News Channel for your information. Information that aims to make Whites justify slavery (Rasputin: “See it wasn’t that bad.”)

            As for the Southern Whites who cheered President Kennedy’s assassination, your racist denial of the truth is horrible. Here are some more people who were there

            Chew on these:

            “Looking back, I can see why the Whites were so happy that day (Nov. 22, 1963). (President) Kennedy’s death meant more than just getting rid of an annoying Yankee who didn’t share their political views. Kennedy represented the Civil Rights movement, and that movement scared the hell out of White people in the South. It threatened their economy and their way of life.

            “They fought every inch of the integration process, out of racial hatred and fear. They knew every gain Blacks made would be at their expense.

            “From working for the Southern White people at the golf country club, I knew how much they despised Kennedy and that alone was enough to make him my hero.”–Spencer Haywood

            “When I arrived home the day of (President) Kennedy’s assassination, I pulled out the letter he had sent after Medgar (Evers’) death and found myself reading and rereading the poignant handwritten postscript: ‘Mrs. Kennedy joins me in tendering her deepest sympathy.’ Now I had to send a note to her.

            “I watched television constantly during the next days, and while I wept, many Whites in the South rejoiced. The ‘n—–lover’ was dead. Shouts of jubilation rang in the schools, echoing in the hallways and out into the yards. The principal of the local high school announced over the PA system that everyone could go home, as if a holiday had been declared. Radio stations played Dixie, the anthem of the Confederacy. Seeing White people pouring into the streets, cheering and glorifying Kennedy’s murder, only made the horror more painful. What a cruel irony that neither he nor Medgar lived to see the passage of the Civil Rights Bill in 1964.”–Myrlie Evers

            “I was flabbergasted at the nadir of moral decency from the majority of Whites in the South after the news of the President (Kennedy)’s assassination was brought forth. In my own Nashville, White men and women were waving Confederate flags, singing Dixie and dancing. DANCING!

            “It was one of the most disgusting displays of cruelty and lack of compassion I have ever seen. All fueled by racism”–Julian Bond

            “When John F. Kennedy was murdered, my oldest children, Yolanda and Martin III, were surprised. Yoki was actually crying and said, ‘Why Momma, why?’…What was most disturbing to me was the reactions of most of the Whites I saw. There was an uneasy feeling watching them expressing sheer, complete joy that our President had been assassinated.”–Coretta Scott King

          • Rasputin
            December 23, 2017

            “Please. Mugabe is simply taking back the country that was stolen from Black Africans by Whites…..All Mugabe was doing is putting out the trash.”

            You praising the mass murder and persecution of innocent people because of their skin color needs no response, but I’ll preserve and highlight the growing mountain of comments showcasing your racial bigotry, Joseph Wright. Since you’ve established yourself as a Hitlerian level bigot of course it completely discredits all of your accusations of “racism” against me, Zimmerman, the writers here, and the others you’ve falsely accused.

            In an act of charity I’ll try to educate you by explaining that one of your central problems is that you judge people as members of racial groups instead of individuals. In your mind whites are whites, and it doesn’t matter that the people being murdered by your hero Mugabe were innocent individuals who were born in Zimbabwe and did nothing wrong. Because of alleged historical actions by some of their ancestors you feel THEY deserve to die today. You don’t view them as “Terry” or “Sophia” (actual names of two of the victims) but as “White people”. In fact you called them “trash”.

            “The majority of Blacks (like Kunta Kinte) were free people who were kidnapped and brought to the U.S. The servitude or incarceration–not “slavery,” as you term it–practiced in Africa was completely different than the slavery practiced by Whites in America.”

            “Kunta Kinte” didn’t exist. Alex Haley ripped off that story from a fictional novel by Harold Courlander. Courlander sued him for plagiarism and, after initially denying he had read the book before writing Roots, given the weight of word for word evidence produced Haley eventually backtracked and admitted otherwise, settling the lawsuit for a large sum of money.

            Your comments about historical black on black slavery in Africa are garbage spin. It sounds like YOU’RE trying to justify slavery, something I’ve never done contrary to your lie otherwise. Though at least you finally acknowledged the existence of African slavery, and clearly did enough research in recent days to skim a few biased blogs. The truth is there were all types of slaves in Africa over the centuries (including people captured from rival tribes, as in other parts of the world). I’m glad the Christian West ended slavery at home and around the globe, though pockets in the Muslim world were stubbornly clinging to it for a long time and brutal sex slavery rings (including of children) still thrive in parts of Africa and Asia today.

            Since you keep singling out “America”, just for historical perspective (not to defend slavery) I’ll point out that most blacks shipped in the Transatlantic slave trade were sent to Brazil or the West Indies. The relative US slave population grew to parity with the Latin American population not because more were shipped to the US, but because slaves had a much lower mortality rate in the US.

            BTW, I meant to respond to this earlier:

            “If he (Thomas Jefferson) weren’t an evil man he would have freed them and not raped the women he “inherited.””

            Muhammad (the Muhammad) took slaves and had sex with some of them. Do you consider him to be an evil man?

            “As for the Southern Whites who cheered President Kennedy’s assassination, your racist denial of the truth is horrible. Here are some more people who were there”

            You didn’t produce a single example of any alleged cheering, moron. Just a few vague, second hand assertions by activists that are dubious given the absence of corroborating evidence and plenty of public evidence to the contrary. Julian Bond in particular is a professional liar and race hustler.

            So far the only example produced here of anyone celebrating JFK’s death at the hands of communist Lee Harvey Oswald was my quote of your hero Malcolm X doing so, and he wasn’t a “Southern White” but a northern black Muslim and Nation of Islam member.

            Of course none of that matters much because I’m arguing with someone who’s praising Mugabe for the murder and ethnic cleansing of innocent white people, or “trash” as you call the victims.

          • Joseph Wright
            December 23, 2017

            “Since you’ve established yourself as a Hitlerian level bigot of course it completely discredits all of your accusations of ‘racism’ against me, Zimmerman, the writers here, and the others you’ve falsely accused.”

            So, you have compared Malcolm X, Muhammad Ali, and now me to Hitler. What an ignorant, racist liar you are. Why would any one of us side with a White supremacist (Hitler) like you? Mugabe has compared himself to Hitler AND Jesus Christ. So he’s delusional. But wanting to take back the country that belonged to Black people from people who are the descendants and beneficiaries of that massive land theft is sane and reasonable, even for him. Obviously, he isn’t living in total darkness. Descendants of thieves and pillagers (the Whites in Zimbabwe) still benefiting from the crimes of their ancestors are hardly “innocent.” All the while, you are still in White racist denial by calling the White racist takeover of Zimbabwe “alleged historical actions.” I was referring to the takeover as “trash,” numbskull. Not the casualties.

            ” ‘Kunta Kinte’ didn’t exist. Alex Haley ripped off that story from a fictional novel by Harold Courlander. Courlander sued him for plagiarism and, after initially denying he had read the book before writing Roots, given the weight of word for word evidence produced Haley eventually backtracked and admitted otherwise, settling the lawsuit for a large sum of money.”

            I was waiting for THIS one. First off, if Kinte didn’t exist, then how were Alex Haley and his mother’s side of the family even initiated in America? Haley’s family passed down this family history through two centuries. Haley was telling these stories to Malcolm X and acting performers Ossie Davis and Ruby Dee prior to X’s assassination. Why do I mention that? Because Harold Courlander’s book, The African, which Haley was accused of plagiarizing, was published in 1967. Malcolm X was assassinated in 1965! I have read both books (I doubt you will do the same; we’ve established you don’t do much book reading. And Alex Haley being a BLACK writer–FORGET IT). Because Haley wanted to stretch out his family story to make it a novel, perhaps he did take from Courlander’s slaveship narratives, the plantation descriptions, and sickness/illness home remedy practices of the times. I found those common passages. However, Haley never took the descriptions verbatim. Courlander (and any other slavery novelist. for that matter) could bring forth accusations of plagiarism on any slavery novel. But Kunta Kinte DID exist. The griots that Haley listened to confirmed that.

            My take is simply that Courlander was mad that Haley got the TV Mini-Series, the riches and publicity and he didn’t. Pettiness by White people. How shocking. When writing a true novel about slavery, there are only so many ways the “wheel” can be invented. However, Gone with the Wind is SAFE. That novel portrayed the slaves as HAPPY. SMH.

            “it sounds like YOU’RE trying to justify slavery, something I’ve never done contrary to your lie otherwise. Though at least you finally acknowledged the existence of African slavery…”

            I justify servitude for debts and incarceration for criminal behavior, which was what Blacks were doing in Africa during the time Whites were feasting upon the Black citizens to be slaves. You have shamelessly justified slavery all throughout this site. “It was legal back then,” “(Thomas Jefferson) didn’t buy them, he inherited them,” “it would have been a disadvantage to them (Blacks) if they had freed them right away…It had to be done at the right time.” And there is a lot more ignorance from you. Like this: “Since you keep singling out “America”, just for historical perspective (not to defend slavery) I’ll point out that most blacks shipped in the Transatlantic slave trade were sent to Brazil or the West Indies. The relative US slave population grew to parity with the Latin American population not because more were shipped to the US, but because slaves had a much lower mortality rate in the US.” ANOTHER justification on slavery.

            This next one was hilarious:

            Razzie: “BTW, I meant to respond to this earlier:” (Yeah, right. It’s only been a few months)

            “If he (Thomas Jefferson) weren’t an evil man he would have freed them and not raped the women he “inherited.”–Joseph Wright

            ‘Muhammad (the Muhammad) took slaves and had sex with some of them. Do you consider him to be an evil man?'”–Rasputin

            I can’t comment on that. I’m not a Muslim. But, obviously, you brought that up to try to shift the focus off Jefferson, who “took slaves and had sex with some of them.” Thanks for the unexpected assist, dumbass. LOL!!! LMAO!!!! ROFLMFAO!!!

            Oh, that was great. So, the denial of White racism continues, huh, redneck. Spencer Haywood–born and raised in Mississippi, Myrlie Evers (you know, Medgar Ever’s wife, who experienced him being assassinated by Southern White rednecks like yourself)–born and raised in Mississippi, Coretta Scott King–born in Alabama and living in Georgia at time of JFK murder, Julian Bond–born in Nashville, TN. All these credible people are “Just a few vague, second hand assertions by activists that are dubious given the absence of corroborating evidence and plenty of public evidence to the contrary.” These people were there and saw it but you say they are liars. Simply because they are Black and obliterate your redneck lies to protect the evil Southern White jubilants. You even brand the widows (Mrs. King and Mrs. Evers) as liars. The redneck troll known as Rasputin–nice guy. Next thing you know, readers, Rasputin tell you that Mrs. King and Mrs. Evers faked their husbands’ assassinations. SMH.

            Cookie Gilchrist would be so proud of you.

          • Joseph Wright
            December 23, 2017

            “You didn’t produce a single example of any alleged cheering, moron.”

            So what would you tell the surviving people, Mrs. Evers and Haywood? “You guys were seeing things,” “You people misunderstood what they were saying,” “That was a White assassination ‘Sympathy Dance'” “We always play Dixie to honor the dead.” What a moron Razzie is. Amazing. Regarding the recollections of Mrs. King, Julian Bond, Mrs. Evers, and Haywood, you are saying this: “Only Whites are credible. Blacks are only credible if they go along with the White storyline that FAVORS Whites–even if they have to lie to protect the Whites.” Which sets up an interesting transition…

            Remember that dumb question you wanted me to ask the writers about Paul Zimmerman being a racist? As if one of them would have confirmed Z’s racism? How about Carolina’s owner Jerry Richardson? Sexual harassment charges AND referred to Cam Newton as a “n—-r”? Do you think if I had asked all the NFL owners if he was a racist or sexual harasser (like Thomas Jefferson–another of your White racist heroes) prior to those revelations even one would have confirmed that? Of course not! They would jeopardize their standing within the clique of NFL owners. Just like Hall of Fame writers jeopardize their spot if they make critical character observations about those in their clique.

            As far as your obsession with interracial marriage is concerned. “LOL! We’ve been quoting ALI OPPOSING INTERRACIAL MARRIAGE, you idiot, at least during his controversial NOI phase (which is what Gumbel had in mind). Do you ever quote anyone who’s NOT a bigot and/or moron as some type of authority? Bryant Gumbel is both, he’s full of crap on this and pretty much every topic, and his whiny little voice reinforces the near certain possibility that he’s projecting his own fears of sexual inadequacy.

            As are you, given your obsession. So it turns out that you’re not just a racial bigot, Joseph Wright, but someone who lacks confidence below the belt. Frankly that’s too much information. ”

            Gumbel a bigot? His wife is White, dumbass. As for “… his whiny little voice reinforces the near certain possibility that he’s projecting his own fears of sexual inadequacy.” He’s had a Black wife and a White one. I don’t believe he has a fear. But you and many White men do have fear when you see (or even THINK about) a Black man with a White woman. Need some examples?

            Try these:

            1) After Jack Johnson’s reign (of terror, to White men I guess) as Heavyweight Champion–in which he had TWO White wives, the title was barred from Blacks for 22 years. When Joe Louis is allowed to fight for the title, he is ordered to NEVER take a photo or pose with a White woman without a White man in the photo

            2) In 1990, Raiders player Willie Gualt is photo’d topless with actress Jamie Lee Curtis (wearing only Gualt’s jersey) Draped across his shoulders. Gault receives slur-filled hatemail; Curtis received deaththreats, one calling her a “n—–lover.”

            3) in 1993, Julia Roberts is cast in “The Pelican Brief,” a movie based on the best-selling novel. She is asked who she would like to be cast with. She says Denzel Washington. All love scenes between the novel’s college student (played by Roberts) and the investigative journalist (played by Washington) are written out of the original script.

            4) Remember that dust-up ABC received for having Terrell Owens in a lockeroom shower scene with Nicholette Sheridan in 2004 to promote Monday Night Football?

            Whenever, you see a Black/White romance portrayed on TV, in the movies, or even in magazines, the Black counterpart is usually a woman. White men have a greater hangup with it when the situation is inversed. As Jim Brown once said, “That’s death to a White man.”

          • Rasputin
            December 23, 2017

            Rasputin: ‘”Muhammad (the Muhammad) took slaves and had sex with some of them. Do you consider him to be an evil man?”

            Joseph Wright: “I can’t comment on that. I’m not a Muslim.”

            LOL! That doesn’t logically follow, you cowardly hypocrite. You don’t have to be a Muslim to comment on Muhammad any more than you need to be a Virginian to comment on Thomas Jefferson. You’re the one who claimed anyone who owned slaves in history was automatically an evil man, in the same post where you falsely cried about me supposedly “Muslim bashing” to boot.

            Man up and answer the question. Muhammad owned slaves. Was he evil?

            “So, you have compared Malcolm X, Muhammad Ali, and now me to Hitler.”

            No, liar. I said you’re a Hitlerian level bigot because you just endorsed racial genocide in Zimbabwe, praising the dictator who described HIMSELF as a “Hitler” for black people. Now that you mention it you can also apply that label to your hero Malcolm X for celebrating the mass deaths of innocent white people in plane crashes and calling for many more people to be killed and for the “suffering” of white “babies” and “women”. While Ali was bigoted in his NOI phase, I don’t know that he said anything rising to that level of evil.

            Note, moron, I’m not saying you’re a Hitlerian level mass murderer, so save your dumb straw man arguments. You lack the ambition and competence to pull something like that off. You do share Hitlerian sentiments though, just directed at white people. You’re happy to cheerlead a black Hitler from the sidelines.

            “Mugabe has compared himself to Hitler AND Jesus Christ. So he’s delusional.”

            So are you. That’s your hero, you bigoted moron.

            “But wanting to take back the country that belonged to Black people from people who are the descendants and beneficiaries of that massive land theft is sane and reasonable, even for him. Obviously, he isn’t living in total darkness. Descendants of thieves and pillagers (the Whites in Zimbabwe) still benefiting from the crimes of their ancestors are hardly “innocent.”

            If people are born bearing the guilt of their ancestors then nobody is “innocent”, moron, and anyone is fair game to kill and rob (more on that later). These are just regular, hard working farmers who have lived there their whole lives.

            Even if one did support something as reprehensible as seizing their land through government action, that’s no excuse for MURDERING them, you ignorant, racially bigoted, evil POS. Your deranged arguments sound a lot like Hitler’s against the Jews.

            “I was referring to the takeover as “trash,” numbskull. Not the casualties.”

            Oh it’s clear you were referring to the victims you want killed, Joseph Wright. “Putting out the trash”. Dehumanizing them makes it easier to support killing them. Mugabe himself used very similar language, for example calling one widely condemned project to forcibly expel people (especially political dissenters) from urban slums
            Operation Murambatsvina (“Move the Rubbish”).

            “Because Haley wanted to stretch out his family story to make it a novel, perhaps he did take from Courlander’s slaveship narratives, the plantation descriptions, and sickness/illness home remedy practices of the times.”

            There’s no evidence Kunta Kinte existed except the stories Haley CLAIMED had been passed down. Not only is there no independent confirmation even if that oral tradition was real, but Haley was proved to be a liar in the course of the successful plagiarism suit.

            In an interview the presiding judge later said: “Alex Haley perpetrated a hoax on the public.”

            Certainly the initial slave capture scene was completely fictional garbage, as that’s not the way it happened.

            “I justify servitude for debts and incarceration for criminal behavior, which was what Blacks were doing in Africa during the time Whites were feasting upon the Black citizens to be slaves.”

            Wrong, slavery denier. As I said, black Africans kept all kinds of slaves,
            including chattel slaves and even human sacrifice victims. Black Africans even owned plantations worked by slave labor. Many in West Africa were captured by tribal war parties specifically for the purpose of making money by selling them (and not just to the West; they were selling them to other black groups and North African Muslims long before Europeans got involved).

            Scholars estimate that 90% of slaves shipped across the Atlantic were enslaved by fellow Africans. Here’s an excerpt from an article by Obama’s buddy, black liberal history professor Henry Louis Gates titled “Ending the Slavery Blame-Game”: “While we are all familiar with the role played by the United States and the European colonial powers like Britain, France, Holland, Portugal and Spain, there is very little discussion of the role Africans themselves played. And that role, it turns out, was a considerable one, especially for the slave-trading kingdoms of western and central Africa. These included the Akan of the kingdom of Asante in what is now Ghana, the Fon of Dahomey (now Benin), the Mbundu of Ndongo in modern Angola and the Kongo of today’s Congo, among several others.

            For centuries, Europeans in Africa kept close to their military and trading posts on the coast. Exploration of the interior, home to the bulk of Africans sold into bondage at the height of the slave trade, came only during the colonial conquests, which is why Henry Morton Stanley’s pursuit of Dr. David Livingstone in 1871 made for such compelling press: he was going where no (white) man had gone before.

            How did slaves make it to these coastal forts? The historians John Thornton and Linda Heywood of Boston University estimate that 90 percent of those shipped to the New World were enslaved by Africans and then sold to European traders. The sad truth is that without complex business partnerships between African elites and European traders and commercial agents, the slave trade to the New World would have been impossible, at least on the scale it occurred.

            Advocates of reparations for the descendants of those slaves generally ignore this untidy problem of the significant role that Africans played in the trade, choosing to believe the romanticized version that our ancestors were all kidnapped unawares by evil white men, like Kunta Kinte was in “Roots.” The truth, however, is much more complex: slavery was a business, highly organized and lucrative for European buyers and African sellers alike.

            Historians John Thornton and Linda Heywood of Boston University estimate that 90% of those African slaves shipped to the New World were enslaved by Africans and sold to Muslims and European traders. The sad truth is that without complex business partnerships between African elites, Muslim nations, and European traders, slave trade to the New World would have been impossible, at least on the scale it occurred.

            The African role in the slave trade was fully understood and openly acknowledged by many African Americans, even before the Civil War. For Frederick Douglass, it was an argument against repatriation schemes for the freed slaves. “The savage chiefs of the western coasts of Africa, who for ages have been accustomed to selling their captives into bondage and pocketing the ready cash for them, will not more readily accept our moral and economical ideas than the slave traders of Maryland and Virginia,” he warned. “We are, therefore, less inclined to go to Africa to work against the slave trade than to stay here to work against it.”

            Our new understanding of the scope of African involvement in the slave trade is not historical guesswork. Thanks to the Trans-Atlantic Slave Trade Database, directed by the historian David Eltis of Emory University, we now know the ports from which more than 450,000 Africans were shipped out to what is now the United States. The database has records of 12.5 million people shipped to all parts of the New World from 1514 to 1866. About 16% of U.S. slaves came from eastern Nigeria, while 24% came from the Congo and Angola.

            Through the work of Professors Thornton and Heywood, we also know that the victims of the slave trade were predominantly members of as few as 50 ethnic groups. This data, along with the tracing of black’s ancestry through DNA tests, is giving us a fuller understanding of the identities of both the victims and the facilitators of the African slave trade.

            For many African-Americans, these facts can be difficult to accept. Excuses run the gamut from “Africans didn’t know how harsh slavery in America was” and “Slavery in Africa was, by comparison, humane” or, in a bizarre version of “The devil made me do it,” “Africans were driven to this only by the unprecedented profits offered by greedy European countries.”

            The sad truth is that the conquest and capture of Africans and their sale was one of the main sources of foreign exchange for several African kingdoms for a very long time. Slaves were the main export of the Kingdom of Kongo; the Asante Empire in Ghana exported slaves and used the profits to import gold. Queen Njinga, the brilliant 17th century monarch of the Mbundu, waged wars of resistance against the Portuguese but also conquered polities as far as 500 miles inland and sold her captives to the Portuguese. When Njinga converted to Christianity, she sold African traditional religious leaders into slavery, claiming they had violated her new Christian precepts.

            Many elite Africans visited Europe in that era and they did so on slave ships following the prevailing winds through the New World. African monarchs also sent their children along these same slave routes to be educated in Europe. And there were thousands of former slaves who returned to settle Liberia and Sierra Leone. The Middle Passage, in other words, was sometimes a two-way street. Under these circumstances, it is difficult to claim that Africans were ignorant or innocent.”

            Indeed. Really complicates your hateful claim that people inherit their ancestors’ guilt doesn’t it?

            “My take is simply that Courlander was mad that Haley got the TV Mini-Series, the riches and publicity and he didn’t.”

            Well that and the admitted plagiarism (though like a weasel Haley blamed it on a “research assistant”).

            “Pettiness by White people. How shocking.”

            Thanks. Another exhibit of bigoted idiocy for the Joseph Wright Hall of Shame. I appreciate you destroying yourself like this for any future debate you might want to have with anyone under any article on this site, especially if it’s race or politics related.

            That alone is enough to make this exchange worthwhile.

            “Remember that dumb question you wanted me to ask the writers about Paul Zimmerman being a racist? As if one of them would have confirmed Z’s racism?”

            Their testimony alone wouldn’t prove or disprove it but it would add evidence weight to one side or the other. More information and perspective is better than less. Your cowardly refusal to ask them is interesting since they’re right here. You wouldn’t have to go out of your way to do actual work to dig them up or anything. Your lame excuse that they’ll supposedly lie simply because they’re “white”, and that’s what white people do, or they’re “journalists” who always protect each other (false on both counts) says more about you than them.

            I didn’t say your four black activists claiming to have seen southern whites celebrating JFK’s assassination wasn’t evidence. But since they’re accusing an entire class of people, not even just one individual, and you can’t find ANY public, direct examples of this alleged behavior through quotes or pictures, and since there’s a lot of evidence of the opposite (white southerners mourning), it’s extremely weak evidence.

            As for your PARAGRAPHS of delusional, bigoted drivel on interracial marriage, again….you’re the only one here who’s expressed any discomfort with it, and you endorsed the NOI’s opposition to it. You’re the one with the hangup. Unlike you, I’m not bothered at all by interracial marriage. Jack Johnson was a century ago, LOL! If you don’t think race relations have changed radically in that time then you’re even more of a nutjob than you’ve shown so far. Back then there was still widespread racial separatist sentiment in the white population, as there was among the more recent black nationalist groups you’ve been defending all over this page. Plenty of interracial couples have gotten hate mail from blacks too, including in recent decades, and there was a decent amount of whining about Billy Bob Thornton’s sex scene with Halle Berry in Monster’s Ball, for example.

            But at least some of these few Hollywood examples you raise (e.g. that TO/Nicollette Sheridan “dust up”) are manufactured “controversies”, liberals talking to other liberals with sensationalistic click bait and projecting their own bigotries onto the largely innocent masses whom they have no respect for or real knowledge of. Pushing “racist” narratives to divide people for cynical political gain. It’s not unlike the countless numbers of campus “hate crimes”, typically something like a swastika and/or racial epithets painted on a black student’s dorm room, that garner national headlines and paralyze the entire school in a fit of sickening PC shaming and “actions to combat hate”, only for it ultimately to turn out to have been a hoax perpetrated by a black student activist, the sorry excuse being something like “raising awareness” or “this wasn’t true but things like it are”. Given the large number of such hoaxes apparently real anti-black bigotry has gotten too hard to come by for leftists’ liking.

            Your defense of Gumbel is interesting though, saying he can’t be a bigot because he has a white wife, while simultaneously saying white man/black woman relationships are largely accepted by the same white population that you’re accusing of being “racist”. More evidence that you’re too stupid to construct a coherent argument.

            And the commentary from you, Gumbel, and Jim Brown on this is delusional, bigoted wishful thinking. This is the same Brown who got torched on national tv after disrespecting the speed of white RB Franco Harris. That garbage may make you feel good about yourself, but obviously white men are doing just fine in the romance department with women of all colors. 😉

            “I doubt you will do the same; we’ve established you don’t do much book reading”

            Someone as barely literate as you claiming I don’t read many books is hilarious. I doubt even you’re stupid enough to believe that, little Joey. I’ve literally read well over a thousand books (I estimated it once out of curiosity; that’s the low end), along with countless articles, studies, encyclopedias, and other material (including plenty by “BLACK” writers, you buffoon; my Gates quote above wasn’t even the first black scholar I’ve cited on this page). Heck, I’ve probably written more than you’ll ever read.

            It’s tragic if you really are a teacher. Those kids deserve better.

          • Joseph Wright
            December 27, 2017

            “I’m not saying you’re a Hitlerian level mass murderer, so save your dumb straw man arguments. You lack the ambition and competence to pull something like that off.”-Rasputin

            You seem to be ignorant enough that you don’t know the proper use of adjectives. Ambition and competence leads to something negative–like mass murder. The words you would be looking for are inhumanity and evil. Speaking of ignorance and evil…

            I am not ignorant like you to: 1. Comment on Muhammad when I don’t know much about him other than he was a prophet and creator of the religion of Islam 2. Take the word of a lying, xenophobic, racist Muslim-basher like you. 3. Continue to insist that someone who doesn’t bash Muslims and defends them is a Muslim (like you continue to insist, wrongly, that Kareem Abdul-Jabbar was in the Nation of Islam. The question was “Did Malcolm X ever own slaves, rape women, or murder anyone?” Things that Thomas Jefferson DID do that made Jefferson an evil man. Upon further investigation, Jefferson also raped the half-sister (Sally Hemings) of Mrs. Thomas Jefferson–DISGUSTING! So the question must be expanded: Did Malcolm X ever own slaves, rape women, rape the half-sister of his wife, or murder anyone?

          • Rasputin
            December 28, 2017

            “I am not ignorant like you to: 1. Comment on Muhammad when I don’t know much about him other than he was a prophet and creator of the religion of Islam”

            Wait…so the excuse for your cowardly cop out is that you ARE ignorant? Do you even read what you type, moron?

            That Muhammad owned slaves and had sex with some of them is established within Islamic history and isn’t really disputed. In fact that example is a big reason why the Muslim world stubbornly clung to slavery so long, not ending it until the Christian West applied enormous pressure on them in the 20th Century. There. You’ve been educated by me (again). You’re welcome.

            How about this? Answer whether you would denounce Muhammad as an evil man in accordance with your earlier Jefferson standard IF (and only if) it’s true that he owned slaves. Fair enough? Now even your historical ignorance is no excuse for not answering.

            “Take the word of a lying, xenophobic, racist Muslim-basher like you.”

            Unlike you I’ve told no lies and I’m not racist or xenophobic. You never did say what “Muslim bash(ing)” I supposedly did. You’re the one spouting off claiming every man who owned slaves throughout history was automatically evil.

            Wait…that’s it? That’s your post? Where’s you thanking me for giving you the sorely needed education on the history of black on black slavery in Africa, from Obama’s black liberal buddy professor to boot? Are you not man enough to admit you’re wrong even when you’ve been so thoroughly refuted in elegant fashion on a major issue like that?

            To what degree, if any, does you being wrong about slavery alter your position that white Zimbabweans deserved murder and ethnic cleansing by Mugabe because of what their ancestors had supposedly done?

          • Joseph Wright
            December 28, 2017

            “Alex Haley perpetrated a hoax on the public.”–Judge Robert J. Ward

            Really? Ward was a federal judge appointed by Richard Nixon. Haley had NO chance. Just like Muhammad Ali with that all-White (racist) jury in Texas in 1967. BTW, you think the Nixon-appointed Ward would have leaned that hard on Melania for her obvious plagiarism of Mrs. Obama’s speech?

            We are not distracted by your random libel on the Prophet Muhammad (He never owned slaves and he never raped any women). So, why don’t YOU man up, you redneck pussy. The questions, expanded because of a new revelation, STILL stand unanswered (in characteristically cowardly fashion) by you: Did Malcolm X ever murder anyone? Did Malcolm X ever own slaves? Did Malcolm X ever rape anyone? Did he ever rape or have extramarital sex with his wife’s sister? Thomas Jefferson is guilty of at least three of those four. Jefferson was an evil man, not Malcolm.

            In your clumsy unsuccessful attempt to exonerate Jefferson while smearing Muhammad (The Islamic Prophet’s life actually reads much like the Bible’s David)–all based on your stupid assumption that I am a Muslim (not surprising, as you still insist Kareem Abdul-Jabbar was in the Nation of Islam. He was not)–you stumbled and fell off the big stage as hilariously as Bob Dole. LOL!!! So, as you inadvertently revealed, you justify slavery AND rape. You are sick.

            As for this crap about “90 percent of the African slaves brought to America were slaves from Africa,” where do you get this nonsense from? Keep in mind, a lot of the “information” on the internet is propaganda and lies packaged as academia (i.e., wikipedia, etc., etc.). You’ve established you don’t read a diverse set of publications, so your mind is more than a little screwed up, but what are your sources? The Confederate Chronicle? Dixieland Documents? The publishing company of Knowledge Killing Knuckleheads–KKK? As for your “my father is far from a KKK member” comment…OK so you mother was in the KKK, that redneck bitch. So SHE’S the one who contaminated your mind with all this racist crap?

            All these falsified stats to ease the guilt and make Whites feel better or even good about themselves is ridiculous. If in fact the “90 percent” lie was true, it’s not, and if the American Whites were good or even “better” than the African slave owners/traders they would have freed the Blacks they took from Africa–ALL of them. Not just a few exceptions.

            You backed off the “Gumbel is a bigot” lie when I checked your ass and schooled you on the fact that he had a White wife. Only ignorant idiots make claims like that without information. Racism is not simplistic, many White men STILL have problems with Black/White couples. However the lesser “evil” of the two options in White men’s minds is if the Black component of that marriage/romance is a woman. If the Black component is a man it messes you guys up. “That’s (Black man with a White woman) death to a White man.”

            Yes, Franco Harris beat Jim Brown in a race. No, Franco Harris is not White. Black parent and an Italian parent. In America, he’s Black. Just like Roy Campanella (why else would his baseball career have to start in the Negro Leagues, numbskull), Suzette Charles (First Black Miss America–after Vanessa Williams was stripped of the crown), and Claudia Jordan (Deal or No Deal model). Based on your twisted logic Terrence Howard, Halle Berry, and Barack Obama are also White. For the record: Howard portrayed Ali in “King of the World”; Berry is the only Black actress with an Oscar for Best Actress; Barack Obama is the first Black U.S. President. As for President Obama’s wife…

            She is an intelligent, classy woman. She is far from ignorant. Harvard University graduate. Passed the Bar Exam. Never killed anybody.

            Laura Bush, on the other hand, ran a stop sign and killed a schoolmate. Never charged. Classy lady?

            Rasputin: “A tragic accident when she was kid. Those things happen. Yes, she showed great strength in overcoming that and turning into the classy lady she is today.”

            Those “things” happen. No, you heartless idiot. Spilling your milk, cutting yourself shaving, misplacing your keys, stumbling on an unseen crack on the sidewalk, even unplanned pregnancies. THOSE things happen. maybe myself and Michelle Obama are secluded and sheltered. I take it you have run a stop sign and killed someone in your life?

            Rasputin: “Yes, she showed great strength in overcoming that…” Uh, dumbass? How about the kid she killed? was he able to “overcome that?” SMH.

            More ignorance from Razzie: “Like an old school Disney villain she (Michelle Obama) took the liberal nanny state to the next level by trying to micromanage school lunches across the country and literally taking away what little joy most kids get during the long, dreary school day.”

            Don’t put your frustrations of being an academic failure on the kids (“long, dreary school day?”). Mrs. Obama understands there is a weight problem in the U.S. and simply was putting a program into operation to provide healthier foods–at healthier portions–for the students. So, you are a fat, ignorant, academic failure without a college degree. I guess Mrs. Obama and I don’t serve your interests.
            You’e also said she is unpleasant. I take it you met her and have had numerous conversations. Just like that poster of Warren Moon on your wall (yeah, right).

            Cookie Gilchrist (a book you’ve never read nor will you ever attempt to. Bigot) has other takes on White racists in America. He wrote: “When a figure such as Malcolm (X) gets up and speaks the truths of White’s racist acts, in there faces and doesn’t attempt to soften the edges and eases their guilt, he will be looked on as a horrible person, even evil (Hmmm. Sound familiar, Razzie?). There are Whites who have the strength and pure conscience to stomach it, but not too many. Now a guy like Dr. King, no doubt a great man, placates Whites. He doesn’t say, “White racism.” He says, “racism.” That appeals to Whites because now that White individual, who may either unknowingly practice or silently condones that behavior of Whites towards Blacks, can say, “Well, he’s not talking about me.” But what’s worse, like with Booker T. Washington, Whites now can twist and take the words of Blacks like King, Roy Wilkens, Washington, and others and take them out of context for their own gain to continue this prejudice and discrimination.” Amen, Cookie. Let’s see if Razzie will answer the questions. Or if he is a coward and duck them. Again. Once again:
            Did Malcolm X ever murder anyone? Did Malcolm X ever own slaves? Did Malcolm X ever rape anyone? Did he ever rape or have extramarital sex with his wife’s sister?

          • Joseph Wright
            December 28, 2017

            “…some of these few Hollywood examples you raise (e.g. that TO/Nicollette Sheridan “dust up”) are manufactured ‘controversies'”–Rasputin

            So, you’re saying that ABC lied about the backlash it received about the TO/Sheridan? Why did those in charge of the “Pelican Brief” movie eliminate the romance between the college student and investigative journalist once Julia Roberts (who was hired/cast as the college student) insist that Denzel Washington be hired/cast as the investigative journalist? You REALLY think the people in charge would have re-wrote the script if Roberts had requested Richard Gere, Tom Cruise, or George Clooney? Are you saying the backlash (slur-filled hate mail; death threats) Willie Gualt and Jamie Lee Curtis received for posing with each other in 1990 was “created by liberals?” You brought up Joe Louis as an example to “expose” Ali’s “bigotry.” I suggest Jack Johnson (Ali, Johnson, and Louis are ALL 20th century sports figures, idiotic coward), but you can’t deal with HIS behavior, which was over-the-top integrationist, much more so than Joe Louis. What do you have against Jack Johnson, Razzie? He wasn’t a Muslim, he married two White women, he fought White racism, he was definitely with integration, and he was from Texas. Why isn’t HE one your heroes? He is one of mine. Plus, he was a much better fighter than Joe Louis. Bigger, stronger, faster.

            As for Laura Bush’s running a stop sign and killing her schoolmate (Rasputin: “Those things happen.” SMH. Like “drops in a bucket”), you are now saying you justify: Slavery; Rape; Reckless manslaughter. Amazing.

            Michelle Obama never killed anyone, is an intelligent, compassionate woman who represented this nation well. Unpleasent? Really? You ever met her? As for the “semi-scowl.” Yeah, sure, Razzie. And Barbara Bush was a REAL good-looking woman. LOL.

            Coward still hasn’t answered the question regarding Malcolm X’s “evil” vs. the real evil of Thomas Jefferson.

            The question is no

          • Rasputin
            December 29, 2017

            Yeah, Hollywood liberals lie constantly to push political agendas. Stop dodging and answer the Muhammad question, you cowardly moron.

            Do you feel Muhammad was evil since he owned slaves, since you earlier claimed any person who ever owned slaves was evil? Or would you like to……say…….clarify your position, LOL? This is the closest I’ll let you have to a face saving exit.

            Rasputin: “Where’s you thanking me for giving you the sorely needed education on the history of black on black slavery in Africa, from Obama’s black liberal buddy professor to boot? Are you not man enough to admit you’re wrong even when you’ve been so thoroughly refuted in elegant fashion on a major issue like that?”

            Joseph Wright: *crickets*

            Guess the answer is that you aren’t man enough. You suck, little Joey.

            Rasputin: “To what degree, if any, does you being wrong about slavery alter your position that white Zimbabweans deserved murder and ethnic cleansing by Mugabe because of what their ancestors had supposedly done?”

            Joseph Wright: *crickets*

            I guess at this point your position hasn’t changed at all. You still support white genocide. You’re a racially bigoted, evil POS.

            “Ambition and competence leads to something negative–like mass murder. The words you would be looking for are inhumanity and evil.”

            No, moron, that was my point. You share the inhumanity and evil but fortunately lack the ambition and competence to do anything but cheer on mass murder.

          • Joseph Wright
            December 29, 2017

            The questions that you have cowardly avoided are:

            Did Malcolm X ever own slaves, rape women, have extramarital sex with his wife’s sister, or murder anyone?

            Did Thomas Jefferson ever own slaves, rape women, have extramarital sex with his wife’s sister, or murder anyone?

            Whoever gets a “yes” or multiple “yesses” was an evil man.

            In your desperate, unsuccessful attempt to shift the focus, you brought in–out of nowhere–the Prophet Muhammad. Not only was this random but, as it turns out (World Book Encyclopedia; Encyclopedia Brittanica; The Prophet Muhammad; and, even for someone with your low IQ, Islam For Dummies) Muhammad never owned slaves or raped anyone. You stumbled and fell off the big stage worse than Bob Dole. LMFAO!!! Give me the scripture in the Koran where his slave owning and raping was cited.

            Your ignorance and cowardice knows no bounds, redneck. What are your sources? The Confederate Chronicle? The Stars & Bars Sentinel? The Dixielander Defender? How about the publishing company or the Knowledge Killing Knuckleheads (KKK)? Smh.

            “Alex Haley perpetrated a hoax on the public,”–Judge Robert J. Ward
            Yeah, right. A federal judge appointed by Richard Nixon (the same Nixon caught on tape referring to Blacks as “n—–s”). Haley didn’t have a chance. He pulled the pants down on Whites and exposed their evil asses during slavery.

            No doubt Whites couldn’t have pulled off the crime of the slave trade of Africans without the help of sellout Blacks (Black sellouts are found every generation; the latest and most prominent are Clarence Thomas, Larry Elder, Thomas Sowell, Alveda King, and Jason Whitlock). But those Blacks were simply dumb tools for the Evil White racists’ overall plan. Usually, after Black sellouts serve their purpose for White racists, they are dropped (see: Stacy Dash and Omarosa).

            Good to see i schooled your sorry ass and checked you on the lie about Bryant Gumbel being a “bigot.” The man is MARRIED to a White woman, dumbass. Jim Brown: “That’s death to a White man.”

            Oh, by the way, Franco Harris beat JB in the race but Franco Harris is not White. He comes from a Black parent and a White one. So in the United States, he’s Black. Just like Roy Campanella (Why else did he have to start his pro baseball career in the Negro Leagues, idiot?), Suzette Charles (The First Black Miss America after Vanessa Williams was stripped of the crown), and Claudia Jordan (Deal or No Deal model). I guess by your desperate, stupid thinking Barack Obama (First Black U.S. President; He checked the “African American-Black” box on the U.S. Census), Halle Berry (First Black Actress to win Oscar for Best Actress) and Terrence Howard (“Empire” star) are also White. SMH.

            Cookie Gilchrist wrote, “…When a Black man like Malcolm X speaks against White racism in a direct, outspoken, in-your-face manner, He will be vilified and be labeled a “troublemaker,” “evil (Hmmm.Intersting. Where have I read this before?),” or “wicked.” Though there are Whites who will understand and agree with what he is saying, there are very few.
            However, someone like a Booker T. Washington or Dr. King–and King is a great leader–speaks about racism, discrimination, and prejudice but not link Whites to it is widely admired. But there still is danger with someone like Washington or King. Whites who have a prejudice agenda will use these Black leaders words and twist them around to keep the prejudice and discrimination they practice against Blacks alive.”
            Amen, Cookie

          • Rasputin
            December 31, 2017

            “Muhammad never owned slaves or raped anyone”

            You didn’t provide any quotes, you lying moron. Here are quotes from reference sources, the Koran, and hadiths (parentheses within quotes are part of the text):

            BBC, “Slavery in Islam”: “The legality of slavery in Islam, together with the example of the Prophet Muhammad, who himself bought, sold, captured, and owned slaves, may explain why slavery persisted until the 19th century in many places (and later still in some countries). The impetus for the abolition of slavery came largely from colonial powers”

            You’re welcome, Kareem.

            Encyclopedia Britannica, “Muhammad”: “After each of the three major military encounters with the Meccans, Muhammad and his followers manage to oust another of the three main Jewish tribes of Medina. In the case of the last Jewish tribe to be displaced, the Qurayẓah, all adult males are executed, and the women and children are enslaved.”

            The Huffington Post, “The Truth About Islam and Sex Slavery History Is More Complicated Than You Think”: “What is known of Muhammad’s life is disputed, but his biographies uniformly report that slaves and freed slaves were part of his household. One was Mariyya the Copt. A gift from the Byzantine governor of Alexandria, she reportedly bore Muhammad a son…”

            Encyclopedia Britannica, Slavery (sociology): “Slaves were owned in all Islamic societies, both sedentary and nomadic, ranging from Arabia in the centre to North Africa in the west and to what is now Pakistan and Indonesia in the east. Some Islamic states, such as the Ottoman Empire, the Crimean Khanate, and the Sokoto caliphate, must be termed slave societies because slaves there were very important numerically as well as a focus of the polities’ energies.

            Slaves have been owned in black Africa throughout recorded history. In many areas there were large-scale slave societies, while in others there were slave-owning societies. Slavery was practiced everywhere even before the rise of Islam, and black slaves exported from Africa were widely traded throughout the Islamic world. Approximately 18 million Africans were delivered into the Islamic trans-Saharan and Indian Ocean slave trades between 650 and 1905. In the second half of the 15th century Europeans began to trade along the west coast of Africa, and by 1867 between 7 million and 10 million Africans had been shipped as slaves to the New World. Although some areas of Africa were depleted by slave raiding, on balance the African population grew after the establishment of the transatlantic slave trade because of new food crops introduced from the New World, particularly manioc, corn (maize), and possibly peanuts (groundnuts). The relationship between African and New World slavery was highly complementary. African slave owners demanded primarily women and children for labour and lineage incorporation and tended to kill males because they were troublesome and likely to flee. The transatlantic trade, on the other hand, demanded primarily adult males for labour and thus saved from certain death many adult males who otherwise would have been slaughtered outright by their African captors. After the end of the transatlantic trade, a few African societies at the end of the 19th century put captured males to productive work as slaves, but this usually was not the case before that time.”

            Concubines and Courtesans: Women and Slavery in Islamic History, p. 327: “Muhammad’s relationship with Mariya the Copt, another Egyptian slave girl, provided the basis for the religious sanctioning of sexual enjoyment of slave women. The Prophet Muhammad owned four concubines remembered by name, in addition to his multiple wives. One girl, in particular, captured his attention (and the attention of his biographers). According to the hagiography, the patriarch of Alexander sent an old eunuch and two Coptic sisters to Muhammad as a gift. Muhammad gave one sister to a follower but took Mariya the Copt, with her beautiful curly hair and fair skin, as a concubine (jariya). She bore him a son, Ibrahim, the only child that Muhammad produced after the death of his first wife, Khadija (d. 619).”

            Sura 4:24 – “Forbidden to you also are married women, except those who are in your hands as slaves”

            Owners were free to have sex with slaves even if they were married. In fact the topic of sex with slaves arises frequently in the Koran.

            Sura 33:50 – “Prophet, We have made lawful to you the wives to whom you have granted dowries and the slave girls whom God has given you as booty.”

            Many of Muhammad’s slaves came from conquest, though he reportedly engaged in purchase transactions as well.

            Sura 23:1-7: “Happy now the believers…who restrain their appetites, (Save with their wives, or the slaves whom their right hands possess: for in that case they shall be free from blame: But they whose desires reach further than this are transgressors:)”

            Sahih Muslim Book 10 Hadith 3901: “Jabir (Allah be pleased with him) reported: There came a slave and pledged allegiance to Allah’s Apostle (Peace be upon him) on migration; he (the Holy Prophet) did not know that he was a slave. Then there came his master and demanded him back, whereupon Allah’s Apostle (Peace be upon him) said: Sell him to me. And he bought him for two black slaves, and he did not afterwards take allegiance from anyone until he had asked him whether he was a slave (or a free man)”

            So Muhammad traded two of his black slaves for this runaway who had shown up and whose pledge he had accepted without knowing he was a slave. The incident annoyed Muhammad enough that afterwards he wouldn’t accept such pledges until first finding out if they were slave or free.

            Suri 33:49: “O Prophet! We allow thee thy wives whom thou hast dowered, and the slaves whom they right hand possesseth out of the booty which God hath granted thee”

            Suri 33:50: “We well know what we have settled for them, in regard to their wives and to the slaves whom their right hands hold, that there may be no fault on thy part: and God is Indulgent, Merciful!
            Thou mayest decline for the present whom thou wilt of them, and thou mayest take to thy bed her whom thou wilt, and whomsoever thou shalt long for of those thou shalt have before neglected; and this shall not be a crime in thee. …

            It is not permitted thee to take other wives hereafter, nor to change thy present wives for other women, though their beauty charm thee, except slaves whom thou right hand shall possess. “

            Bukari 47:743: “The Prophet sent for a woman from the emigrants and she had a slave who was a carpenter. The Prophet said to her “Order your slave to prepare the wood (pieces) for the pulpit.” So, she ordered her slave who went and cut the wood from the tamarisk and prepared the pulpit, for the Prophet. When he finished the pulpit, the woman informed the Prophet that it had been finished. The Prophet asked her to send that pulpit to him, so they brought it. The Prophet lifted it and placed it at the place in which you see now.”

            Muhammad using slave labor to build the very pulpit from which he preached.

            Bukhari Book 41:598: “Narrated Jabir: A man manumitted a slave and he had no other property than that, so the Prophet cancelled the manumission (and sold the slave for him). No’aim bin Al-Nahham bought the slave from him.”

            Muhammad cancelled a slave’s impending freedom and sold him to another owner instead.

            Abu Dawud, 2150: “The Apostle of Allah (may peace be upon him) sent a military expedition to Awtas on the occasion of the battle of Hunain. They met their enemy and fought with them. They defeated them and took them captives. Some of the Companions of the Apostle of Allah (may peace be upon him) were reluctant to have intercourse with the female captives in the presence of their husbands who were unbelievers. So Allah, the Exalted, sent down the Qur’an verse (Qur’an 4:24) ‘and all married women (are forbidden) unto you save those (captives) whom your right hands possess.”

            Some of Muhammad’s troops were reluctant to rape female prisoners in front of their captive husbands, so Muhammad told them that Allah had informed him it was alright.

            Now that’s a war Muhammad Ali could get behind!

            Bukhari, 59:637: “The Prophet sent ‘Ali to Khalid to bring the Khumus (of the booty) and I hated Ali, and ‘Ali had taken a bath (after a sexual act with a slave-girl from the Khumus). I said to Khalid, “Don’t you see this (i.e. Ali)?” When we reached the Prophet I mentioned that to him. He said, “O Buraida! Do you hate Ali?” I said, “Yes.” He said, “Do you hate him, for he deserves more than that from the Khumlus.”

            Muhammad telling a man’s wife who was upset over her husband having sex with a slave girl that he actually deserved even more than that given his role in the battle.

            Ibn Ishaq, 693: “Then the apostle sent Sa’d b. Zayd al-Ansari brother of Abdu’l-Ashhal with some of the captive women of Banu Qurayza to Najd and he sold them for horses and weapons.

            The apostle had chosen one of their women for himself, Rayhana ‘Amr Khunafa, one of the women of ‘Amr Qurayza, and she remained with him until she died in his power. The apostle had proposed to marry her and put the veil on her, but she said: ‘Nay, leave me in your power, for that will be easier for me and for you.’ So he left her. She had shown repugnance towards Islam when she was captured and clung to Judaism.”

            Muhammad used slaves for profit and sex.

            Ibn Isaq, 734: “‘As for ‘Ali he said: “Women are plentiful, and you can easily change one for another. Ask the slave girl, for she will tell you the truth.” So the apostle called Burayra to ask her, and ‘Ali got up and gave her a violent beating, saying, “Tell the apostle the truth,” to which she replied, “I know only good of her. The only fault I have to find with Aisha is that when I am kneading dough and tell her to watch it she neglects it and falls asleep and the sheep..comes and eats it!”

            Muhammad watching approvingly as his right hand man Ali violently beat his slave girl to interrogate her about the truth of a swirling rumor that Muhammad’s own wife Aisha had been unfaithful. He eventually concluded it was a false rumor and had those spreading it flogged. BTW, he married Aisha when she was 6 years old and, according to the Sahih al-Bukhari hadith (considered the most reliable and important hadith in Islam), consummated the marriage when she was 9.

            Bukhari 34:432: “Narrated Abu Said Al-Khudri: that while he was sitting with Allah’s Apostle he said, “O Allah’s Apostle! We get female captives as our share of booty, and we are interested in their prices, what is your opinion about coitus interrupt us?” The Prophet said, “Do you really do that? It is better for you not to do it. No soul that which Allah has destined to exist, but will surely come into existence.”

            Muhammad’s men were pulling out as a method of birth control because they wanted to eventually sell the women they were raping for a profit, and impregnating them could hurt their value. He told them not to worry about birth control because Allah would determine whether the slaves got pregnant or not anyway.

            That same account appears in different variations multiple times in the hadiths.

            Bukhari 47:765: “Kurib: the freed slave of Ibn ‘Abbas, that Maimuna bint Al-Harith told him that she manumitted a slave girl without taking the permission of the Prophet. On the day when it was her turn to be with the Prophet, she said, “Do you know, O Allah’s Apostle, that I have manumitted my slave-girl?” He said, “Have you really?” She replied in the affirmative. He said, “You would have got more reward if you had given her (i.e. the slave-girl) to one of your maternal uncles.””

            Muhammad chastising someone for freeing a slave girl, saying she should have given him to a relative instead.

            Sahih Muslim 4112: “‘Imran b. Husain reported that a person who had no other property emancipated six slaves of his at the time of his death. Allah’s Messenger (Peace be upon him) called for them and divided them into three sections, cast lots amongst them, and set two free and kept four in slavery; and he (the Holy Prophet) spoke severely of him.”

            A man freed 6 slaves in his will, but Muhammad rescinded the act, allowing 2 to go free but keeping 4 in slavery apparently for himself, and casting lots to determine their fates.

            There’s other material but I’ve more than made my case. Dozens of Muhammad’s slaves, male and female, are even named. By now you should know better than to challenge me on history, or frankly any other topic, little Joey. When I say something I mean it.

            “and, even for someone with your low IQ, Islam For Dummies)”

            What’s awesome about that line is that you just conceded a couple of posts ago that you’re completely ignorant about Muhammad and Islam, while, unlike you, I actually own my own copy of the Koran. At the home run derby of stupid you’ve really hit it out of the park again, LMFAO!

            “You stumbled and fell off the big stage worse than Bob Dole.”

            LOL! You must have been watching yourself in a mirror, moron. You’re like Hillary Clinton collapsing while trying to get into her car during the campaign (“What Happened”?), except you didn’t have cronies to catch you and you faceplanted.

            “Give me the scripture in the Koran where his slave owning and raping was cited.”

            Now that I have, let’s see if you’re man enough to admit you’re wrong. Your history here suggests otherwise, you pathetic coward.

            “In your desperate, unsuccessful attempt to shift the focus, you brought in–out of nowhere–the Prophet Muhammad. Not only was this random”

            Wrong, halfwit. You were the one who started falsely accusing me of “Muslim bashing” out of the blue as a lame diversion from you being crushed on other fronts…….in the same posts where you stupidly claimed that any person who had ever owned slaves in history was evil.

            You’re just a faceplant machine!

            You have two options, wuss:

            1. Declare that Muhammad was “evil” to remain true to your own professed standard, while dropping your stupid “Muslim bashing” accusations against others.

            2. Backpedal by admitting you were just shooting your mouth off earlier, and that you don’t really believe that Thomas Jefferson, George Washington, and every other person in history who owned slaves was automatically evil.

            Or the third option, where you just totally ignore this in your next post as you futilely tried to do in your previous one. Doing that would mark you as even more of a colossal coward than you’ve already proved yourself to be, and would be your final degeneration into pathetic laughing stock.

            “Did Malcolm X ever own slaves, rape women, have extramarital sex with his wife’s sister, or murder anyone?”

            Not that I know of, but Muhammad did. What’s your point, moron? That someone can’t be evil unless they do those things? The NOI and Black Panthers as groups certainly committed a lot of murders and other crimes. BTW, you never answered: do you still not know “what is wrong” with either of those groups?

            Your hero Robert Mugabe murdered a lot of people too. Is your defense really that you only applaud white genocide from a distance without (presumably) killing anyone yourself? Do you honestly claim that’s enough to make you not evil? Do you apply that same standard to Hitler’s fans or people who joined the KKK but didn’t kill or rape anyone?

            “Did Thomas Jefferson ever own slaves, rape women, have extramarital sex with his wife’s sister, or murder anyone?”

            Yes, no, probably not, no. He did write the Declaration of Independence, found the University of Virginia, doubled the USA’s size with one purchase as president, and lots of other great things though.

            ““Alex Haley perpetrated a hoax on the public,”–Judge Robert J. Ward
            Yeah, right. A federal judge appointed by Richard Nixon (the same Nixon caught on tape referring to Blacks as “n—–s”). Haley didn’t have a chance.”

            You mean the same Nixon who started affirmative action and presided over the bulk of school integration in the country, LOL? And what would that have to do with the judge anyway, moron? Nixon also appointed liberal John Stevens to the Supreme Court. Haley settled because the facts proved him wrong.

            “He pulled the pants down on Whites and exposed their evil asses during slavery.”

            With a piece of fiction, LOL? Everyone already knew about slavery and opposed it. Haley just made a quick buck dumbing people (like you) down and encouraging racial hostility. You realize most whites never owned slaves and it was a bunch of whites who ended slavery, don’t you? Of course you’re too blinded by your race hatred to see facts clearly, bigot.

            “No doubt Whites couldn’t have pulled off the crime of the slave trade of Africans without the help of sellout Blacks…But those Blacks were simply dumb tools for the Evil White racists’ overall plan.”

            LOL! That’s your pitiful response to me proving you totally wrong on African slavery in spectacular, humiliating fashion? Then why, according to both Obama’s buddy Gates and Encyclopedia Britannica quoted above, did black on black slavery predate the Transatlantic trade by many centuries and outlast it? In fact it took Western powers exerting pressure to finally end African slavery in the 20th Century.

            What’s funny is that I’ve destroyed your entire ignorant worldview here when for me this is just light bag work. 🙂

            “(Black sellouts are found every generation; the latest and most prominent are Clarence Thomas, Larry Elder, Thomas Sowell, Alveda King, and Jason Whitlock).”

            So if someone disagrees with you on fiscal policy or some other political issue they’re a racial “sellout”. Only a raging bigot says garbage like that, Joey, so I’m not surprised that you do. For the record everyone you just listed is vastly smarter and a better person than you are.

            “Good to see i schooled your sorry ass and checked you on the lie about Bryant Gumbel being a “bigot.” The man is MARRIED to a White woman, dumbass.”

            Guess you ignored me refuting your sorry ass by reminding you that you’ve been sitting here claiming “white racists” are fine with white man/black female couplings. By your own logic black bigots can be fine with black men marrying white women. You even hinted that directly in your early responses to me raising the issue (“Why didn’t you flip it?”). Regardless, Gumbel’s bigoted wishful thinking is clear in his comments, and either way your position is crashing down on its own internal contradictions.

            “Oh, by the way, Franco Harris beat JB in the race but Franco Harris is not White. He comes from a Black parent and a White one.”

            The point was that Jim Brown was delusional, moron, not what race Harris is. And he is a lot whiter than Brown, lol, which is probably why Brown stupidly disrespected his speed.

            “Cookie Gilchrist wrote, “…When a Black man like Malcolm X speaks against White racism in a direct, outspoken, in-your-face manner, He will be vilified and be labeled a “troublemaker,” “evil (Hmmm.Intersting. Where have I read this before?),” or “wicked.” Though there are Whites who will understand and agree with what he is saying, there are very few.
            However, someone like a Booker T. Washington or Dr. King–and King is a great leader–speaks about racism, discrimination, and prejudice but not link Whites to it is widely admired. But there still is danger with someone like Washington or King. Whites who have a prejudice agenda will use these Black leaders words and twist them around to keep the prejudice and discrimination they practice against Blacks alive.”
            Amen, Cookie”

            Or when blacks exhibit racial bigotry like Malcolm X did (calling for mass white deaths and white “babies” and “women” to suffer, opposing integration and interracial marriage, etc.) they’ll get push back from non-bigots, white and black alike. Yawn. BTW, are you just making these quotes up? Because I googled it and nothing came up. I’d guess not, since the writing is higher quality than you’ve shown yourself able to produce, but that’d mean this is pretty obscure, inconsequential writing by Gilchrist.

            You’ve really gone out of your way to paint Cookie Gilchrist as a douchebag so far, but do you think he’d endorse your support for white genocide in Zimbabwe?

            I doubt it. Not that I really care much one way or the other. Exposing your bigotry and kicking your ass all over this page has been fun for me.

          • Joseph Wright
            January 2, 2018

            “Did Malcolm X ever own slaves, rape women, have extramarital sex with his wife’s sister, or murder anyone?”

            Not that I know of, but Muhammad did. What’s your point, moron?”–Rasputin.

            The point is, numbskull, that you said “Malcolm X was an evil man,” while at the same time praising Thomas Jefferson–a bigot, a racist, slave owner, a rapist, and an indulger in an extramarital affair with his wife’s sister–as a contrast. The question was not about the Prophet Muhammad at all. You cowardly ducked the question that was comparing X’s “evil” with Jefferson’s true evil then, out of nowhere, you used Muhammad as a distraction to cover for Jefferson. Under the stupid assumption that I am a Muslim. Just like your ignorant, obsessive insistence that Kareem Abdul-Jabbar was in the Nation of Islam. All of this propaganda and garbage about Muhammad (who’s next? David–whose life Muhammad parallels, how about Solomon, or maybe Jacob) was a smoke screen until you could desperately “find” someone to take the heat off of Jefferson’s scummy ass. I say “find” because you say multiple times that these “sources” say Muhammad “reportedly” had or purchased slaves.

            But this isn’t about Muhammad. It is about Malcolm X and Thomas Jefferson and who was REALLY the evil man. You copped out (“Not that I know of.” Coward) and had no choice but admit that Malcolm didn’t commit any of the evils of owning slaves, raping women, nor having extramarital sexual encounters with his wife’s sister, as Jefferson did.

            Jefferson was a scumbag. Doubled the size of the country, huh? By stealing land from Mexico. As for your questions about Muhammad, why don’t you pose these questions to Muslims instead of quoting your right-wing, White racist conservative sources from Google.

            You couldn’t find the Cookie Gilchrist quote on Google? That’s because you are too dumb and lazy and get your ignorant ass out of your trailer park cocoon and go to a library or publisher to find it. How far did you go in school? Malcolm an honorable man at death; Jefferson a scumbag in death.

          • Joseph Wright
            January 2, 2018

            “Muhammad never owned slaves or raped anyone”–Me

            “You didn’t provide any quotes,”–Rasputin
            Pick up the World Book Encyclopedia and read it, dumbass

            All of this followed by yet another long rambling about why you justify slavery: “See, White people weren’t evil, they were just doing what the Africans were already doing.” We are talking about slavery in America. Stay focused. It paints your people in a horrible light (count Thomas Jefferson and George Washington in that group) but deal with it. According to you and your “sources,” slavery was all over 95 percent of Africa. Ridiculous. Let’s say, for the sake of an argument, that this exaggeration of a lie was true. If Whites were sooo good, why would they want to be a part of it? And keep it going AFTER they stopped kidnapping/stealing Blacks out of Africa?

            As for all of your allegations against the Prophet Muhammad, why don’t you present these to some Muslims and pick there brains about him? I’m not a Muslim. And these questions were the focus:

            ” Did Malcolm X ever own slaves, rape women, have extramarital sex with his wife’s sister, or murder anyone?”
            And
            “Did Thomas Jefferson ever own slaves, rape women, have extramarital sex with his wife’s sister, or murder anyone?”

            What does this have to do with Muhammad, you Muslim-bashing xenophobe? How far did you go in school? Focus on X and Jefferson, numbskull.

            You own a copy of the Koran, Yeah, right. Surrrre. I’m sure it’s collecting dust next to your Warren Moon poster.

            ” “Did Malcolm X ever own slaves, rape women, have extramarital sex with his wife’s sister, or murder anyone?”–Me

            “Not that I know of…What’s your point, moron?”–Rasputin
            The point, dumbass (man, you’re stupid. Try getting accepted into a college, then work your way up into a university…and graduate!) Is that you said Malcolm X “was an evil man (Cookie Gilchrist talked about insecure White racists like you)” then held up Thomas Jefferson–a documented bigot, racist, slave owner, and philandering rapist–as the better man. Epic fail. “…(D)oubled the USA’s size with one purchase as president…” You mean stealing land from Mexico?

            “Your hero Robert Mugabe…” Not my hero. However, I do respect him taking back the country from the descendants of thieves.

            “…the same Nixon who started affirmative action and presided over the bulk of school integration in the country, LOL.”–Rasputin.

            The only LOL is your amatuer attempt to lie–again. Nixon put Affirmative Action (now you’re for it?) into place only because he deceitfully (what else is new?) added White women to the policy to appease the Southern White racists. As for school integration in the U.S., Eisenhower, Kennedy, and Johnson beat him to that. Nixon was JUST THERE. Alex Haley facing a Nixon-appointed judge (and an all-White jury) had about as much chance at justice as Muhammad Ali in 1967 in Houston.

            “You realize most whites never owned slaves and it was a bunch of whites who ended slavery, don’t you?”–Rasputin

            Yes, because:

            A) There were also Whites in the North the West, and Canada.
            B) Many were poor White trash like you
            C) The North kicked the South’s ass in the Civil War.

            “Guess you ignored me refuting your sorry ass by reminding you that you’ve been sitting here claiming “white racists” are fine with white man/black female couplings. By your own logic black bigots can be fine with black men marrying white women.” No,no,no. White racists are less hostile at the sight of White men with Black women as opposed to Black Men with White women. For White people like you, it’s the lesser of two evils. That’s why you can’t deal with Jack Johnson. You won’t even touch him as a sports hero.

            “Oh, by the way, Franco Harris beat JB in the race but Franco Harris is not White. He comes from a Black parent and a White one.”–Me

            “The point was that Jim Brown was delusional, moron, not what race Harris is.”–Rasputin

            Then why did you bring it up, dumbass?

            “And he is a lot whiter than Brown, lol, which is probably why Brown stupidly disrespected his speed.”–Rasputin

            Brown’s problem with Franco had nothing to do with Harris’ color. Jim Brown is not a racist. But you sure are.

            Later, numbskull.

          • Rasputin
            January 3, 2018

            “Jefferson was a scumbag. Doubled the size of the country, huh? By stealing land from Mexico…..”

            No, the Louisiana Purchase from France. Mexico didn’t even exist in 1803, Mr. “history teacher”. It was founded in 1821. Holy crap. This is why our education systems sucks, especially in California where someone like you is allegedly employed to teach HISTORY of all things. You even repeat this wrong claim later:

            “(D)oubled the USA’s size with one purchase as president…” You mean stealing land from Mexico?”

            LOL! I’m not sure what’s worse, you being an ignorant moron who doesn’t know the first thing about history, or you being a confirmed racial bigot who cheerleads white genocide in Zimbabwe. Talk about not having a chance; your poor students don’t have much of a chance with an incompetent, hate-filled scumbag like you running their classroom. Or at least anything good they go on to accomplish will be despite you, not because of you.

            “Many were poor White trash like you”

            Nice. You keep adding plum exhibits showcasing your racial bigotry, Joey.

            “out of nowhere, you used Muhammad as a distraction to cover for Jefferson. Under the stupid assumption that I am a Muslim.”

            No, moron, I didn’t assume you were a Muslim. I exposed your ignorance and hypocrisy in elegant fashion because you were stupidly calling me a “Muslim basher” out of the blue (as an actual diversion from you being ass stomped on other topics) in the same posts where you stupidly claimed any man who had ever owned slaves was automatically “evil”, regardless of historical context. You clearly didn’t know Muhammad owned slaves (worse, you wrongly claimed he didn’t). Now you do.

            But I see you took option three as I laid out above and predicted. You weren’t man enough to be consistent and call Muhammad “evil” by the same standards you apply to Jefferson (and other whites), nor were you even honest or man enough to retract your absurd, categorical claim by admitting that it’s stupid to automatically label every slave owner in history as “evil” when slavery was legal and accepted practice around the world for most of human history.

            Instead you just posted pointless paragraphs whining about me having asked you the question in the first place. You’re stamping your feet, red faced and crying like a toddler. You’ve been gutted again, absolutely humiliated and you know it.

            You’ve been exposed as a degenerate coward of the lowest order, Joseph Wright. You’re a pussy and a laughingstock.

            “I say “find” because you say multiple times that these “sources” say Muhammad “reportedly” had or purchased slaves.”

            Or had sex with, or condoned the rape of, or ordered to build his pulpit, or traded his own black slaves for, or reversed the manumission of, or sold women and children for profit. You don’t even know what the hadiths are. Just stop embarrassing yourself on this topic. We already have enough topics you’re doing that on. We don’t need more.

            “As for your questions about Muhammad, why don’t you pose these questions to Muslims instead of quoting your right-wing, White racist conservative sources from Google.”

            LOL! I used various sources. Again, unlike you I actually own my own copy of the Koran (for posting purposes here I used an English translation by J.M. Rodwell, from an Everyman edition published in 1994; some of the quotes with King James-esque language like “thee” and “thy”) . Some came from books, and many of the hadiths were pulled from a couple of big online Islamic sources (e.g. google “muflihun”). Many of the quotes I crosschecked with other versions, and I didn’t use some that had extreme variations. I also didn’t use many that are rock solid simply for space reasons since I had already proved my point.

            And what’s your pathetic, half-hearted response?

            “Pick up the World Book Encyclopedia and read it, dumbass”

            LOL! Which part, moron? You still haven’t quoted anything. I remember reading World Book Encyclopedia some when I was in grade school because that’s what they had at school, but even back then I preferred reading Encyclopedia Britannica Macropedia articles (the big, advanced ones) on my own time.

            I went out of my way to include quotes from Britannica since you had specifically cited that in your previous post (apparently you were lying), as well as the BBC, the Huffington Post (“right wing”?), and other sources refuting you, including many from the Koran and hadiths themselves. Your claim that Muhammad “never owned slaves or raped anyone” was completely refuted in crushing fashion, including by Muhammad’s own words.

            You’re the one who’s too lazy to have educated yourself. Don’t project your own faults onto me.

            In one of your rare honest moments (laced with a bit of panic) you earlier conceded your ignorance on Muhammad and Islam. If you had a properly functioning brain you’d then stop trying to hide behind 21st Century knee jerk liberal boilerplate rhetoric like “Muslim bashing” just because I criticized the Nation of Islam, especially since I had gone out of my way to distinguish those racist scumbags from mainstream Muslims. Stick with topics you actually know something about. Granted that’s not much (we can eliminate history and slavery from the mix), but surely there’s SOMETHING you’re not completely ignorant on.

            “and had no choice but admit that Malcolm didn’t commit any of the evils of owning slaves, raping women, nor having extramarital sexual encounters with his wife’s sister”

            I never said otherwise, you idiot. Talk about a red herring. But I did answer your irrelevant, off topic questions, while you tearfully dodged mine exposing your hypocrisy on Muhammad and slavery, you craven wuss.

            You also ignored another key question you cropped out here so I’ll repeat it:

            What’s your point, moron? That someone can’t be evil unless they do those things? The NOI and Black Panthers as groups certainly committed a lot of murders and other crimes. BTW, you never answered: do you still not know “what is wrong” with either of those groups?

            Your hero Robert Mugabe murdered a lot of people too. Is your defense really that you only applaud white genocide from a distance without (presumably) killing anyone yourself? Do you honestly claim that’s enough to make you not evil? Do you apply that same standard to Hitler’s fans or people who joined the KKK but didn’t kill or rape anyone?

            Man up for once and answer the above questions, wuss.

            “All of this followed by yet another long rambling about why you justify slavery: “See, White people weren’t evil, they were just doing what the Africans were already doing.” We are talking about slavery in America.”

            No, you were talking about the “white” race, moron, and you specifically made false claims about the origins of African slaves, based in part on Alex Haley’s debunked “Roots” account, LOL.

            For the record, are you saying “White people” ARE evil as the NOI does?

            You earlier denied there was any black on black slavery, trying to justify slavery by dismissing it as merely debt punishment and even saying you approved of it. I skull thumped you with an article by Obama’s professor friend Henry Gates completely refuting everything you said, and the above Britannica segment for good measure.

            Hating slavery is good. The problem is when, in your historical ignorance, you let that lead you into hating a particular race. That’s when you need a check.

            You’re welcome for the education.

            “According to you and your “sources,” slavery was all over 95 percent of Africa. Ridiculous.”

            That long quote came from the Encyclopedia Britannica, which in your last post you had just pretended to have read and mentioned approvingly, LOL!

            You’ve posted absolutely nothing to contradict it.

            “As for all of your allegations against the Prophet Muhammad, why don’t you present these to some Muslims and pick there brains about him? I’m not a Muslim.”

            You’re not a Virginian, white person, or patriotic American either, halfwit. So by your logic you shouldn’t be commenting on Jefferson or anyone else from those categories either. Of course that’s just a lame rationale for your cowardly dodge.

            “And these questions were the focus:”

            I answered your questions. Still waiting on you to answer mine, wuss.

            “you said Malcolm X “was an evil man…” then held up Thomas Jefferson–a documented bigot, racist, slave owner, and philandering rapist–as the better man.”

            Actually, moron, I mentioned MLK’s praise of Jefferson (despite the imperfections) to contrast KING’S wiser perspective with yours. But we’ve established your reading comprehension sucks.

            “Malcolm an honorable man at death; Jefferson a scumbag in death.”

            Jefferson never celebrated the deaths of innocent people , spewed racial hatred, or loudly called for babies and women to “suffer”. With Jefferson the good far outweighs the bad. By contrast the only “great” accomplishment you ever came up with for Malcolm X was some rabidly racist speech he gave while he was still in his NOI phase, and still very much a scumbag. And have no illusions, if slavery was still legal then Malcolm X and other NOI types would have been first in line to own slaves. Jefferson spoke more eloquently and forcefully about the evils of slavery and the need to end it than Malcolm X did. Thomas Jefferson actually helped end slavery in the US and around the world through the legacy of his writing in the Declaration of Independence and elsewhere (e.g. “all men are created equal”).

            But you’re too much of a myopic bigot to see or care about any of that. You only see racial tribalism everywhere you look.

            “It paints your people in a horrible light”

            See? “Your people”. Since you define one’s “people” through skin color, I posted the historical material I did to educate you and disabuse you of the illusions that help prop up your prejudices. Right now you’re still in the petty denial phase, so it might take some time for your worldview being shattered to have any noticeable positive impact on your behavior, if it ever does. But at least now on some level you know many of the racial assumptions you’ve lived with throughout your life aren’t true.

            “you Muslim-bashing xenophobe?”

            You’re the xenophobe who praised Mugabe’s mass murder and ethnic cleansing of the white minority, you hypocritical moron. I’m no xenophobe or racial bigot.

            ““Your hero Robert Mugabe…” Not my hero. However, I do respect him taking back the country from the descendants of thieves.”

            Because you’re a racial bigot who applauds genocide. But you never answered my question: if it’s ok to murder people today because of what one of their ancestors allegedly did, then who ISN’T it ok to murder? Who doesn’t have someone unsavory in their ancestry? That’s an especially important question since you’re making sweeping racial judgments, and given the education I just gave you about the history of African slavery (and human sacrifice, murder, conquest, rape, etc.), not to mention more recent murder and crime rates. Heck, even in the US about 10,000 slaves were owned by black people on the eve of the Civil War.

            “The point, dumbass (man, you’re stupid. Try getting accepted into a college, then work your way up into a university…and graduate!)”

            Setting aside the fact that my education was obviously superior to yours, is this the university that taught you that President Thomas Jefferson conquered part of Mexico, LOL? What school was that? A university with proper standards never should have let someone as ignorant as you graduate. Even a high school shouldn’t have given you a diploma. Those papers are worthless if they don’t mean anything.

            “Nixon put Affirmative Action…into place”

            I accept your concession.

            “Affirmative Action (now you’re for it?)”

            No, moron, I oppose racial discrimination regardless of what color it’s against. I’m just educating you with some facts to underscore how vapid and stupid your claim that Nixon was such a raging anti-black bigot that no judge or official he appointed could be expected to be fair to black people.

            “…only because he deceitfully (what else is new?) added White women to the policy to appease the Southern White racists.”

            So you’re opposed to affirmative action for women?

            “As for school integration in the U.S., Eisenhower, Kennedy, and Johnson beat him to that. Nixon was JUST THERE. ”

            No, schools weren’t integrated overnight. The majority were finally integrated during Nixon’s tenure, and in large part because he worked behind the scenes to bring that about.

            “Alex Haley facing a Nixon-appointed judge (and an all-White jury) had about as much chance at justice as Muhammad Ali in 1967 in Houston.”

            Sure, like Nixon-appointed John Stevens, later one of the modern left’s favorite Supreme Court justices, LOL. You’re a joke.

            Haley was sunk by the facts of his own plagiarism, and his narrative has been debunked by actual history, including that laid out in detail by the black scholar Henry Gates I quoted earlier.

            “your ignorant ass out of your trailer park cocoon and go to a library or publisher to find it. How far did you go in school?”

            So class prejudice from you too. If I really did live in a trailer park what would be wrong with that? Have you never had any students who lived in a trailer park? Guess they had zero chance of a fair shake from you (especially if they were white). Replace “trailer park cocoon” with “ghetto cocoon” and tell me how that sounds. Of course you’re projecting here as we’ve established by documenting your actual ignorance and failure to do any research.

            Rasputin: “You realize most whites never owned slaves and it was a bunch of whites who ended slavery, don’t you?”

            Joseph Wright: “Yes, because:
            A) There were also Whites in the North the West, and Canada.”

            Most southern whites never owned slaves either.

            “You couldn’t find the Cookie Gilchrist quote on Google?”

            No, but I don’t care enough about the irrelevant red herring to have spent more than a few seconds on it. You’re the one who’s too lazy and/or dishonest to cite your own quote, not that it matters. Don’t bother.

            “That’s why you can’t deal with Jack Johnson. You won’t even touch him as a sports hero.”

            I don’t have strong feelings about him either way, little Joey. Yawn.

            “No,no,no. White racists are less hostile at the sight of White men with Black women as opposed to Black Men with White women. For White people like you, it’s the lesser of two evils.”

            More projection, you bigoted halfwit. And so now you’re saying Jefferson’s alleged coupling with Sally Hemmings proved he WASN’T a “racist”?

            One thing’s for sure, little Joey, you’re too stupid to maintain a coherent position even through one discussion.

            “Brown’s problem with Franco had nothing to do with Harris’ color. Jim Brown is not a racist.”

            Oh he had some racial baggage, though maybe less now than in the past. He even called out Colin Kaepernick for his anti-American protests, so kudos to Jim Brown for finally joining the good guys on that one.

            “The North kicked the South’s ass in the Civil War.”

            Not really, though they eventually got the result after enormous sacrifice. I have kicked your ass here though.

          • Joseph Wright
            January 3, 2018

            “It’s stupid to automatically label every slave owner in history as ‘evil’ when slavery was legal and accepted practice around the world for most of human history.”–Rasputin.

            Yet ANOTHER statement of ignorance to justify Thomas Jefferson, George Washington , and countless other Whites in the South to practice the evil, racist institution of enslaving Blacks in the United States. Way to go, redneck. Denying Blacks the right to vote, ride wherever they wanted to on the bus, eat at whatever restaurant, drink at any water fountain (and the list goes on and on…) were legal, too. Was Rosa Parks a horrible criminal for refusing to leave her seat? Or how about Jack Johnson for marrying two White women?

            “And so now you’re saying Jefferson’s alleged coupling with Sally Hemings proved he WASN’T a “racist”?”–Rasputin.

            No. Racism is not as simplistic as your small IQ can only comprehend. The White racist man getting a Black woman is a corrupt, twisted fantasy blended with a power trip some White racists (like Jefferson) have. Given that Jefferson thought that Blacks were inherently and naturally inferior to Whites (translation: lower primates), I guess Ol’ Tommie was into beastialiaty, too. Jefferson really was scum. As for the LA Purchase, the land was stolen. The French (who were White by the way–does anyone who isn’t White detect a trend here?) stole it, then sold it to the U.S. What’s ironic is, a key reason the French sold the stolen land was that they were in the process of getting there asses kicked (like in Vietnam; like in the southern remainder of Mexico–Cinco de Mayo). Because of their pursuit of practicing slavery on Blacks, the Blacks ultimately outnumbered the French and kicked them off the island of Haiti. Of course, the Whites–in Razzie-like, bed-wetting fashion–went crying to what we now know as the United Nations and the UN put an embargo on Haiti that lasts to this day. UN: “Don’t you dare eliminate White slave masters on your own–EVER. Who do you Black people think you are?” I guess you could say they were the inspiration of Robert Mugabe (No embargo on him or Zimbabwe, though). And the Blacks in Haiti, who were enslaved, had sanctions from the UN put on THEM?

            “I also didn’t use many that are rock solid simply for space reasons since I had already proved my point. ”

            All you proved is that you are full of it (racism or crap–I’ll let you and the readers decide).

            “Pick up the World Book Encyclopedia and read it, dumbass”-ME
            “LOL! Which part, moron? You still haven’t quoted anything.”

            Try the section entitled “Muhammad,” idiot.

            World Book Encyclopedia; Muhammad of Mecca: Prophet of Islam by Elsa Marston; Islam For Dummies (appropriate for your low level of intelligence) by Professor Malcolm Clark
            (Bonus for you: They’re all White–so it must be diverse and credible)

            “No, moron, I didn’t assume you were a Muslim. I exposed your ignorance and hypocrisy in elegant fashion because you were stupidly calling me a “Muslim basher” out of the blue…”

            Why did you bring Muhammad up then, stupid? You have not said one favorable thing about any Muslim on this site. Al you’ve done is constantly bash anyone of the Muslim faith, then dragged Muhammad into your mess. Couldn’t you ask me about George Washington, Jimmy Swaggart, Jim Baker, Pat Robertson, Roy Moore, Oral roberts, The Catholic Priests, or Brigham Young? Even Ghandi? Noooo. It had to be a Black man who was a Muslim. The fact that you are a Muslim-basher is nowhere near out of the blue.

            As for the original topic that you keep fleeing from in a cowardly way, It is extremely obvious that Malcolm X wasn’t guilty of the serious evils that Thomas Jefferson was. Jefferson was a scumbag. The fact of the matter is, in addition to the LA heist, Jefferson didn’t even want to write the DOI. That was the combined idea of John Adams and Ben Franklin (two White men who had a clearer, more moral vision regarding Blacks than Jefferson and saw slavery for what it is–evil). The fact was, they felt Jefferson had better writing skills then they did. So Jefferson, somewhat reluctantly wrote it. And don’t get it twisted, when he wrote about freedom and equality he was ONLY talking about White men in America, no one else. Malcolm X took the trip to Mecca and started working towards and talking about more purer ideals until his death. Jefferson was a slave owner, raping Sally Hemings and who knows what other slaves of his, to the very last end. Malcolm X was a better man than Thomas Jefferson.

            The Cookie Gilchrist quote can be found in Offensive Stars of Pro Football During the Civil Rights Era by Edgar Hayes.

            Later, skinhead.

          • Rasputin
            January 4, 2018

            You claimed that President Thomas Jefferson conquered part of Mexico after I mentioned that he had doubled the USA’s size. The Louisiana Purchase (from France) was in 1803. Mexico was founded in 1821. You claimed to be a “history teacher”.

            You praised Zimbabwe dictator Robert Mugabe for murdering and ethnically cleansing white people. You’ve repeatedly exhibited racial bigotry throughout this exchange, while falsely accusing others of being “racist”.

            You attacked the entire white race for slavery while ignorantly denying that blacks played any role in the slave trade. When I crushed you with evidence from sources like Henry Louis Gates, Obama’s black professor friend, and the Encyclopedia Britannica proving otherwise, your reply was to dismiss them and equate them to a few racial “sell outs” today (you listed a few black conservatives and MLK’s own niece as examples). This is despite black on black slavery existing throughout history until it was ended in the 20th Century (chiefly by Western powers), more black slaves being sold to the Transarahan-Muslim world than the Transatlantic trade, and the big slave traders representing the center of black African gravity (e.g. Kingdom of Kongo, the Asante Empire, Mbundu). Again, you earlier claimed to be a “history teacher”.

            As a lame diversion you falsely accused me of “Muslim bashing” in numerous posts because I had criticized the rabidly racist Nation of Islam (since Colin Kaepernick had praised them), and in some of those same posts you claimed that any person in history who owned slaves was “evil” regardless of historical context. I exposed your ignorance and hypocrisy by pointing out it’s well documented that Muhammad owned slaves, had sex with some of them, and explicitly allowed his men to have sex with enslaved women.

            You replied by denying this and falsely claiming Muhammad never owned slaves or raped anyone. Even after I posted mountains of evidence from prominent reference sources, the hadiths themselves, and my own copy of the Koran, you squirmed around posting nonsense like the pathetic coward you are instead of acknowledging either that Muhammad was evil by your own standard or retracting your earlier categorical standard.

            You’re a hypocrite and your credibility is less than zero. You’re a liar, a coward, a moron, and a racial bigot with a slew of bad personality issues, Joseph Wright.

            “The White racist man getting a Black woman is a corrupt, twisted fantasy blended with a power trip some White racists (like Jefferson) have.”

            Let me get this straight. You claim Bryant Gumbel coupling with a white woman proves he isn’t racist, but Jefferson coupling with a black woman is evidence he is racist? I disagree.

            Your above sentence is obviously just more projection from you. I have no desire to hear any more about your fantasies.

            “As for the LA Purchase, the land was stolen. The French (who were White by the way–does anyone who isn’t White detect a trend here?) stole it, then sold it to the U.S.”

            Not stolen from Mexico, you idiot, which didn’t exist, LOL. And actually the land was disputed by France and Spain, but France had the stronger claim (there’s a reason it’s named “Louisiana” after King Louis XIV, and its biggest city is “New Orleans”). While Jefferson got a good deal because Napoleonic France was in dire financial straights at the time, the US literally paid for it and didn’t steal it from anyone.

            “Because of their pursuit of practicing slavery on Blacks, the Blacks ultimately outnumbered the French and kicked them off the island of Haiti. Of course, the Whites….went crying to what we now know as the United Nations and the UN put an embargo on Haiti that lasts to this day. UN: “Don’t you dare eliminate White slave masters on your own–EVER. Who do you Black people think you are?”

            What the hell are you talking about, you deranged moron? The US is Haiti’s largest trading partner today and has given it billions of dollars in aid. Haiti even enjoys privileged status most nations don’t that lets it export many goods duty free. The UN imposed sanctions for a while in the 1990s because a military coup had ousted the democratically elected leader, but Haiti currently has a more or less functioning democracy, in no small part due to the US. I guess you were let down by whatever half-baked, agenda driven blog you read during your panicked googling after you realized you had faceplanted by claiming Thomas Jefferson had conquered part of Mexico.

            As for the sanctions several nations imposed for a while in the 1800s, it didn’t help that after the revolution the new Haitian regime launched an openly admitted campaign to massacre the entire white population, ultimately killing 3,000-5,000 people and basically accomplishing its goal of eradication. They didn’t even given them a chance to leave because they didn’t want them to escape. Men were murdered first, followed by women and children. The women were often brutally raped before they were killed. Even many French residents who had been friendly to the black revolutionaries were killed. At one point the regime offered an amnesty for any whites in hiding to reveal themselves and be spared, but it broke its promise and killed those who appeared. A few women were allowed to live if they agreed to marry black men, because their children wouldn’t be fully white. The regime policy was no white people, even completely new white people who had nothing to do with slavery, should be allowed to exist on the island, and whites were explicitly forbidden from owning land by law.

            This illustrates that no race has a monopoly on bad acts, and being victims doesn’t necessarily make people good.

            “Islam For Dummies (appropriate for your low level of intelligence) by Professor Malcolm Clark”

            You’re the one citing “Islam For Dummies”, moron, LOL! And still no quotes from you, cowardly liar, not that anything you produced would come close to refuting what I posted from major reference works, well sourced articles, and the Koran and hadiths themselves anyway.

            For what it’s worth I googled up your “Islam for Dummies” and didn’t find anything in that contradicted the other sources. It seems to soft play slavery for PC reasons by not discussing it much (distortion through omission), but even it has a brief blurb near the end that includes this: “It has been less than a century since legalized slavery was finally eliminated in all countries. Some people suggest that in some remote areas, de facto slavery still remains, and slavery is specifically allowed in the Qur’an with some restrictions…..Although Muslim states today prohibit slavery, in theory slavery is possible under Muslim law today.”

            “You have not said one favorable thing about any Muslim on this site.”

            Because we were discussing the Nation of Islam, you bigoted idiot. And even that’s not true since I mentioned some favorable things about Ali and some others we’ve discussed (along with criticism). Ok though. Hakeem Olajuwon was a great basketball player and from what I’ve seen seems to be a good guy. He’s a Muslim. There. I also like King Abdullah II of Jordan and this new Saudi leader Mohammed bin Salman who appears serious about both fighting terrorists and reforming his society, among many other people.

            “Why did you bring Muhammad up then, stupid?…. You have not said one favorable thing about any Muslim on this site…..Couldn’t you ask me about George Washington,..”

            I’ve already explained that, moron, to expose your hypocrisy. Why are you crying about me bringing him up? Do you only want to condemn white slave owners as “evil”? Are you fine with non-white slave owners? That’s what your whining implies.

            “As for the original topic that you keep fleeing from in a cowardly way, It is extremely obvious that Malcolm X wasn’t guilty of the serious evils that Thomas Jefferson was. Jefferson was a scumbag….Malcolm X was a better man than Thomas Jefferson.”

            That was hardly the original topic (note how you’ve fled from discussing Kaepernick’s support for NOI/Black Panther murderous, bigoted scumbags), and are you now conceding that Malcolm X WAS evil? I never said he was the most evil person in history (Hitler, Stalin, Mugabe, and numerous fellow NOI and Black Panther members were worse, for example), but he was an evil man who spewed vile racial hatred and openly celebrated the deaths of innocents while calling for the “suffering” of “babies” and “women”. He was about as evil as one could be without personally murdering someone himself. Is it your position that you’re not truly evil unless you personally murder someone, even if you overtly support and encourage murder or rape by others? So far you’ve dodged that question and the others I’ve asked in truly cowardly fashion.

            Thomas Jefferson was a much better man Malcolm X though. The paragraphs of ignorant fantasy you go on to spew about the Declaration of Independence are as worthless and wrong as your claim that Jefferson conquered part of Mexico, lol, and merit no response.

            Jefferson owned slaves because it was legal at the time and he had inherited them. It was the world he was born into. As for his views on slavery, however, Jefferson included a line in the proposed 1776 Virginia Constitution prohibiting the import of slaves….

            Jefferson: “No person hereafter coming into this country shall be held within the same in slavery under any pretext whatever.”

            ….and a couple of years later he successfully led the charge in Virginia banning the import of new slaves, making it one of the first jurisdictions in the world to do so.

            In the 1780s he even proposed Virginia completely abolish slavery.

            Jefferson: “The General assembly shall not have to power to …permit the introduction of any more slaves to reside in this state, or the continuance of slavery beyond the generation which shall be living on the 31st day of December 1800; all persons born after that day being hereby declared free.”

            And in 1784 he proposed an ordinance that would have banned slavery in the Northwest territories.

            As US president Jefferson supported and signed the 1807 act criminalizing the international slave trade, and helped enforce that. His hope was that this would lead to slavery gradually melting away.

            Years before, in an early draft of the Declaration of Independence, Jefferson had included this telling section strongly condemning slavery and King George’s role in it…

            Jefferson: “He has waged cruel war against human nature itself, violating its most sacred rights of life and liberty in the persons of a distant people who never offended him, captivating & carrying them into slavery in another hemisphere or to incur miserable death in their transportation thither. This piratical warfare, the opprobrium of infidel powers, is the warfare of the Christian King of Great Britain. Determined to keep open a market where Men should be bought & sold, he has prostituted his negative for suppressing every legislative attempt to prohibit or restrain this execrable commerce. And that this assemblage of horrors might want no fact of distinguished die, he is now exciting those very people to rise in arms among us, and to purchase that liberty of which he has deprived them, by murdering the people on whom he has obtruded them: thus paying off former crimes committed again the Liberties of one people, with crimes which he urges them to commit against the lives of another.”

            …though delegates supporting the slave trade insisted it be removed. So basically, once again, the truth is the opposite of what you wrote.

            Here are some other samples of Jefferson’s writing over the years:

            Jefferson: “I am not justifying the wrongs we have committed on a foreign people, by the example of another nation committing equal wrongs on their own subjects. on the contrary there is nothing I would not sacrifice to a practicable plan of abolishing every vestige of this moral and political depravity.”

            Jefferson: “we feel & deplore it morally and politically, and we look, without entire despair to some redeeming means not yet specifically foreseen. I am happy in believing that the conviction of the necessity of removing this evil gains ground with time.”

            Jefferson: “I can say with conscious truth that there is not a man on earth who would sacrifice more than I would, to relieve us from this heavy reproach, in any practicable way. the cession of that kind of property, for it is so misnamed, is a bagatelle which would not cost me a second thought, if, in that way, a general emancipation and expatriation could be effected”

            Jefferson (advocating the substitution of crops like maple syrup in place of tobacco and cotton to undermine the economic rationale for slavery): “What a blessing to substitute a sugar which requires only the labour of children, for that which it is said renders the slavery of the blacks necessary.”

            Jefferson (especially note the second sentence): “There must doubtless be an unhappy influence on the manners of our people produced by the existence of slavery among us….And can the liberties of a nation be thought secure when we have removed their only firm basis, a conviction in the minds of the people that these liberties are of the gift of God? That they are not to be violated but with his wrath? Indeed I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just: that his justice cannot sleep for ever: that considering numbers, nature and natural means only, a revolution of the wheel of fortune, an exchange of situation, is among possible events: that it may become probable by supernatural interference! The Almighty has no attribute which can take side with us in such a contest.–But it is impossible to be temperate and to pursue this subject through the various considerations of policy, of morals, of history natural and civil. We must be contented to hope they will force their way into every one’s mind. I think a change already perceptible, since the origin of the present revolution. The spirit of the master is abating, that of the slave rising from the dust, his condition mollifying, the way I hope preparing, under the auspices of heaven, for a total emancipation, and that this is disposed, in the order of events, to be with the consent of the masters, rather than by their extirpation.”

            Clearly by “all men are created equal” Jefferson DID mean blacks too. I guess it’s subjective, but I’ll take the above sentiment, morality, and intelligence over your hero Malcolm X’s “ask God to cause his babies to suffer” or “I would like to announce a very beautiful thing that has happened…He dropped an airplane out of the sky with over 120 white people on it…. we will continue to pray and we hope that every day another plane falls out of the sky” or “Don’t let the white man fool you…. Behind that smile is a vicious heart. Behind those teeth is an animal-like beast who doesn’t have it within him to want for you what he wants for himself and his own kind”, or “When you look at that man you’re supposed to see him for exactly what he is… nothing but a race of beasts” any day. Talk about an evil scumbag.

            But then you’re a racial bigot while I’m not.

          • Joseph Wright
            January 4, 2018

            “Jefferson owned slaves because it was legal at the time and he had inherited them. It was the world he was born into.”–Rasputin

            Justifying slavery, racism and bigotry of the scumbag Jefferson again, huh, redneck? So I take it, then, that Harriet Tubman was an evil woman for leading the “jailbreak” of hundreds of slaves, according to your twisted, racist logic. She also helped destroy the South by fighting for the Union in the Civil War.

            No doubt, Jefferson also raped Sally Hemings (and probably other slaves) because it was legal at the time and he had inherited them. After all it was the world he was born into. Amazing.

            Noah and Lot were born into evil societies but they stayed above the evil fray. Why couldn’t ol’ Tommie?

            Malcolm X (unlike Jefferson) never owned slaves, rejected racism and bigotry after his pilgrimage to Mecca, and did not rape women. He (unlike Jefferson) definitely didn’t have sex with his wife’s sister (they–Mrs. Jefferson and Ms. Hemings–were related because his father-in-law raped one of his slaves, thus producing Sally Hemings)–sick!

            If Jefferson was really that much against slavery he would have ended it as president, as Abraham Lincoln did. But Jefferson loved the “joys” of the institution too much. All those “anti-slavery” ramblings of his were simply lip service. At the very least, if it concerned him so terribly, he could have at least freed his own slaves. He did not. He felt Blacks were inherently inferior and never changed his mind.

            Jefferson wanted to free the slaves “at the right time?” Otherwise, they would be “worse off?” After the successful escape from the South, Harriet Tubman didn’t do too badly (see her role in kicking the South’s ass in the Civil War) nor did the Blacks she freed later. Fredrick Douglass didn’t “suffer” from freedom after escaping to the North. Neither did the Blacks who successfully fled the South to go all the way to Canada or Mexico. Jefferson was a self-serving scumbag and hypocrite.

            Perhaps the “poor, victimized White folks” in Haiti would not have been slaughtered by the Blacks if they hadn’t purchased/kidnapped them and made them slaves in the first place. Why is that never considered by you? Huh? Answer THAT question.

            And…Perhaps the “poor, victimized White folks” in Zimbabwe would not have been slaughtered by Robert Mugabe if their ancestors hadn’t stolen the Blacks land and made the Blacks “tenants”–of their own home– in the first place. Why doesn’t your thought process operate as a normal sane individual regarding these situations? You’re the type of person who would steal a person’s eyeballs and then tell them they look better. SMH.

            America was at the forefront of ending slavery? Really? Mexico had the U.S. beat by 36 years on ending the enslavement of Black people. And actually had a Black president shortly after that. Took America 143 years to match one. Or was Barack Obama White like Franco Harris? What an idiot this redneck is.

            Transitioning from Harris, let’s go here:

            “As US president Jefferson supported and signed the 1807 act criminalizing the international slave trade, and helped enforce that. His hope was that this would lead to slavery gradually melting away.”–Rasputin

            “…People say ‘Yes, the White man has his foot up your ass. Be patient, be understanding. He must adjust to not having his foot up your ass. Give him another 200 years. Let him ease it out (‘His (Jefferson’s) hope was that this would lead to slavery gradually melting away’).

            ” I say, No. Take it out. Now.”–Jim Brown, 1989

            And, now readers, this from Rasputin the Muslim-Basher, clumsily trying to “exonerate” himself: “Hakeem Olajuwon was a great basketball player…” You really don’t get it, do you?

            “Not stolen from Mexico, you idiot, which didn’t exist, LOL. And actually the land was disputed by France and Spain, but France had the stronger claim (there’s a reason it’s named “Louisiana” after King Louis XIV, and its biggest city is “New Orleans”). While Jefferson got a good deal because Napoleonic France was in dire financial straights at the time, the US literally paid for it and didn’t steal it from anyone.”–Rasputin.

            It was stolen property that the U.S. paid for. As La Raza says, “We didn’t come over the border, the border came over us.” I guess that pays homage to Malcolm’s “We didn’t land on Plymouth, Plymouth rock landed on us.” Nicely done.

            “The White racist man getting a Black woman is a corrupt, twisted fantasy blended with a power trip some White racists (like Jefferson) have.”–Me

            “Let me get this straight. You claim Bryant Gumbel coupling with a white woman proves he isn’t racist, but Jefferson coupling with a black woman is evidence he is racist? I disagree.”–Rasputin

            White racism isn’t that simplistic. It’s too complex for a mentality like yours to remotely understand. If Jefferson, or any White man MARRIES a Black woman, he must really love and respect her. The reason being, he is basically putting a stigma on himself in American White society. Jefferson raping (“coupling with?” Really?) a Black woman was as you said, “…legal at the time… It was the (institutionally racist White) world he was born into.”

            With all this White racist propaganda that you post echoing the theme “Blacks were already slaves all over Africa,”–amazing how all this “research” came out AFTER Alex Haley came out with “Roots” and exposed the institution and exposed the Whites who practiced it on worldwide, prime-time TV–you are:
            A) Giving Whites a complete pass for their great participation in this evil
            B) Totally deceitful and misleading in your effort
            C) Essentially saying, “Blacks were already slaves, they were doomed anyway.” Much like the infamous quote from college basketball coach Bobby Knight: “If rape is inevitable, relax and enjoy it.” I’m sure that’s what Jefferson told Sally Hemings.

            After the North kicked the South’s ass in the Civil War, the Union Soldiers ransacked the Southern property, kidnapped the remaining Confederate citizens, and took and raped the Southern White women. Now THAT, my redneck idiot, was the chickens coming home to roost.

          • Rasputin
            January 5, 2018

            It’s over. You’re in full meltdown from the ass kicking I’ve given you. Some of these deranged one lines you vomited show that nicely:

            “You’re the type of person who would steal a person’s eyeballs and then tell them they look better.”

            “White racism isn’t that simplistic. It’s too complex for a mentality like yours to remotely understand.”

            LOL!

            “And…Perhaps the “poor, victimized White folks” in Zimbabwe would not have been slaughtered by Robert Mugabe if their ancestors hadn’t stolen the Blacks land and made the Blacks “tenants”–of their own home– in the first place. Why doesn’t your thought process operate as a normal sane individual regarding these situations?”

            You say they deserved to be slaughtered because of what their “ANCESTORS” had allegedly done, and you’re babbling about the sanity of MY thought processes?

            You never did answer my question about whether only white people should be killed or robbed based on what their ancestors did or if that applies to non-whites as well, you cowardly moron.

            “the Union Soldiers ransacked the Southern property, kidnapped the remaining Confederate citizens, and took and raped the Southern White women. Now THAT, my redneck idiot, was the chickens coming home to roost.”

            So the women had it coming did they, Joseph Wright? You don’t like women do you? That’s some other baggage you’ve got.

            “Perhaps the “poor, victimized White folks” in Haiti would not have been slaughtered by the Blacks if they hadn’t purchased/kidnapped them and made them slaves in the first place. Why is that never considered by you? Huh? Answer THAT question.”

            The children they killed had it coming too? They hadn’t enslaved anyone. Even a lot of the adults weren’t slave owners. Some of the victims had actually supported the black cause. Of course I reject your premise that people should be punished for the alleged sins of some of their ancestors.

            “If Jefferson was really that much against slavery he would have ended it as president, as Abraham Lincoln did.”

            He wanted to avoid a bloody civil war for one thing. Looks like his analysis was correct. Even Lincoln wanted this, to the point where he stressed upon his election that he wasn’t going to end slavery. The war was to keep the union together, but given how bloody and destructive it was (no “ass kicking” either way), and the fact that few Democrats held office, the Republicans figured afterwards that they might as well end it then.

            Jefferson was born into a time where slavery was pervasive and accepted around the world, and he spoke out against it and took concrete actions to end it, including by legally prohibiting the importation of new slaves. Jefferson made the world better. Much better.

            Malcolm X was born into a country and time where slavery was illegal, and yet he preached race hatred and called for innocent people to die. He made the world worse.

            “Mexico had the U.S. beat by 36 years on ending the enslavement of Black people.”

            Only because the soil of Mexico was mostly not conducive to large scale cash crop plantations the way the US south, Brazil, and West Indies were. That said, even the early Mexican republic, like most revolutions around the world for the next century or so, took enormous inspiration from the American example (even calling itself the “United Mexican States” in 1824), including the words of Thomas Jefferson. Of course since Mexico lacked the same cultural foundations underpinning the USA, surface trappings like adopting a written constitution and three branch federal government with a “president” leading the executive aside, it has never been as stable, plagued by corruption and periodically falling into dictatorship. No Mexicans are really that free even today, let alone back then.

            “It was stolen property that the U.S. paid for.”

            Repeating a falsehood doesn’t make it true no matter how many times you repeat it, a lesson you should have learned a long time ago.

            “As La Raza says, “We didn’t come over the border, the border came over us.””

            Actually the vast majority of Hispanics in the US are recent immigrants or descended from people who immigrated across the border in the past few decades, so that’s another BS cliche. Just because something makes a nice bumper sticker doesn’t make it true (e.g. “Hands up, don’t shoot!”).

            “I guess that pays homage to Malcolm’s “We didn’t land on Plymouth, Plymouth rock landed on us.””

            Plymouth Rock is why Malcolm X was among the freest and most prosperous black people in human history even in the 1960s.

            “At the very least, if it concerned him so terribly, he could have at least freed his own slaves. He did not.”

            He freed a few of them, ones with enough education and training that he felt they were capable of striking out on their own and securing gainful employment. He certainly did more to help black people than Malcolm X did to help white people, or black people for that matter.

            “With all this White racist propaganda that you post echoing the theme “Blacks were already slaves all over Africa,”–”

            Wait….are you calling articles by Henry Louis Gates (Obama’s black professor friend at the “beer summit”) and Encyclopedia Britannica “white propaganda”, LOL?

            You proved you were moron long ago, Joseph Wright, but under stress and humiliation you’re becoming an increasingly INSANE moron.

            “”–amazing how all this “research” came out AFTER Alex Haley came out with “Roots” and exposed the institution and exposed the Whites who practiced it on worldwide, prime-time TV–you are:”

            Wrong. This used to be common knowledge, as Gates pointed out. Even before the Civil War Frederick Douglas talked about the dominance of black slavers in Africa as a good reason it would be better for free blacks to stay in the US.

            “Giving Whites a complete pass for their great participation in this evil”

            Nope. But you compound your bigoted evil of condemning an entire race by hypocritically giving black Africa a pass for its vital, substantial role in the evil of slavery. You’re historically ignorant and have no perspective of the real world.

            “Totally deceitful and misleading in your effort”

            Everything I’ve said has been the honest truth while you’ve spewed falsehoods on virtually every point, often blatantly lying. When undeniably proved factually wrong on a point you don’t even have the class to acknowledge it.

          • Joseph Wright
            January 5, 2018

            Always using the tired old “meltdown” line when your ass gets kicked, huh, redneck? Want a review quote from me? “Everytime I whip your ass, you revert to the deversionary (and very unsuccessful) “Meltdown” garbage. You’re the only one losing it, not me. You got deleted for stupid stuff. I never have been. Why is that, redneck?”

            Just to refresh the readers’ memories, THIS is a meltdown:

            “Are you freaking kidding me? I post thoughtful, fact-based replies to both of David O’Brien’s idiotic ad hominem posts above and MY posts get deleted?!?! It’s certainly not a “conversation” if the other side doesn’t get a chance to speak. I’ve been a regular on this site for a long time and I don’t recall ever having or seeing posts deleted.”

            LOL!!! That ALWAYS cracks me up!! This guy was stupid enough to get deleted from this fine website. LMAO!!!

            On to more serious business–that scumbag racist, the raping slaveowner, Thomas Jefferson.

            “Jefferson’s 4 percent (i.e., Black slaves equal four percent profit for slave owners) theorem threatens the comforting notion that he had no real awareness of what he was doing, that he was “stuck” with or “trapped” in slavery, an obsolete, unprofitable, burdensome legacy. The date of Jefferson’s calculation aligns with the waning of his emancipationist fervor. Jefferson began to back away from antislavery just around the time he computed the silent profit of the “peculiar institution.”
            And this world was crueler than we have been led to believe. A letter has recently come to light describing how Monticello’s young black boys, “the small ones,” age 10, 11 or 12, were whipped to get them to work in Jefferson’s nail factory, whose profits paid the mansion’s grocery bills. This passage about children being lashed had been suppressed—deliberately deleted from the published record in the 1953 edition of Jefferson’s Farm Book, containing 500 pages of plantation papers. That edition of the Farm Book still serves as a standard reference for research into the way Monticello worked.”

            Basically, Jefferson was too much of a greedy, hedonistic scumbag to end slavery. All his “anti-slavery sentiments” were lip service. He enforced lashings, he raped his women and kept his slaves in bondage until he died. Thomas Jefferson was the evil man, not Malcolm X.

            Here is one true look into ol’ Tommie’s character:

            “Jefferson noted curtly in a letter to Randolph that another overseer had already delivered his tobacco to the Richmond market, “where I hope George’s will soon join it.” Randolph reported back that Granger’s people had not even packed the tobacco yet, but gently urged his father-in-law to have patience with the foreman: “He is not careless…tho’ he procrastinates too much.” It seems that Randolph was trying to protect Granger from Jefferson’s wrath. George was not procrastinating; he was struggling against a (Black slave) workforce that resisted him. But he would not beat them, and they knew it.
            At length, Randolph had to admit the truth to Jefferson. Granger, he wrote, “cannot command his force.” The only recourse was the whip. Randolph reported “instances of disobedience so gross that I am obliged to interfere and have them punished myself.” Randolph would not have administered the whip personally; they had professionals for that.

            Most likely he called in William Page, the white overseer who ran Jefferson’s farms across the river, a man notorious for his cruelty. Throughout Jefferson’s plantation records there runs a thread of indicators—some direct, some oblique, some euphemistic—that the Monticello machine operated on carefully calibrated brutality. Some slaves would never readily submit to bondage. Some, Jefferson wrote, “require a vigour of discipline to make them do reasonable work.” That plain statement of his policy has been largely ignored in preference to Jefferson’s well-known self-exoneration: “I love industry and abhor severity.” Jefferson made that reassuring remark to a neighbor, but he might as well have been talking to himself. He hated conflict, disliked having to punish people and found ways to distance himself from the violence his system required.

            Thus he went on record with a denunciation of overseers as “the most abject, degraded and unprincipled race,” men of “pride, insolence and spirit of domination.” Though he despised these brutes, they were hardhanded men who got things done and had no misgivings. He hired them, issuing orders to impose a vigor of discipline.

            It was during the 1950s, when historian Edwin Betts was editing one of Colonel Randolph’s plantation reports for Jefferson’s Farm Book, that he confronted a taboo subject and made his fateful deletion. Randolph reported to Jefferson that the nailery was functioning very well because “the small ones” were being whipped. The youngsters did not take willingly to being forced to show up in the icy midwinter hour before dawn at the master’s nail forge. And so the overseer, Gabriel Lilly, was whipping them “for truancy.”
            Betts decided that the image of children being beaten at Monticello had to be suppressed, omitting this document from his edition. He had an entirely different image in his head; the introduction to the book declared, “Jefferson came close to creating on his own plantations the ideal rural community.” Betts couldn’t do anything about the original letter, but no one would see it, tucked away in the archives of the Massachusetts Historical Society. The full text did not emerge in print until 2005.”

            And, Razzie, this gem from the Virginia abolitionist Moncure Conway, noting Jefferson’s enduring reputation as a would-be emancipator, remarked scornfully, “Never did a man achieve more fame for what he did not do.”

            As for the whole “Whites did a lot to help end slavery” remark…It’s not like there was a substantial amount of non-Whites in the U.S. government to help accomplish this and Blacks didn’t have the right to vote. Who else was going to enforce legislation to free them, numbskull?

            Malcolm X (who co-authored his autobiography with Alex Haley; The book is now required college reading throughout the world; another accomplishment of Malcolm’s that you suppress and never acknowledge) was not an evil man, Jefferson was a scumbag, and the Whites of Haiti, Zimbabwe, and the Confederacy simply reaped what they (and their benefitting descendants) sewed.

            “You’re the type of person who would steal a person’s eyeballs and then tell them they look better.”–Me

            What other conclusion can you come to on a person who:

            1) Condones and justifies Whites participation in slavery every time. EVERY time.

            2) Gives Laura Bush a complete pass on killing a classmate after she ran a stop sign with the stupid explanation, “Those things happen.” (Then adds that SHE overcame this tragedy.SMH. What about the classmate? Or his family? Misplaced prioties)

            3) Refers to the deaths of innocent Blacks at the hands of White cops as, “Drops in a bucket.”

            4) Inaccurately characterizes the eyewitness accounts of Coretta Scott King, Myrlie Evers, Julian Bond, and Spencer Haywood on Southern Whites celebrating the news of President Kennedy’s assassination as “second-hand” and “probably BS.”

            So Jefferson didn’t want a Civil War? Lincoln went forward with it and Blacks were no longer slaves and slavery was ended. The Southern Whites who practiced and embraced slavery were slaughtered. Yeah, big loss. God doesn’t like ugly and sometimes the punishments can be severe and extreme. The ends justified the means. David slewed Goliath, didn’t he? Obama got rid of Bin Laden, right?

            Cookie Gilchrist and Malcolm X had many things in common. Many things that, apparently, would disgust you. Among others: They called out Jefferson and George Washington on their slave ownership (so did the World Book Encyclopedia) and were admirers of John Brown.

            Read more: https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/the-dark-side-of-thomas-jefferson-35976004/#ss8K80TUeDloo9kO.99

          • Rasputin
            January 10, 2018

            Joseph Wright Hall of Shame
            (Feature “White” Exhibit)

            “Many were poor White trash like you” – Joseph Wright

            “And…Perhaps the “poor, victimized White folks” in Zimbabwe would not have been slaughtered by Robert Mugabe if their ancestors hadn’t stolen the Blacks land and made the Blacks “tenants”–of their own home– in the first place. Why doesn’t your thought process operate as a normal sane individual regarding these situations?” – Joseph Wright (praising dictator and self-proclaimed black “Hitler” Robert Mugabe’s mass murder and ethnic cleansing of innocent white Zimbabweans in recent years)

            “Please. Mugabe is simply taking back the country that was stolen from Black Africans by Whites…..All Mugabe was doing is putting out the trash.” – Joseph Wright

            “Whites love to take over and steal other people’s lands, don’t they. And you’re vilifying a man for getting them out?” – Joseph Wright

            “White safeties like Cliff Harris, Larry Wilson, and Charlie Waters WERE garbage in the ’70s and beyond.” – Joseph Wright

            “Harris was a White man and, when it came time to defend Lynn Swann, he couldn’t jump.” – Joseph Wright

            “You White folks seem to change the meaning all the time.” – Joseph Wright

            “Perhaps the “poor, victimized White folks” in Haiti would not have been slaughtered by the Blacks if they hadn’t purchased/kidnapped them and made them slaves in the first place. Why is that never considered by you? Huh? Answer THAT question.” – Joseph Wright (defending the 1804 massacre of the white population by the new regime following the Haitian slave revolt; an estimated 3-5,000 white men, women, and children were killed, including some white residents who had supported the anti-slavery cause, with the women often being raped before they were killed)

            “With all this White racist propaganda that you post echoing the theme “Blacks were already slaves all over Africa,” – Joseph Wright (dismissing articles by both black historical scholar Henry Louis Gates, Obama’s professor friend of “beer summit” fame, and the Encyclopedia Britannica as “white racist propaganda”)

            “The French (who were White by the way–does anyone who isn’t White detect a trend here?) stole it” – Joseph Wright (even addressing his condemnation of whites to “anyone who isn’t White”)

            “Whites like you have a far worse track record of inhumanity to non-Whites.” – Joseph Wright (judging people by the color of their skin rather than the content of their character)

            “the Whites of Haiti, Zimbabwe, and the Confederacy simply reaped what they (and their benefitting descendants) sewed.” – Joseph Wright

            “Another case of White folks trying to steal something that wasn’t theirs” – Joseph Wright (his characterization of the US war effort and sacrifice against communists in the Vietnam War)

            “”White people are my enemy.” That statement by Ali is nowhere near to close to showing he is a racist or bigot” – Joseph Wright (defending Muhammad Ali’s bigoted Nation of Islam phase that even Ali disowned years later)

            “The first part is a no-win answer best expressed by Ali: “I being persecuted by White people for saying I don’t want to be with a White woman. Chubby Checker is catching hell from Whites for marrying one!” I’ll make a deal with you, Razzie. Show me a picture of you and your Black wife, then I’ll go further. Deal?” – Joseph Wright (defending the NOI’s opposition to interracial marriage)

            “BTW, whenever I see a Black woman with a White guy, I say, “Oh well. Her loss.” – Joseph Wright

            “Name one White has ever publicly called another White in the NFL out for being a racist. It doesn’t happen. It’s covered up.” – Joseph Wright (explaining that he refuses to even ask Rick Gosselin, Clark Judge, and Ron Borges, who all know Paul Zimmerman, for their opinion about his claim that Zimmerman is “racist” because they’re white and he assumes they’ll all lie to protect a fellow white)

            “Ali said, “I don’t hate nobody and I ain’t lynched nobody. We Muslims don’t hate the White man. It’s like we don’t hate a tiger. But we know that a tiger’s nature is not compatible with people’s nature since they love to eat people. So we don’t want to live with tigers. It’s the same with the White man. The White race attacks Black people. They don’t ask what’s your religion, what’s your belief? They just start whupping heads.” That’s not racism. That’s common since fostered by survival instinct.” – Joseph Wright (defending Ali’s support for racial separation due to whites’ alleged inherent “nature” during his bigoted NOI phase; the statement was in accordance with NOI doctrine that whites are subhuman “devils” created by an evil ancient scientist, the biblical Jacob, more commonly known as the father of the Israelites and today’s Jews; Nation of Islam leaders routinely refer to Jews as “Satanic”)

            “Two, as long as White racists behave toward Blacks as they have been (behaving racistly, violently, discriminatinatory) why would any Black individual want to stay amongst people that are mistreating them?” – Joseph Wright (conflating white people with “racists” in a rationale for racial separatism; as he unwittingly helps prove, racial bigotry comes in all colors)

            I’ve kicked your ass so thoroughly that in your panicked meltdown you’re resorting to making up quotes from me again, little Joey (along with some lame, out of context snippets from Jefferson wrapped in loads of speculation that avoid the concrete fact that he ended the international slave trade and penned the influential words “all men are created equal”; that alone vastly more than the evil Malcolm X ever did for humanity; simply being famous is hardly a great “accomplishment”, moron) . By contrast all the above statements were really made by you here as anyone can verify.

          • Joseph Wright
            January 11, 2018

            “…you’re resorting to making up quotes from me again.”–Rasputin

            Again? Laura Bush crashing into and killing a classmate because she ran a red light and you said, “Those things happen.” You then said SHE “overcame” the tragedy.

            You labeled the deaths of innocent Blacks at the hands of rogue cops “drops in a bucket.” You have justified slavery all throughout this site.

            Then the stupidest thing of all. You say “Malcolm X was an evil man,” then hold up as a contrast a well-documented slave owner. You can never hold up a United States slave owner to prove he was less evil than a man who has executed or commanded no evil (no murders, tortures, rapes, or slave ownership). It is an impossibility that your immense ignorance fails to comprehend.

            I just love the way the Jefferson apologists actually corruptly suppressed and omitted clear documentation of Jefferson’s evil as a slave owner to try to keep his image clean.

            Oh, we’re just getting started on ol’ Tommie Boy. Scumbag White racist slave owner that he was–that Cookie Gilchrist called out decades ago.

          • Rasputin
            January 12, 2018

            Joseph Wright, you praised the mass murder of innocent people because of the color of their skin here, you raging bigot. You did. Are you really too stupid to grasp that your own bigoted comments are vastly more pertinent to our discussion than your uninformed opinion about this or that historical figure?

            That said, since you keep bringing up Cookie Gilchrist, do you think he would share your approval for Mugabe’s ethnic cleansing of whites?

          • Joseph Wright
            January 12, 2018

            No, no, no. I knew I floored your sorry, ignorant ass when you didn’t reply for five days. Alright “history guy (“I’m the history guy remember?”–Rasutin–LOL!!!).” After all, I’m “only” a certified History Teacher. You must answer to and explain these documentations of that White racist Thomas Jefferson’s racist, bigoted, greedy, hypocritical, misogynistic, and evil behavior. For example, explain this if you are not a coward (the readers are waiting):

            “Jefferson’s 4 percent (i.e., Black slaves equal four percent profit for slave owners) theorem threatens the comforting notion that he had no real awareness of what he was doing, that he was “stuck” with or “trapped” in slavery, an obsolete, unprofitable, burdensome legacy. The date of Jefferson’s calculation aligns with the waning of his emancipationist fervor. Jefferson began to back away from antislavery just around the time he computed the silent profit of the “peculiar institution.”
            And this world was crueler than we have been led to believe. A letter has recently come to light describing how Monticello’s young black boys, “the small ones,” age 10, 11 or 12, were whipped to get them to work in Jefferson’s nail factory, whose profits paid the mansion’s grocery bills. This passage about children being lashed had been suppressed—deliberately deleted from the published record in the 1953 edition of Jefferson’s Farm Book, containing 500 pages of plantation papers. That edition of the Farm Book still serves as a standard reference for research into the way Monticello worked.”

            Basically, Jefferson was too much of a greedy, hedonistic scumbag to end slavery. All his “anti-slavery sentiments” were lip service. He enforced lashings, he raped his women and kept his slaves in bondage until he died. Thomas Jefferson was the evil man, not Malcolm X.

            Here is one true look into ol’ Tommie’s character:

            “Jefferson noted curtly in a letter to Randolph that another overseer had already delivered his tobacco to the Richmond market, “where I hope George’s will soon join it.” Randolph reported back that Granger’s people had not even packed the tobacco yet, but gently urged his father-in-law to have patience with the foreman: “He is not careless…tho’ he procrastinates too much.” It seems that Randolph was trying to protect Granger from Jefferson’s wrath. George was not procrastinating; he was struggling against a (Black slave) workforce that resisted him. But he would not beat them, and they knew it.
            At length, Randolph had to admit the truth to Jefferson. Granger, he wrote, “cannot command his force.” The only recourse was the whip. Randolph reported “instances of disobedience so gross that I am obliged to interfere and have them punished myself.” Randolph would not have administered the whip personally; they had professionals for that.

            Most likely he called in William Page, the white overseer who ran Jefferson’s farms across the river, a man notorious for his cruelty. Throughout Jefferson’s plantation records there runs a thread of indicators—some direct, some oblique, some euphemistic—that the Monticello machine operated on carefully calibrated brutality. Some slaves would never readily submit to bondage. Some, Jefferson wrote, “require a vigour of discipline to make them do reasonable work.” That plain statement of his policy has been largely ignored in preference to Jefferson’s well-known self-exoneration: “I love industry and abhor severity.” Jefferson made that reassuring remark to a neighbor, but he might as well have been talking to himself. He hated conflict, disliked having to punish people and found ways to distance himself from the violence his system required.

            Thus he went on record with a denunciation of overseers as “the most abject, degraded and unprincipled race,” men of “pride, insolence and spirit of domination.” Though he despised these brutes, they were hardhanded men who got things done and had no misgivings. He hired them, issuing orders to impose a vigor of discipline.

            It was during the 1950s, when historian Edwin Betts was editing one of Colonel Randolph’s plantation reports for Jefferson’s Farm Book, that he confronted a taboo subject and made his fateful deletion. Randolph reported to Jefferson that the nailery was functioning very well because “the small ones” were being whipped. The youngsters did not take willingly to being forced to show up in the icy midwinter hour before dawn at the master’s nail forge. And so the overseer, Gabriel Lilly, was whipping them “for truancy.”
            Betts decided that the image of children being beaten at Monticello had to be suppressed, omitting this document from his edition. He had an entirely different image in his head; the introduction to the book declared, “Jefferson came close to creating on his own plantations the ideal rural community.” Betts couldn’t do anything about the original letter, but no one would see it, tucked away in the archives of the Massachusetts Historical Society. The full text did not emerge in print until 2005.”

            And, Razzie, this gem from the Virginia abolitionist Moncure Conway, noting Jefferson’s enduring reputation as a would-be emancipator, remarked scornfully, “Never did a man achieve more fame for what he did not do.”

            As for the whole “Whites did a lot to help end slavery” remark…It’s not like there was a substantial amount of non-Whites in the U.S. government to help accomplish this and Blacks didn’t have the right to vote. Who else was going to enforce legislation to free them, numbskull?

            Malcolm X (who co-authored his autobiography with Alex Haley; The book is now required college reading throughout the world; another accomplishment of Malcolm’s that you suppress and never acknowledge) was not an evil man, Jefferson was a scumbag, and the Whites of Haiti, Zimbabwe, and the Confederacy simply reaped what they (and their benefitting descendants) sewed.

            “You’re the type of person who would steal a person’s eyeballs and then tell them they look better.”–Me

            What other conclusion can you come to on a person who:

            1) Condones and justifies Whites participation in slavery every time. EVERY time.

            2) Gives Laura Bush a complete pass on killing a classmate after she ran a stop sign with the stupid explanation, “Those things happen.” (Then adds that SHE overcame this tragedy.SMH. What about the classmate? Or his family? Misplaced prioties)

            3) Refers to the deaths of innocent Blacks at the hands of White cops as, “Drops in a bucket.”

            4) Inaccurately characterizes the eyewitness accounts of Coretta Scott King, Myrlie Evers, Julian Bond, and Spencer Haywood on Southern Whites celebrating the news of President Kennedy’s assassination as “second-hand” and “probably BS.”

            So Jefferson didn’t want a Civil War? Lincoln went forward with it and Blacks were no longer slaves and slavery was ended. The Southern Whites who practiced and embraced slavery were slaughtered. Yeah, big loss. God doesn’t like ugly and sometimes the punishments can be severe and extreme. The ends justified the means. David slewed Goliath, didn’t he? Obama got rid of Bin Laden, right?

            Cookie Gilchrist and Malcolm X had many things in common. Many things that, apparently, would disgust you. Among others: They called out Jefferson and George Washington on their slave ownership (so did the World Book Encyclopedia) and were admirers of John Brown.

            Malcolm X never owned slaves, never enforced savage beatings of children (because the children didn’t want to work in freezing before dawn temperatures), raped women, refused freedom of any oppressed people, sold and broke up families, and posed as a lip-service-for-freedom hypocrite.

            Cookie Gilchrist and Malcolm X called ol’ Tommie out on all this. Are you going to justify ALL this evil that Jefferson did, you redneck coward? We are waiting.

            Read more: https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/the-dark-side-of-thomas-jefferson-35976004/#ss8K80TUeDloo9kO.99

          • Joseph Wright
            January 13, 2018

            They were not “innocent.” They were feasting off the benefits of their ancestors thievery. God doesn’t like ugly and they were simply reaping what their ancestors sowed. God’s punishments can sometimes be severe and extreme. So be it.

            Now, back to the lesson at hand, one that Malcolm X (the “evil man,” ridiculous) and Cookie Gilchrist called out years ago. Explain this act of Thomas Jefferson:

          • Joseph Wright
            January 13, 2018

            These people were hardly “innocent.” they were feasting on the thievery of their ancestors’ heist. They were reaping what their ancestors sowed. God’s punishments can be severe and extreme. So be it.

            Now, back to the lesson at hand, one that Cookie Gilchrist and Malcolm X (the “evil man,” ridiculous) were speaking out about decades ago:

            In 1817, Jefferson’s old friend, the Revolutionary War hero Thaddeus Kos­ciuszko, died in Switzerland. The Polish nobleman, who had arrived from Europe in 1776 to aid the Americans, left a substantial fortune to Jefferson. Kosciuszko bequeathed funds to free Jefferson’s slaves and purchase land and farming equipment for them to begin a life on their own. In the spring of 1819, Jefferson pondered what to do with the legacy. Kosciuszko had made him executor of the will, so Jefferson had a legal duty, as well as a personal obligation to his deceased friend, to carry out the terms of the document.

            The terms came as no surprise to Jefferson. He had helped Kosciuszko draft the will, which states, “I hereby authorize my friend, Thomas Jefferson, to employ the whole [bequest] in purchasing Negroes from his own or any others and giving them liberty in my name.” Kosciuszko’s estate was nearly $20,000, the equivalent today of roughly $280,000. But Jefferson refused the gift, even though it would have reduced the debt hanging over Monticello, while also relieving him, in part at least, of what he himself had described in 1814 as the “moral reproach” of slavery.

            If Jefferson had accepted the legacy, as much as half of it would have gone not to Jefferson but, in effect, to his slaves—to the purchase price for land, livestock, equipment and transportation to establish them in a place such as Illinois or Ohio. Moreover, the slaves most suited for immediate emancipation—smiths, coopers, carpenters, the most skilled farmers—were the very ones whom Jefferson most valued. He also shrank from any public identification with the cause of emancipation.

            It had long been accepted that slaves were assets that could be seized for debt, but Jefferson turned this around when he used slaves as collateral for a very large loan he had taken out in 1796 from a Dutch banking house in order to rebuild Monticello. He pioneered the monetizing of slaves, just as he pioneered the industrialization and diversification of slavery.

            Before his refusal of Kosciuszko’s legacy, as Jefferson mulled over whether to accept the bequest, he had written to one of his plantation managers: “A child raised every 2. years is of more profit then the crop of the best laboring man. in this, as in all other cases, providence has made our duties and our interests coincide perfectly…. [W]ith respect therefore to our women & their children I must pray you to inculcate upon the overseers that it is not their labor, but their increase which is the first consideration with us.”

            So, Razzie, instead of accepting the legacy, Jefferson chose to keep his slaves in bondage. Largely because Jefferson could keep making money off of them. Bible: “For the love of money is the root of all EVIL.” Malcolm X never enslaved anyone, denied anyone of their freedom, enforced beatings, nor did he rape anyone. All Jefferson’s anti-slavery talk was just lip service. He was a hypocrite.

            Read more: https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/the-dark-side-of-thomas-jefferson-35976004/#TkmHXOzzC3MwvwHZ.99

          • Rasputin
            January 13, 2018

            In all that diversionary garbage you posted you never did answer the question: Would Cookie Gilchrist have joined you in applauding white genocide, Joey? Stop your desperate squirming for a minute and answer “yes” or “no”, you cowardly, bigoted, moron.

            PS – And no, moron. I didn’t receive an email notification last time. I only responded when I did because I checked this page directly a few days later and happened to notice you had posted. You’re copy pasting some wannabe edgy opinion piece (it admits its own avant-garde, revisionist status) on Jefferson that I couldn’t care less about. Forget speculative cherry-picking and slanted characterizations (what your source does). I already posted Jefferson’s own words and the FACT that he ended the import of slaves in both Virginia and the US. As for the evil Malcolm X, simply having your book read isn’t a “great” contribution to humanity. Hitler’s Mein Kampf is read and studied too because of its negative impact on history. That doesn’t make him “great”. Plus you’re still just repeating a lot of other crap I’ve already debunked. That’s boring. You know absolutely nothing about history or any other topic, you lack critical thinking ability, you’re a raging hypocrite, and I’ve kicked your ignorant ass all over this site. Have a nice day.

          • Joseph Wright
            January 13, 2018

            You whole “white genocide” nonsense is diversionary garbage, numbskull. God said you reap what you sow. Why don’t you ask Him why those Whites, who were enjoying life on land their ancestors’ stole from Blacks, were killed. Once again, God’s punishments can be severe and extreme. So be it.

            These passages on Jefferson are not “edgy opinion piece(s).” They are facts. Just for your information, because you never read anything written by a diverse set of Black people, “The Autobiography of Malcolm X” is about a man’s personal evolution. And there were no corrupt omissions or suppression of his misdeeds.

            “Hitler’s Mein Kampf is read and studied too because of its negative impact on history.”–Rasputin. Totally ignorant statement and a false comparison.

            X’s autobiography had no “negative impact of history,” nor did he order the killings of millions of people. Lamely just comparing people who call out racists (like you and Jefferson) and racism to Hitler (Malcolm X; Muhammad Ali; me) is truly a sign of weakness and desperation.

            Once again, could you explain these following evil elements and foundations of ol’ slave master Thomas Jefferson’s life? They are as follows:

            “Jefferson’s 4 percent theorem threatens the comforting notion that he had no real awareness of what he was doing, that he was “stuck” with or “trapped” in slavery, an obsolete, unprofitable, burdensome legacy. The date of Jefferson’s calculation aligns with the waning of his emancipationist fervor. Jefferson began to back away from antislavery just around the time he computed the silent profit of the “peculiar institution.”

            And this world was crueler than we have been led to believe. A letter has recently come to light describing how Monticello’s young black boys, “the small ones,” age 10, 11 or 12, were whipped to get them to work in Jefferson’s nail factory, whose profits paid the mansion’s grocery bills. This passage about children being lashed had been suppressed—deliberately deleted from the published record in the 1953 edition of Jefferson’s Farm Book, containing 500 pages of plantation papers. That edition of the Farm Book still serves as a standard reference for research into the way Monticello worked.”

            https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/the-dark-side-of-thomas-jefferson-35976004/?=&=&=&preview=&page=3

            So Jefferson backed off on his antislavery rhetoric (he really didn’t mean it, anyway) when he saw how much money his slaves were worth as property, huh, redneck? Bible: For the love of money (i.e., greed) is the root of all evil. Did Malcolm X ever own slaves or put anyone in bondage for the purpose of commerce and exploitation? The fact of the matter is, X moved away from racism after his pilgrimage to Mecca, embracing humanity of all colors. Ol’ Tommie Boy tightened his embrace of racism (bigotry/slavery) after he saw the financial rewards (“For the love of money is the root of all evil”) it was producing for him. Explain why Jefferson is not evil for this.

            Additionally, Jefferson enforced beatings of young boys. And because, in addition to them being slaves–his PROPERTY (evil, disgusting), they were reluctant to work before dawn in the winter in freezing temperatures. Explain why Jefferson is not evil for this. When did Malcolm X enforce the beatings of children for not being early to work in the dead of winter before dawn?

            Oh, there will be more explaining for you to do, Thomas Jefferson slavery apologist.

            Cookie and Malcolm were on Jefferson’s case (as well as all the other slave-owning U.S. presidents’) decades ago.

            We’re waiting for the answers as to why Thomas Jefferson was so evil, Razzie.

          • Rasputin
            January 13, 2018

            You dodged the question AGAIN, you cowardly, bigoted, moron. Since you keep bringing up Gilchrist and what he would supposedly say about this or that, would he approve of your support for white genocide? “Yes” or “no”, little Joey.

            The rest of your post was panicked, diversionary garbage I’ve already debunked, but I’ll respond to this:

            “You whole “white genocide” nonsense is diversionary garbage, numbskull. God said you reap what you sow. Why don’t you ask Him why those Whites, who were enjoying life on land their ancestors’ stole from Blacks, were killed. Once again, God’s punishments can be severe and extreme. So be it.”

            Does that mean blacks have gotten what they deserve too, or are you a raging hypocrite who only says stuff like that about whites? Since you’re making sweeping racial judgments and saying people get what they deserve (even because of their ancestors’ alleged sins), would you say that whites have received more or less punishment than blacks or other groups?

            Speaking of your laughable hypocrisy, you also never answered the question about why you’re fine with Muhammad owning slaves but are so hung up on Thomas Jefferson for some reason. Do you feel it’s ok for non-whites to own slaves? Are only whites in history automatically “evil” if they owned slaves? If so, doesn’t such a stance say more about you and your prejudiced hangups than anyone else?

          • Joseph Wright
            January 13, 2018

            I have ducked nothing. You are the one who is scared to admit that Jefferson was an evil, racist hypocrite. The fact that you keep ducking the fact that an author and historian has completely dragged all the bones out of Jefferson’s closet is something you can’t handle. LMFAO!!!

            “Does that mean blacks have gotten what they deserve too, or are you a raging hypocrite who only says stuff like that about whites?” Your false comparisons are enormous.

            Did Blacks ever steal land from Whites? (No, Haiti doesn’t apply. Especially after the Whites stole the Blacks or their ancestors from Africa). The Blacks in America were “innocent.” It wasn’t like they did something evil to Whites…right?

            “…you’re fine with Muhammad owning slaves but are so hung up on Thomas Jefferson for some reason.”–Words of a dummy.

            Muhammad was not documented as a slave owner in the World Book Encyclopedia other non-Islamic books chronicling his life. Muhammad is simply a diversionary tactic of an unglued, cowardly redneck (We never talked about Muhammad, now your obsessed with him and his alleged slavery. You even have your own Koran, no doubt with that poster of Warren Moon. GTFOH!) I’m “so hung up on Jefferson?” YOU brought his racist ass up, idiot. Holding him as a more favorable human being to Malcolm X, who you termed “evil.” What a dumbass move that was. You really screwed yourself on that one. Now you know how Sally Hemings felt. School’s in session: Never hold up a 17th, 18th, 19th Century U.S. slave owner as a comparison to someone else (who has never murdered, stolen, tortured, kidnapped, or raped someone) when making allegations of evil. You are really a hopeless, ignorant…How far did you go in school?

            We are still waiting for you to explain why these Jefferson acts and enforcements were not evil:

            “Jefferson’s 4 percent theorem threatens the comforting notion that he had no real awareness of what he was doing, that he was “stuck” with or “trapped” in slavery, an obsolete, unprofitable, burdensome legacy. The date of Jefferson’s calculation aligns with the waning of his emancipationist fervor. Jefferson began to back away from antislavery just around the time he computed the silent profit of the “peculiar institution.”

            And this world was crueler than we have been led to believe. A letter has recently come to light describing how Monticello’s young black boys, “the small ones,” age 10, 11 or 12, were whipped to get them to work in Jefferson’s nail factory, whose profits paid the mansion’s grocery bills. This passage about children being lashed had been suppressed—deliberately deleted from the published record in the 1953 edition of Jefferson’s Farm Book, containing 500 pages of plantation papers. That edition of the Farm Book still serves as a standard reference for research into the way Monticello worked.”

            https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/the-dark-side-of-thomas-jefferson-35976004/?=&=&=&preview=&page=3

            So Jefferson backed off on his antislavery rhetoric (he really didn’t mean it, anyway) when he saw how much money his slaves were worth as property, huh, redneck? Bible: For the love of money (i.e., greed) is the root of all evil. Did Malcolm X ever own slaves or put anyone in bondage for the purpose of commerce and exploitation? The fact of the matter is, X moved away from racism after his pilgrimage to Mecca, embracing humanity of all colors. Ol’ Tommie Boy tightened his embrace of racism (bigotry/slavery) after he saw the financial rewards (“For the love of money is the root of all evil”) it was producing for him. Explain why Jefferson is not evil for this.

            Additionally, Jefferson enforced beatings of young boys. And because, in addition to them being slaves–his PROPERTY (evil, disgusting), they were reluctant to work before dawn in the winter in freezing temperatures. Explain why Jefferson is not evil for this. When did Malcolm X enforce the beatings of children for not being early to work in the dead of winter before dawn?

            You have debunked nothing on the subject of Jefferson’s evil involvement and embracing of slavery, Cookie Gilchrist, Malcolm X (who was a much better human being than Jefferson), and insightful historians have written about this for decades.

            More to come on Jefferson. Much more.

          • Rasputin
            January 13, 2018

            LOL! We’re talking about YOU, little Joey, you cowardly, bigoted, moron, not Thomas Jefferson. You’re as ignorant on Jefferson as you’ve proved to be on every other diversionary historical topic I’ve kicked your ass on. I’m not even reading that off topic crap you keep repeating. I just skim to see if you’re still dodging the pertinent topics. You sure as hell haven’t addressed most of what I’ve posted. Man up just long enough to say whether you think Gilchrist would have agreed with your approving stance on white genocide or not.

            “Muhammad was not documented as a slave owner in the World Book Encyclopedia other non-Islamic books chronicling his life.”

            LOL! I haven’t read the World Book Encyclopedia, which is for kids, in a long time and don’t know what it says, but you’ve quoted NOTHING from it while I quoted extensively from articles in Encyclopedia Britannica (A source you mentioned first! But you failed to quote it and instead vaguely lied about it supporting your claim), the BBC, and the Huffington Post all discussing the well established, undisputed, undeniable fact that Muhammad owned, captured, sold, bought, and had sex with slaves.

            Even better, I quoted ISLAMIC SOURCES, including the Koran and hadiths themselves, explicitly talking about his slaves and his stance on them and sex. Why are you trying to avoid Islamic sources, you idiot?

            You were clearly ignorant before but that’s no excuse now. I’ve educated you. It was fun crushing you with that sledgehammer.

            “Muhammad is simply a diversionary tactic of an unglued,”

            Says the halfwit desperately crying about Thomas Jefferson through most of his posts, LMFAO. I brought up Muhammad to prove your hypocrisy when you spent several posts falsely saying I was “Muslim bashing” (another diversion) while claiming Jefferson and anyone else in history who owned slaves was automatically evil. And I had tangentially mentioned Jefferson to contrast MLK’s broad mindedness (in praising Jefferson despite the imperfections) with your simple mindedness, you idiot, not to compare him with Malcolm X. Your reading comprehension sucks so bad you can’t even get that right. That said, the evil dimwit Malcolm X wasn’t in Jefferson’s league in the greatness department, as I’ve already proven many times over, your pathetic, ongoing twitching on the ground notwithstanding. You’re squirming like a worm.

            “Did Blacks ever steal land from Whites? (No, Haiti doesn’t apply. Especially after the Whites stole the Blacks or their ancestors from Africa). The Blacks in America were “innocent.” It wasn’t like they did something evil to Whites…right? ”

            Actually they obviously have, but why do you assume the evil acts would have to be against whites? You just spent paragraphs claiming people are rightly punished for what their ancestors allegedly did, and even went further to say that God was punishing whites for their alleged sins against blacks.

            Well in recent centuries at least whites have had it better than other races while blacks have had it worse than anyone. By your own logic it’s possible that blacks were being punished by slavery and segregation for the sins of their ancestors, isn’t it? Maybe something to do with black Africans starting slavery many centuries ago, along with practices like human sacrifice, cannibalism, and other wicked acts. Perhaps Western elements were just one of the instruments of that punishment (along with famine, disease, and other afflictions still roiling Africa).

            In fact by your logic that’s LIKELY what happened, since your position holds that bad things happening to people is a sign of God’s judgment. “God’s punishments can be severe and extreme”, you said.

            It’s amazing how you trip over your own insipid arguments and faceplant on EVERY issue.

          • Joseph Wright
            January 16, 2018

            “… even went further to say that God was punishing whites for their alleged sins against blacks.”–Rasputin.

            What an idiot you are. So Whites “allegedly” practiced slavery in the U.S. and Haiti, Whites allegedly enforced Jim Crow, Whites allegedly stole land from Zimbabwe (among numerous others), Whites allegedly lynched Blacks, Whites allegedly hated Dr. King and Malcolm X, Whites allegedly murdered four little girls in a Birmingham, AL church bombing, Whites allegedly murdered Emmitt Till, Medgar Evers, Dr. King, Whites allegedly etc., etc., etc… Do you not see a trend here, redneck?

            King did not admire Jefferson one bit. He was focusing on the words of the Declaration of Independence. He was pointing out the hypocrisy of the U.S. not living up to the LETTER of the DOI. Of course, as many people know, the SPIRIT of Jefferson’s “all men are created equal” verse was actually “all White men are created equal.” You do understand “Letter of the law vs Spirit of the law,” numbskull. They do teach it in Univer…Oh, that’s right. You didn’t go to college.

            The fact of the matter is, Jefferson saw what happened in Haiti. The Whites over there kept importing more and more Blacks to the point that the Whites were outnumbered and, ultimately, were kicked off the island by the Blacks (Yeah, Razzie. Those Blacks were such “evil people.” How dare they eliminate the White people who kept them as slaves, for shame. SMH). Jefferson didn’t want the Black population to overtake the White population in the South. THAT’S why he initiated the stop of transporting slaves from Africa to America. It was not because he was a kind-hearted man towards Blacks.

            If you want to talk about innocent Whites being ruthlessly murdered (After all, bad things can happen to good people. People who have harmed no one AND are not benefiting from the harm imposed by their ancestors) speak about those in Columbine, or the bombing victims in Oklahoma, or those casualties in the Twin Towers on 9/11. The political assassinations of Abraham Lincoln, John and Robert F. Kennedy would also apply.

            But lamenting the deaths of the Confederates and White Southerners of the Civil War era, those in Zimbabwe, or those in Haiti, not to mention Whites in Vietnam or the Whites killed and defeated in Mexico (Cinco de Mayo–Viva La Raza! What a great day that was!) is misplaced sympathy and twisted priorities. I love the overall narrative of your responses (“Those poor, oppressed, innocent White people…They were just minding their business, living their lives…It was terrible what happened to them…”) you bigoted liar. You claimed, “I am against racial double-standards.”

            Your diversionary attempts are childish and girl-like. I feel like I’m reading something from Lindsay Lohan: “She smoked weed (actually, it’s legal in CA now but I digress) , too! See, I’m not the only one!” Focus on yourself and White racists like you. This is not about Muhammad (alleged slave owner; too many conflicting accounts; his life reads like David or Solomon in my opinion) or Zimbabwe (the casualties reaped the consequences of what their ancestors sowed). You held up Thomas Jefferson as a greater man than Malcolm X, who you branded (A White man branding a Black man–whoever heard of such a thing?) as “an evil man.” Jefferson owned slaves, raped women of this population, enforced the beatings of young children of this population, and refused to free them because they were making money for him. And the few that he eventually freed, he kept their families (spouse and children) as property and then sold them off as separate entities. All Jefferson’s “anti-slavery” proclamations were empty, hypocritical lip service.

            Once again, Dunce Boy, school’s in session: Never hold up a 17th, 18th, 19th Century U.S. slave owner as a comparison to someone else (who has never murdered, stolen, tortured, kidnapped, or raped someone) when making allegations of evil. We are still waiting for you to explain why these Jefferson acts and enforcements were not evil.

            Thank God for Cookie Gilchrist, Malcolm X, and Henry Wiencek for calling out Jefferson on his evil, racist, hypocritcal, slave-owning actions.

            Read more: https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/the-dark-side-of-thomas-jefferson-35976004/#TkmHXOzzC3MwvwHZ.99

          • Rasputin
            January 16, 2018

            Joseph Wright Hall of Shame
            (Atrocity/Mugabe/Genocide Exhibit)

            “Mugabe is simply taking back the country that was stolen from Black Africans by Whites…..All Mugabe was doing is putting out the trash.” – Joseph Wright

            “And…Perhaps the “poor, victimized White folks” in Zimbabwe would not have been slaughtered by Robert Mugabe if their ancestors hadn’t stolen the Blacks land and made the Blacks “tenants”–of their own home– in the first place. Why doesn’t your thought process operate as a normal sane individual regarding these situations?” – Joseph Wright (praising dictator and self-proclaimed black “Hitler” Robert Mugabe’s mass murder and ethnic cleansing of innocent white Zimbabweans in recent years)

            “Whites love to take over and steal other people’s lands, don’t they. And you’re vilifying a man for getting them out?” – Joseph Wright

            “’Your hero Robert Mugabe…’ Not my hero. However, I do respect him taking back the country from the descendants of thieves.” – Joseph Wright

            “These people were hardly “innocent.” they were feasting on the thievery of their ancestors’ heist. They were reaping what their ancestors sowed. God’s punishments can be severe and extreme. So be it.” – Joseph Wright

            “Perhaps the “poor, victimized White folks” in Haiti would not have been slaughtered by the Blacks if they hadn’t purchased/kidnapped them and made them slaves in the first place. Why is that never considered by you? Huh? Answer THAT question.” – Joseph Wright (defending the 1804 massacre of the white population by the new regime following the Haitian slave revolt; an estimated 3-5,000 white men, women, and children were killed as a matter of explicit policy, including some white residents who had supported the anti-slavery cause, with the women often being raped before they were killed) – Joseph Wright

            “the Whites of Haiti, Zimbabwe, and the Confederacy simply reaped what they (and their benefitting descendants) sewed.” – Joseph Wright

            “lamenting the deaths of the Confederates and White Southerners of the Civil War era, those in Zimbabwe, or those in Haiti, not to mention Whites in Vietnam or the Whites killed and defeated in Mexico (Cinco de Mayo–Viva La Raza! What a great day that was!) is misplaced sympathy and twisted priorities.” – Joseph Wright

            Of course like the cowardly, bigoted moron you are, little Joey, you never did answer my question about whether Gilchrist would agree with your above comments (since you love presuming to speak for him), produce a single example of these alleged “conflicting accounts” disputing the well documented, undisputed fact that Muhammad owned slaves (rendering you a hypocritical “Muslim basher” given your absurd position that every slave owner is automatically evil), or answer whether your position that it’s morally OK to murder and rob whites because of alleged sins by some of their ancestors also applies to blacks and other non-whites (since everyone’s ancestors have committed sins). Instead you just repeated a bunch of lies and idiocy I’ve already debunked.

          • Joseph Wright
            January 16, 2018

            Not one word about your hypocritical, racist, bigoted, slave-owning, scumbag hero Thomas Jefferson, huh, redneck?

            This is not about Zimbabwe (God’s will simply being played out: See Gelations 6:7) or Muhammad (World Book Encyclopedia, Islam for Dummies, and Muhammad of Mecca: Prophet of Islam dispute the “slavery” allegations of xenophobic Muslim-bashers like you. Always trying to take the focus off of one of your exposed Southern White racist buddies, huh, skinhead?). It’s about your ridiculous exaltation of a racist, slave owning, hypocritical rapist.

            Why did Jefferson have those young slave boys savagely beaten?
            Why did Jefferson chose to rape one of his slaves to cheat on his wife? Why did that slave have to be Jefferson’s wife’s half-sister?
            Why did Jefferson, who claimed to be antislavery, keep his slaves that he inherited?
            Why did Jefferson refuse to take the legacy (inheritance) from his deceased friend, Thaddeus Kos­ciuszko, that would have financially benefitted and freed his slaves?

            What are your twisted, corrupt answers to these questions?

            Readers, just so you won’t be totally astonished by Razzie’s ignorance, racism and bigotry, check THESE out that follow:

            “Laura Bush. Ran a stop sign and killed a schoolmate. Never charged. Classy lady?”–Me

            “A tragic accident when she was kid. Those things happen. Yes, she showed great strength in overcoming that…”–Rasputin

            Those things happen. THOSE things happen. No, nitwit. Spilling milk, misplacing your keys, tripping over a crack in the sidewalk on your morning jog, forgeting someone’s birthday. Those things happen. Killing someone because you ran a stop sign is not an event that happens in the majority of people’s lives. And then, you reached greater depths of ignorance by saying that Laura Bush “overcame” this. What about the individual she killed or HIS family? What about THEIR overcoming, stupid?

            “(Michelle Obama Let’s Move campaign)…literally taking away what little joy most kids get during the long, dreary school day.”–Rasputin

            Don’t relive the failed, grade-repeating days of your youth by blaming First Lady Michelle Obama. Recess, lunchtime, P.E, interacting with friends, checking out attractive members of the opposite sex (students or teachers)…Oh, yeah, Dunce boy. School is a really dreary experience. What was the problem, redneck? Where you the only 18-year-old still in ninth grade?

            “The reason we even automatically see slavery as evil is BECAUSE of Jefferson and the libertarian egalitarian philosophy he espoused and embedded into the nation’s roots.”–Rasputin.

            Sooooooo…Blacks on Southern plantations all of a sudden “realized” slavery was evil? Because of JEFFERSON? What an ignorant, redneck morom. SMH.

            Malcolm and Cookie Gilchrist warned us all (Black; White; and all in between) about White racist rednecks like you.

            Back to the trailer park, redneck.

          • Rasputin
            January 17, 2018

            I’ve got numerous quotes of you praising and calling for white genocide in Zimbabwe and elsewhere, Joseph Wright, and the best retort you can come up with is to quote me calling Laura Bush’s tragic car accident as a kid a “tragic accident” (as if I was supposed to call it “murder” or something). That’s awesome. Oh, and you lied again about Muhammad and slavery (among other things), claiming you’ve got sources denying he owned slaves (the World Book Encyclopedia for kids and Islam for Dummies, LOL! Great alleged sources you’re using, moron). No they don’t. If they did you would have quoted what they say by now and you haven’t. Even if they did they’d be wrong, as the many, way more authoritative sources I’ve cited prove, along with the verses I’ve quoted from the Koran and hadiths themselves. You first tried to claim Encyclopedia Britannica denied Muhammad enslaved anyone until I quoted it saying the opposite in my next post. Then you stopped talking about Britannica and switched to the kiddie World Book, LMFAO (I guess you’re hoping I don’t have access to it).

            We’ve firmly established you’re a racial bigot, a liar, a hypocrite, and a coward, little Joey. You’re also a semi-literate moron, as shown above. Documenting your stupidity would pretty much fill up this page, but here are a few salient examples of your drooling idiocy and colossal ignorance. Keep in mind this is just the tip of the iceberg:

            Joseph Wright Hall of Shame
            (Over the Top Stupid Exhibit; tip of the iceberg) (All quoted words SIC)

            “Jefferson was a scumbag. Doubled the size of the country, huh? By stealing land from Mexico.” – Joseph Wright (confusing the 1803 Louisiana Purchase from France with the 1840s US-Mexican War; Mexico wasn’t founded until 1821)

            “’…(D)oubled the USA’s size with one purchase as president…’ You mean stealing land from Mexico?” – Joseph Wright

            “Maybe Landry should have stuck with Craig Morton. Why go with Staubach, anyway?” – Joseph Wright

            “Your stupid argument that Whites would make up the majority of the U.S. workplace because they are the majority population doesn’t fly.” – Joseph Wright

            Rasputin: “Jews are an ETHNICITY as well as a religion”
            Joseph Wright: “Wrong. Semites are an ethnicity. Judaism, which terms its worshipers “Jewish,” is a religion.” (the self-proclaimed “history teacher” denying that the Jewish people exist as an ethnicity, “Semites” being a broader term that includes Arabs)

            “They are not an ethnicity, dumbass. Judaism (and being “Jewish”) is a religion.” – Joseph Wright (doubling down on a position that would surprise the huge number of secular Jews, the state of Israel, and educated people around the world)

            “your insistance that “Redskins” (unlike redneck) is not racially insensitive (BTW, the term is Native Americans, not American Indians–what an idiotic dipstick you are),” – Joseph Wright (actually an intertribal conference officially chose “American Indian” as the preferred ethnic designation a few decades ago, and polling shows it’s still the preferred name; polling has also consistently shown that 90% of American Indians aren’t offended by the Redskins’ team name and are more likely to take pride in it than offense)

            “Many were poor White trash like you” – Joseph Wright

            “Kaepernick’s stand is not about disrespecting the flag, disrespecting the military, or anti-American.” – Joseph Wright (Kaepernick explicitly said he was refusing to honor the “flag” and the “country”; he also dismissed the US flag as a “just a piece of cloth” and has praised anti-American communist dictators like Fidel Castro and convicted cop-killing black nationalist fugitives like former Black Panther Assata Shakur whose stated goal was to wage war against and topple the US government)

            “And what is wrong with the Nation of Islam, Malcolm X and the Black Panthers?” – Joseph Wright

            “No, I never condoned Malcolm X’s glee over the 120 Whites who died in the plane crash. However, it’s not like HE killed them. Like Hitler murdered millions of people.”- Joseph Wright

            “Slavery was plain wrong and Jefferson’s hands are saturated in the institution’s blood.” – Joseph Wright

            “Did Thomas Jefferson ever own slaves, rape women, have extramarital sex with his wife’s sister, or murder anyone? Whoever gets a “yes” or multiple “yesses” was an evil man.” – Joseph Wright

            “Muhammad never owned slaves or raped anyone.” – Joseph Wright

            “I am not ignorant like you to: 1. Comment on Muhammad when I don’t know much about him other than he was a prophet and creator of the religion of Islam” – Joseph Wright (it’s possible Wright is ignorant of the meaning of “ignorant”)

            “Descendants of thieves and pillagers (the Whites in Zimbabwe) still benefiting from the crimes of their ancestors are hardly ‘innocent.’” – Joseph Wright (commenting on dictator Robert Mugabe’s mass murder and ethnic cleansing of whites in recent years)

            “They were not “innocent.” They were feasting off the benefits of their ancestors thievery. God doesn’t like ugly and they were simply reaping what their ancestors sowed. God’s punishments can sometimes be severe and extreme. So be it.” – Joseph Wright

            “The majority of Blacks (like Kunta Kinte) were free people who were kidnapped and brought to the U.S. The servitude or incarceration–not “slavery,” as you term it–practiced in Africa was completely different than the slavery practiced by Whites in America….I justify servitude for debts and incarceration for criminal behavior, which was what Blacks were doing in Africa during the time Whites were feasting upon the Black citizens to be slaves.” – Joseph Wright

            “As for this crap about “90 percent of the African slaves brought to America were slaves from Africa,” where do you get this nonsense from? Keep in mind, a lot of the “information” on the internet is propaganda and lies packaged as academia” – Joseph Wright (said even after I had posted an article by liberal black history scholar and Obama friend Henry Louis Gates refuting everything he said about African slavery above, later reinforced by an extensive quote from Encyclopedia Britannica, stating that 90% of black slaves shipped across the Atlantic were enslaved by Africans, and detailing how both Islamic and black on black slavery were as bad or often worse than typical US slavery if anything, lasted for many more centuries, and were finally ended by Western powers in the 20th Century)

            “Slavery was not the fault of Blacks in Africa. It was engineered by Whites.” – Joseph Wright

            “With all this White racist propaganda that you post echoing the theme “Blacks were already slaves all over Africa,”–amazing how all this “research” came out AFTER Alex Haley came out with “Roots” and exposed the institution and exposed the Whites who practiced it” – Joseph Wright (describing articles by Gates and Encyclopedia Britannica as “White racist propaganda” and ignoring Gates’ observation that the role of black Africans in the slave trade used to be common knowledge, and in fact was the basis of Frederick Douglas’ argument that freed blacks would be better off staying in the US than leaving for Africa)

            “My take is simply that Courlander was mad that Haley got the TV Mini-Series, the riches and publicity and he didn’t. Pettiness by White people. How shocking.” – Joseph Wright (after I informed him that Alex Haley had been forced to pay out a large settlement to Courlander when it was discovered that significant parts of Roots had plagiarized a fictional novel; the presiding judge later said, “Alex Haley perpetrated a hoax on the public.” )

            “if the American Whites were good or even “better” than the African slave owners/traders they would have freed the Blacks they took from Africa–ALL of them. Not just a few exceptions.” – Joseph Wright (he apparently hasn’t yet gotten to the year 1865 in his historical studies)

            “No doubt Whites couldn’t have pulled off the crime of the slave trade of Africans without the help of sellout Blacks (Black sellouts are found every generation; the latest and most prominent are Clarence Thomas, Larry Elder, Thomas Sowell, Alveda King, and Jason Whitlock).” – Joseph Wright

            “Racism is not as simplistic as your small IQ can only comprehend.” – Joseph Wright

            “White racism isn’t that simplistic. It’s too complex for a mentality like yours to remotely understand.” – Joseph Wright

            “White safeties like Cliff Harris, Larry Wilson, and Charlie Waters WERE garbage in the ’70s and beyond.” – Joseph Wright

            “It’s players like Cliff Harris, Larry Wilson, Dick Anderson and Bill Bates that USC’s Sam Cunningham exploited that gave Paul “Bear” Bryant the vision and validation (to closed-minded, in-denial Confederates) to update his talent pool. The Larry Wilsons and Cliff Harrises were out and the Tatums and Ken Houstons were in.” – Joseph Wright (among other things, exhibiting timeline and geographical confusion)

            “Cliff Harris was on the track team (lol)? What’d he do? Throw the javelin? Run the mile? Poll vault? I KNOW it wasn’t the sprints or the high-jump. LMFAO!!!” – Joseph Wright (Harris was a collegiate sprinter who also posted an impressive 39 inch vertical in a scouting test)

            “Remember that dumb question you wanted me to ask the writers about Paul Zimmerman being a racist? As if one of them would have confirmed Z’s racism?” – Joseph Wright

            “Name one White has ever publicly called another White in the NFL out for being a racist. It doesn’t happen. It’s covered up.” – Joseph Wright

            “I never said these fine gentlemen who write for this site would be covering for Zimmerman because they are White. It is the overall sports journalists’ code,” – Joseph Wright

            “There is only one unqualified Black who benifitted from affirmative action, and he now sits on the Supreme Court.” – Joseph Wright

            “I love this one: ‘I prefer MLK’s niece Alveda King.’ That sellout, financial opportunist. A spineless woman who is trying to exploit and live off her uncle’s name (It worked: like many Black sellouts, she got a gig as a FOX News Channel contributor), take his words totally out of context, and supports White racist bigots like Glenn Beck, Donald Trump, and others.” – Joseph Wright

            “Ali was never a racist…Show me one quote where he said, “I hate White people.” You can’t.” – Joseph Wright

            “’White people are my enemy.’ That statement by Ali is nowhere near to close to showing he is a racist or bigot.” – Joseph Wright

            ““Malcolm X on JFK’s assassination: ‘Chickens coming home to roost never did make me sad; they’ve always made me glad.’” What Malcolm failed to mention was those chickens were from Dallas. Great job of protecting John F. Kennedy, city of Dallas. He was ONLY the President of the United States.” – Joseph Wright

            “I’m sure your parents are celebrating today. That “great day” of Dallas negligence (was it REALLY “negligence?” – Joseph Wright

            “So Texas has done that AND got John Kennedy killed. Way to go, Dallas! He was ONLY the President of the United States. Don’t give us your “Secret Service” nonsense, redneck…..Dallas failed to get the job done, no doubt because he was a “Yankee” who was in the process of helping Black people.” – Joseph Wright

            “Malcolm X on race: ‘Thoughtful white people know they are inferior to Black people.’” Maybe those White bigots who were running NFL teams prior to the 1999 draft felt they were being thoughtful when they didn’t draft Warren Moon, Jimmy Jones, Sandy Stephens, Homer Jordan,Karl Douglas, Kevin Murray and countless others as QBs. They only let a few in (Marlin Briscoe, James Harris, Joe Gilliam, Vince Evans, Doug Williams, Randall Cunningham) via the draft over the previous 70+ years).” – Joseph Wright

            “As for the Panthers breaking Shakur out of prison…Are you serious? Do you also believe in the Tooth Fairy, The Easter Bunny, and Santa Claus? LOL!…. Her escape was obviously an inside job and the prison was covering for itself with that documented lie.” – Joseph Wright

            “It’s not like we have the power to build restricted clubs or organizations that say “No Whites Allowed.” It doesn’t happen, redneck.” – Joseph Wright (except for dating sites like Blackpeoplemeet.com, the Congressional Black Caucus, Miss Black USA, the Black Chamber of Commerce, and countless activist and other groups)

            “The Bus Boycott was actually a separatist act, exactly in line with how the NOI would have handled that situation.” – Joseph Wright (referring to Rosa Parks’ protest AGAINST racial discrimination)

            “Tony Romo was NEVER a great quarterback. Cunningham was far better.” – Joseph Wright

            Rasputin: “Cunningham retired ranking 20th in passer rating, 47th in completion percentage, and tied for 60th in yards/attempt (that’s his own era and earlier). Romo still ranks 4th in passer rating, 5th in completion percentage, and 5th in yards/attempt despite playing with a crap offensive line for much of his career and never having a great defense like Cunningham enjoyed in his prime. Heck, Cunningham never even ranked in the top 5 in completion percentage.”
            Joseph Wright: “Romo’s passing statistics are inflated because he played in an era that has basically shackled defenders in pass coverage. It’s ridiculous that a guy like him completed 60+ percent of his passes every season. Put him in the late 80s and he’s a cross between Bubby Brister and David Woodley.”

            “Skip Bayless has always been a standup guy.” – Joseph Wright

            “Live and let live. Paul Robeson, Cookie Gilchrist, and W. E. B. Du Bois embraced communist ideals. Who cares?” – Joseph Wright

            “Another case of White folks trying to steal something that wasn’t theirs” – Joseph Wright (his characterization of the US war effort and sacrifice against communists in the Vietnam War)

            “Hillary Clinton got her racist tendencies from her start in politics working for and being contaminated by Barry Goldwater” – Joseph Wright

            “First off, I KNOW I’m smarter than you. Second, the correct way to write that would be “even more stupid.” Try to avoid saying “stupider” in public. Even though I understand they don’t teach proper English at Confederate County College.” – Joseph Wright (wrong as usual; “stupider” and “more stupid” are both correct)

            “Trump is a racist AND a communist sympathizer.” – Joseph Wright

            “Now for the White Supremecy: “It was founding American principles that eventually led to freedom for Blacks and, directly or indirectly, to freedom for billions of people of all colors around the world.” “American principles?” If that were the case, the Civil War would never have happened. ” – Joseph Wright (responding to my comment about American principles and somehow labeling it “White Supremecy”; the “Civil War” line was possibly typed while he was inebriated though one can’t be sure)

            ““Romo made just as many Pro Bowls as Cunningham did despite a shorter career.”–Only because of an expanded roster to inlude three QBs per squad and Goddell’s interference combined with Michael Irvin in 2014″ – Joseph Wright (responding to my factual comment; actually Romo led the NFL with a 113.2 passer rating in 2014)

            Scrolling through your distilled idiocy is a laugh riot, little Joey. You may not be the dumbest person I’ve ever encountered (I’ve debated a lot of 9/11 conspiracy theorists), but you’re the stupidest I’ve seen post on this site.

          • Joseph Wright
            January 17, 2018

            1) I have never “called for White genocide.” Total desperate lie on your part. Meanwhile, you have given a complete pass and stupidly have tried to justify slavery enforced by White racists all throughout this site.

            2) “the best retort you can come up with is to quote me calling Laura Bush’s tragic car accident as a kid a “tragic accident” (as if I was supposed to call it “murder” or something).”–Rasputin. The problem wasn’t calling it “a tragic accident,” liar. Let’s share your stupid, insensitive remark with the readers again: “A tragic accident when she was kid. Those things happen. Yes, she showed great strength in overcoming that…” It was negligent manslaughter on her part. You passed it off saying, “Those things happen.” What a moron. Once again: Spilling milk, misplacing your keys, tripping over a crack in the sidewalk on your morning jog, forgetting someone’s birthday. Those things happen. Killing someone because you ran a stop sign is not an event that happens in the majority of people’s lives. And then, you reached greater depths of ignorance by saying that Laura Bush “overcame” this. What about the individual she killed or HIS family? What about THEIR overcoming, stupid?

            3) The World Book Encyclopedia is hardly for kids. Islam for Dummies has abundant information. And Muhammad of Mecca: Prophet of Islam is informative. None of them cite slave ownership by Muhammad. They are all written by non-Islamic authors. As for WBE, it don’t cite Muhammad for slave ownership…But it sure nailed Jefferson and Washington for owning slaves. Quotes from WBE on Muhammad? Look up the “M” edition, dumbass. Don’t you know Muhammad starts with an “M” ? How far to you go in school? Since you rushed out to get a Koran (yeah, surrrrre) why don’t you order Islam for Dummies and Muhammad of Mecca: Prophet of Islam by Elsa Marston. I’m sure they’re on Amazon or EBay or google them as you always do. WBE is in any public library…a place, I take it, you rarely visit.

            4) The only stupid person in our exchanges was the one who was dumb enough to get deleted. I’ve never been deleted. LMAO!!!

            Enough of the diversionary tactics of a defeated redneck. Onto the serious business. The hypocritical, slave-owning, bigoted rapist and racist man who supposedly was not evil, Thomas Jefferson:

            1) Why did Jefferson have those young slave boys (ages 10-12) savagely beaten?
            2) Why did Jefferson chose to rape one of his slaves (Sally Hemings) to cheat on his wife? 2B)Why did that slave have to be Jefferson’s wife’s half-sister?
            3) Why did Jefferson, who claimed to be antislavery, keep his slaves that he inherited?
            4) Why did Jefferson refuse to take the legacy (inheritance) from his deceased friend, Thaddeus Kos­ciuszko, that would have financially benefited and freed his slaves?

            What are your twisted, corrupt answers to these questions?

            You even were so ignorant to write this:

            “The reason we even automatically see slavery as evil is BECAUSE of Jefferson and the libertarian egalitarian philosophy he espoused and embedded into the nation’s roots.”–Rasputin.

            Sooooooo…Blacks on Southern plantations all of a sudden “realized” slavery was evil? Because of JEFFERSON? What an ignorant, redneck moron. SMH.

            Malcolm X and Cookie Gilchrist warned us all (Black; White; and all in between) about White racist rednecks like you.

            You’ve been kicking my ass? Really? You’re a delusional Southern White racist in massive denial. After all, you still won’t admit the North Kicked the South’s ass in the Civil War or that the the Steelers kicked the Cowboys ass every time they played them during Pittsburgh’s Super Bowl run in the ’70s once they got Lynn Swann and John Stallworth. And, of course, the Cliff Harris body-slammer, Jack Lambert.

            Readers can review this if you are too scared to give them answers to the questions about Jefferson’s evil.: https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/the-dark-side-of-thomas-jefferson-35976004/?=&preview=_page%253d2_no-ist&page=1

          • Rasputin
            January 18, 2018

            Here are a few of my favorites that show what a raging moron you are, little Joey:

            “Jefferson was a scumbag. Doubled the size of the country, huh? By stealing land from Mexico.” – Joseph Wright

            “Your stupid argument that Whites would make up the majority of the U.S. workplace because they are the majority population doesn’t fly.” – Joseph Wright

            “They are not an ethnicity, dumbass. Judaism (and being “Jewish”) is a religion.” – Joseph Wright

            “Muhammad never owned slaves or raped anyone.” – Joseph Wright

            “White racism isn’t that simplistic. It’s too complex for a mentality like yours to remotely understand.” – Joseph Wright

            “Skip Bayless has always been a standup guy.” – Joseph Wright

            “Trump is a racist AND a communist sympathizer.” – Joseph Wright

            “Name one White has ever publicly called another White in the NFL out for being a racist. It doesn’t happen. It’s covered up.” – Joseph Wright

            “Maybe Landry should have stuck with Craig Morton. Why go with Staubach, anyway?” – Joseph Wright

            LMFAO!!

            As for the drivel in your latest post…..

            1. Yes you did call for white genocide, you lying coward. You endorsed and praised Mugabe’s atrocities against innocent whites, claiming they deserved it because of what some of their ancestors allegedly did. You also praised the massacre of up to 5,000 white men, women, and children in 19th Century Haiti, despite some of them supporting the anti-slavery cause and despite you almost certainly not knowing anything about that incident until I educated you on it. Like your hero, the evil, stupid Malcolm X, you seem to applaud any mass killing of whites you hear about.

            You never were man enough to answer the question about whether your guilt by ancestor dynamic would also apply to blacks and other non-whites. You’re too ignorant to realize that in past centuries some anti-black whites made the same argument about divine just desserts to defend enslaving blacks (their race had sinned and was now getting what they deserved; along with Darwinian variations that sounded a lot like the mirror image of later NOI doctrine) that you just spewed (if less eloquently) about “Whites” (sic) supposedly getting what they deserve. Oh, and you’re the only one who’s tried to “justify” slavery here:

            “The servitude or incarceration–not “slavery,” as you term it–practiced in Africa was completely different than the slavery practiced by Whites in America….I justify servitude for debts and incarceration for criminal behavior, which was what Blacks were doing in Africa during the time Whites were feasting upon the Black citizens to be slaves.” – Joseph Wright

            Of course I disproved your ignorant BS with extensive quotes from authoritative sources. I’m the one who sees slavery as evil. You see WHITE PEOPLE as evil. Big difference.

            2. We were talking about Laura Bush, not the accident victim, you idiot, so of course my additional commentary focused on her. You’re such a dishonest hypocrite that you didn’t mention the victim’s name. It was Mike Douglas, btw. He was her friend and his death scarred her. She even lost her faith for years. You, on the other hand, couldn’t care less about either one of them. To you they’re just props for your petty, ignorant use.

            3. I love how you go from mocking Islam for Dummies and falsely claiming it’s a source suitable for me to conceding it’s your own source (a proved, textbook example of projection on your part). Except you still haven’t cited anything from it or your other alleged source World Book (which is for kids, you semi-educated simpleton). You all but confirm my suspicion here by saying your alleged sources merely don’t mention whether are not Muhammad owned (or justified?) slaves. Simply because your PC kiddy sources don’t cover the topic doesn’t mean they contradict the many authoritative sources I quoted (including the Koran and hadiths themselves) detailing Muhammad owning, selling, buying, capturing, and having sex with slaves, and furthermore decreeing that all that was permissible for other Muslims too (pushing things in the opposite direction that the great Thomas Jefferson did).

            4. No, moron. The stupid person in our exchange is the one who’s repeatedly said stupid things. That’s you (see proof above).

            “Why did Jefferson have those young slave boys (ages 10-12) savagely beaten?”

            You mean Randolph reporting to Jefferson (who wasn’t there) that some youths had been whipped “for truancy” to get them to stop showing up late? Why did Muhammad PERSONALLY, approvingly oversee the beating of the young slave GIRL (who hadn’t done anything wrong) while seeking answers about his wife’s fidelity in the account I posted earlier? Beatings, like slavery, were actually common around the world for most of human history, and not just for slaves. Free people were beaten as punishment in the military or sometimes even civilian life, including school kids (for “truancy” or other offenses). Odds are you were spanked as a kid. Many today see that as taboo as you or I consider “beating” someone in your power to be (they even classify spanking as “beating”). Customs change. “Savagely beaten” seems like a stretched, tilted, self-serving description from you given the paucity of evidence in the account you copy pasted though (one brief, vague mention in a single letter).

            “Why did Jefferson, who claimed to be antislavery, keep his slaves that he inherited?”

            I already discussed that. He thought they’d fall flat on their faces if they were freed because they weren’t ready to be out on their own. He did free a few of his slaves that he thought were educated and competent enough to seek out and hold gainful employment, however. He seemed to believe that slaves in general needed some type of intermediate process that didn’t yet exist and that he admitted he didn’t have the all the answers about. His writing, and my extensive quotes above show his deep opposition to slavery, his view that slavery was a sort of trap they were stuck in, and indicated that he favored the institution gradually fading away through a series of society-wide steps. And he did take the concrete actions of banning the import of new slaves to Virginia and later the entire nation.

            Jefferson was born into a world (not just a nation) where slavery had pretty much always been accepted, and yet he had the moral vision to argue against it and push things in an abolitionist direction.

            Contrast that with the evil Malcom X. Slavery was illegal when Malcolm X was born (if given a chance he likely would have followed Muhammad’s example in owning slaves), so your infantile Jefferson-owned-slaves-but-Malcom-X-didn’t! argument is apples and oranges. No American owned slaves in the 20th Century, so that hardly says much about Malcolm X. Our window into Malcolm X’s character is found through the hatred of his fellow man he constantly spewed, his classless celebrations of random people (of a certain skin color) dying, his open prayer for babies and women (of a certain skin color) to “suffer”. Thomas Jefferson doing any of that would be unimaginable. Jefferson was a good man. Not perfect (no one is), but basically decent, and with a moral vision that transcended his own parochial or tribal circumstances. Malcolm X was evil, and by stoking race hatred and dehumanizing people he pushed the world in a worse direction.

            ““The reason we even automatically see slavery as evil is BECAUSE of Jefferson and the libertarian egalitarian philosophy he espoused and embedded into the nation’s roots.”–Rasputin.

            Sooooooo…Blacks on Southern plantations all of a sudden “realized” slavery was evil? Because of JEFFERSON? What an ignorant, redneck moron. SMH.”

            Blacks didn’t free themselves, you idiot. By “we” I’m referring to Western society broadly and particularly the US, not just whatever group happened to be enslaved at the time. After all, there’s a reason mostly white powers like the USA and Britain ended slavery in Africa in the 20th Century rather than African powers ending slavery in the West.

            “Why did Jefferson chose to rape one of his slaves (Sally Hemings) to cheat on his wife? 2B)Why did that slave have to be Jefferson’s wife’s half-sister?”

            Historians dispute whether the alleged Hemmings affair (which her family says was consensual) happened, but there’s no dispute that Muhammad did capture women and turn them into sex slaves as rewards for his fighting men, and that he personally impregnated at least one of them.

            Remember when, as a lame diversion tactic, you were crying about me supposedly “Muslim bashing” back before I had said hardly anything (and nothing negative outside of criticizing the bigoted NOI) about Islam, LOL? I’m not one who’s spent dozens of posts insisting that any slave owner in history is automatically “evil”, you craven hypocrite. Reality is more nuanced than that.

            Keep whining about “Muslim bashing” while attacking Jefferson for owning slaves, moron. Keep digging your own hole even deeper.

            “Malcolm X and Cookie Gilchrist warned us all (Black; White; and all in between) about White racist rednecks like you.”

            Sure, halfwit.

            Malcolm X : “Thoughtful white people know they are inferior to Black people.”

            Real moral paragon you’ve chosen there, LMFAO! Little Joey, while I’ve answered your insipid questions you still haven’t answered mine about whether Gilchrist would join you in supporting Mugabe’s murderous ethnic cleansing of white people in Zimbabwe in recent years.

            “you still won’t admit the North Kicked the South’s ass in the Civil War or that the the Steelers kicked the Cowboys ass every time they played them during Pittsburgh’s Super Bowl run in the ’70s once they got Lynn Swann and John Stallworth. And, of course, the Cliff Harris body-slammer, Jack Lambert.”

            That’s because, as an adult with a mature perspective, I know it’s not really an “ass kicking” if you lose more casualties than the other side, nor are 4 point wins (especially controversial ones) “ass kickings”. The Cowboys beating the Raiders at Oakland in 1980 comes closer since that was at least a 6 point win. Dallas beating Oakland 28-13 in 1992 and 24-7 in 2009 were the biggest ass kickings in the series’ history. In fact the Cowboys went undefeated against the Raiders through the Tony Romo era (no wonder you hate him so much, LOL!) and just kept their winning streak going by beating Oakland at Oakland in their last ever meeting with both teams attached to their respective cities. That’s a sweet victory I’ll savor for years.

            Your idiocy and bigotry are racing neck and neck to be your dominant trait, but your cowardice and hypocrisy are in striking distance close behind. You’re a craven wuss who still doesn’t know what a “body slam” is, but a true ass kicking is what I’ve given you all over this site.

          • Joseph Wright
            January 18, 2018

            1) The Whites reaped what their ancestors sowed in Zimbabwe, the land they stole from the innocent Blacks who were there BEFORE them. It was God’s will to enforce Gelations 6:7. So be it. Praise the Lord. You want to blame Him? That is hardly calling for Black homicide. What’s next, skinhead, ripping me for having similar thoughts on Jeffery Dahmer? I don’t lose sleep over the deaths of Whites (Dahmer, Confederates, Haiti, Vietnam, Mexico, Zimbabwe, etc., etc.) who willfully benefit and enforce oppression over non-Whites. Rasputin: “… you seem to applaud any mass killing of whites you hear about.” Did I applaud Columbine, the Oklahoma bombing, 9/11, or the Northern Soldiers in the Civil War?

            Here is the true measure of your character: You have termed the murders of Medgar Evers (you later called his widow a liar. Class act), Emmitt Till, the four little Black girls bombed in Sunday school in Alabama, and Dr. King (you called his widow a liar, too. Nice guy) “from a bygone era.” And you called killings of innocent Black peole by rogue cops (many of them White) “drops in a bucket.” Yet whenever Whites die (those benefitting from White oppression in Haiti, Zimbabwe, etc.), you call them innocent people. As for the Whites who died in the plane crash Malcolm X commented on, they died the same year as Medgar Evers. Why don’t you term them “from a bygone era?” You definitely lied when you wrote, “I don’t believe in racial double standards.”

            Laura Bush classier than Michelle Obama? No way. LB got away with negligent manslaughter. Becasuse she was White and rich. And you had the ignorance to brush it off and say, “Those things happen.” Now Michael Douglass was “innocent.” Or, since Laura Bush killed him in November 1963, was this “from a bygone era?” And was James Byrd a “drop in a bucket,” too?

            2) Good that you see slavery as evil. Were the Southern Whites (Jefferson fits that description) who owned the Black slaves evil, too?

            3) “… Simply because your PC kiddy sources don’t cover the topic doesn’t mean they contradict the many authoritative sources I quoted (including the Koran and hadiths themselves) detailing Muhammad owning, selling, buying, capturing, and having sex with slaves.” Just for the sake of an argument, with that in place, why, then, did the World Book Encyclopedia (a non-Islamic source–no pro-Muslim bias there) have absolutely NO PROBLEM AT ALL nailing Jefferson for his slave owning, raping ways–and leave Muhammad alone? “Remember when, as a lame diversion tactic…”–Rasputin. You were the one who accussed Muhammad, out of nowhere, of being a slaveowner (there is no universal–you know, UNANIMOUS–confirmation; Jefferson on the other hand…) in an attempt to take the focus off your evil, slave-owning hero, Thomas Jefferson. Focus on Jefferson. Stop acting like a childish girl like Lindsay Lohan. What’s next for your weak diversions, redneck? Rasputin–“Jefferson isn’t the only one. Clarence Thomas was a sexual harasser!!” Fine. OK. I fully agree with you.

            4) Only stupid people get deleted from this site. Glad I’M not one. LMAO!!!

            “You mean Randolph reporting to Jefferson (who wasn’t there) that some youths had been whipped “for truancy” to get them to stop showing up late? “–Rasputin.

            You can’t keep screwing yourself, can you? First, you lie (and it was a good one), “I’m the one who sees slavery as evil.” Then almost immediately later, clumsily and unsuccessfully explain away the savage beatings of young (ages 10-12) enslaved boys owned by Jefferson with this: “You mean Randolph reporting to Jefferson (who wasn’t there) that some youths had been whipped “for truancy” to get them to stop showing up late?” SMH. And then you fell off the big stage like Bob Dole again. You said that the youmg woman Muhammad allegedly had beaten “..hadn’t done anything wrong.” What had the boys done wrong? So, redneck, Jefferson not being there “excuses” him from that evil? Even though he enforced the evil punishment? Pontius Pilate is in Hell and so is Jefferson. Comparing a spanking to a beating is ignorant. Spankings leave stings that last about fifteen minutes to a half hour. Beatings applied with a whip leave bloodshed and scars that last for life. The Black boys were showing up too late to be slaves, right, dumbass? “‘Savagely beaten’ seems like a stretched, tilted, self-serving description from you given the paucity of evidence in the account you copy pasted though (one brief, vague mention in a single letter).” So what are you telling us, U.S. Slavery Sympathizer? They were given “light taps” on the rear end? They were struck briskly with a ruler?

            “Why did Jefferson, who claimed to be antislavery, keep his slaves that he inherited?”–Me

            “I already discussed that. He thought they’d fall flat on their faces if they were freed because they weren’t ready to be out on their own.”–Rasputin

            I have never heard or seen ONE quote from any ex-slave who successfully escaped slavery that said, in effect, “I wish I had stayed on the plantation as a slave than become free.” Harriet Tubman was wrong for taking those slaves to freedom in the North and further north into Canada? Rasputin: “Harriet Tubman was an evil woman. She even had some White Confederates killed in the Civil War.”

            If, in fact, they were not ready to be out on there own (although they had all kinds of manual skills forced onto them; then, again, it was enforced that they not be taught how to read or right), whose fault was that? Jefferson didn’t want to hold them as slaves for their own safety, he wanted to keep them to milk them for all the money and (in the case of Sally Hemings and the other slave women) sex they could give him. Jefferson was a scumbag, pure and simple. Slaves who escaped slavery made out fine. At the very least, they weren’t at the evil whim of Whites who owned them like a piece of property.

            “After all, there’s a reason mostly white powers like the USA and Britain ended slavery in Africa in the 20th Century rather than African powers ending slavery in the West.”–Rasputin

            Blacks (the Blacks were transported Africans. Keep up, dummy) ended slavery in Haiti by giving the White oppressors a thorough ass-whipping in 1791. I guess those Blacks were ahead of the White curb then? Right?

            “U.S. Blacks didn’t free themselves, you idiot.” And neither did the Southern Whites, nuimbskull. Why is that?

            “The reason we even automatically see slavery as evil is BECAUSE of Jefferson and the libertarian egalitarian philosophy he espoused and embedded into the nation’s roots.”–Rasputin

            Jefferson didn’t do squat to “enlighten” people and free slaves. He was a fake antislavery, lip-service hypocrite who owned, raped, and looked down on Black people until the day he keeled over, kicked the bucket, and died.

            Readers out there, I can’t make this up: “Our window into Malcolm X’s character is found through the hatred of his fellow man he constantly spewed, his classless celebrations of random people (of a certain skin color) dying, his open prayer for babies and women (of a certain skin color) to “suffer”. Thomas Jefferson doing any of that would be unimaginable. Jefferson was a good man.”

            Jefferson was a good man, huh? Explain this: “In the 1790s, as Jefferson was mortgaging his slaves to build Monticello, George Washington was trying to scrape together financing for an emancipation at Mount Vernon, which he finally ordered in his will. He proved that emancipation was not only possible, but practical, and he overturned all the Jeffersonian rationalizations. Jefferson insisted that a multiracial society with free black people was impossible, but Washington did not think so. Never did Washington suggest that blacks were inferior or that they should be exiled.” So with this information, it is accurate to say that as their lives approached the end, Washington and X were seeing the light and, most importantly, started living that way. Jefferson’s practices to his death shows that he did not. Furthermore, Malcolm saw Jim Crow as a youth and the Nation of Islam literature and by-laws have a constant theme: Whatever evils Whites were/are guilty of, stay away from. Malcolm X would have never owned slaves. That ranks right down there with that ignorant statement you made about “if Malcolm X were born in Africa, he’d have been a slave anyway.” As if 90 percent of Africa (even West Africa) was enslaving Blacks in the 17th, 18th, and 19th centuries (Henry Gates really sold out on that one. Probably to appease his wife). Kareem Abdul-Jabbar (who was NEVER in the NOI as you ignorantly keep insisting) always has said he was drawn to and became a Muslim after he read Malcolm X’s autobiography.

            Why would Malcolm X (or Cookie Gilchrist, for that matter) be a slave owner after calling out Jefferson for it?

            https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/the-dark-side-of-thomas-jefferson-35976004/#2UpaqEMGCSSvGoEf.99

          • Rasputin
            January 19, 2018

            “The Whites reaped what their ancestors sowed in Zimbabwe….It was God’s will to enforce Gelations 6:7. So be it. Praise the Lord. You want to blame Him? That is hardly calling for Black homicide. What’s next, skinhead, ripping me for having similar thoughts on Jeffery Dahmer? I don’t lose sleep over the deaths of Whites (Dahmer, Confederates, Haiti, Vietnam, Mexico, Zimbabwe, etc., etc.) who willfully benefit and enforce oppression over non-Whites. ”

            Wow. Even if you were intoxicated when you typed that it’s an awesome paragraph that provides a window into your worthless character, Joseph Wright. You even slipped in “Vietnam” there to disparage US troops (only the white ones I guess; there were non-white troops there too).

            Would Cookie Gilchrist agree with you?

            For the record Galatians 6 talks about INDIVIDUALS reaping what they sow, not collective racial judgment. If you actually read the Bible you’d see that the preceding few verses say this (NIV)…..”Each one should test their own actions. Then they can take pride in themselves alone, without comparing themselves to someone else, 5 for each one should carry their own load. 6 Nevertheless, the one who receives instruction in the word should share all good things with their instructor. 7 Do not be deceived: God cannot be mocked. A man reaps what he sows. 8 Whoever sows to please their flesh, from the flesh will reap destruction; whoever sows to please the Spirit, from the Spirit will reap eternal life.”

            By mischaracterizing a Bible verse to justify murdering innocent people you certainly come much closer to mocking God than some child butchered by thugs did.

            “…the land they stole from the innocent Blacks who were there BEFORE them.”

            No, moron. THEY didn’t steal any land, and regardless of who you think should own land there’s no excuse for MURDERING innocent men, women, and children whose only crime was being born and having a certain skin color.

            You’re a despicable racial bigot and an evil person, Joseph Wright.

            “Rasputin: “… you seem to applaud any mass killing of whites you hear about.” Did I applaud Columbine, the Oklahoma bombing, 9/11, or the Northern Soldiers in the Civil War?”

            So far here you’ve applauded any mass killing of whites when the perpetrators are black.

            “And you called killings of innocent Black peole by rogue cops (many of them White) “drops in a bucket.””

            Liar. I listed a bunch of whites killed by cops and in the same sentence said both those and the black cases are still a “drop in the bucket” (singular; you can’t even get that right) out of total interactions and homicides, disproving the BS about there being “systematic carnage” at the hands of police.

            Of course the vast majority of police shootings are justified, including most of the high profile ones that have fueled the BLM movement. You feel some baby in Haiti or Zimbabwe deserved to die violently because it’s white and therefore “guilty”, but you call a punk who robs a convenience store and then attacks a cop “innocent”? You’re wrong.

            “As for the Whites who died in the plane crash Malcolm X commented on, they died the same year as Medgar Evers. Why don’t you term them “from a bygone era?””

            I did, liar. I explicitly said that earlier on this page when you lied about that before. First, you omitted that I said this about the Civil Rights era murders (the quote was from another page and a different discussion focusing on modern crimes): The murders of King, Evers, and Till were ugly, disgusting, reprehensibly evil acts of a bygone era.

            Now here’s what I said earlier on this page: No, moron. Malcom X’s career is from a bygone era too. I’m only talking about Malcom X because you and Kaepernick were praising him. You don’t see me praising the murderers of Till or the others you raised do you?

            Anyone can use the quick search function to see once again that you’re a lying POS, Joseph Wright. You lie so much because you’re a coward and the truth buries you.

            “Good that you see slavery as evil. Were the Southern Whites (Jefferson fits that description) who owned the Black slaves evil, too?”

            Depends on the person. Do you think the blacks who owned slaves were evil? Not just the many slave owners in Africa over the millennia, but the black US slave owners I mentioned earlier who owned about 10,000 slaves by the eve of the Civil War. That’s right, little Joey, there were black slave owners IN AMERICA too.

            What about Muhammad and, as Encyclopedia Britannica put it, “all Islamic societies, both sedentary and nomadic, ranging from Arabia in the centre to North Africa in the west and to what is now Pakistan and Indonesia in the east”, where slavery was widely practiced?

            And what about American Indian tribes or others around the world who owned slaves?

            Are only white people “evil” in your book? Why have you been so afraid to answer these questions?

            “3) “… Simply because your PC kiddy sources don’t cover the topic doesn’t mean they contradict the many authoritative sources I quoted (including the Koran and hadiths themselves) detailing Muhammad owning, selling, buying, capturing, and having sex with slaves.” Just for the sake of an argument, with that in place, why, then, did the World Book Encyclopedia (a non-Islamic source–no pro-Muslim bias there) have absolutely NO PROBLEM AT ALL nailing Jefferson for his slave owning, raping ways–and leave Muhammad alone?”

            Let me get this straight. You have some source, written for kids, that doesn’t mention Islamic slavery one way or the other but “nail(s)” Jefferson for slavery, and YOU’RE asking ME why YOUR source failed you with such a misleading double standard? I already hinted at the answer by saying “PC” (politically correct). Your source was probably written by left wingers who are almost as anti-American as you are. They love emphasizing US slavery, at least slaves owned by whites, to create a warped picture. They also love bashing Christianity in general. On the other hand, liberals are extremely uncomfortable with any perceived criticism of or negative commentary about Islam or Muslims, and to some extent non-whites in general (it’s why even you blindly fell back on the knee jerk “Muslim bashing” retort when I was just discussing the Nation of Islam, because as a modern liberal that’s what you’ve been trained to do). So the history gets white washed. But just because they don’t emphasize it doesn’t mean it doesn’t get covered by some sources, even the occasional left wing one (I included quotes from the BBC and Huffington Post about Muhammad’s slaves), and it’s certainly there for all to see in the Koran and hadiths, along with the consequences of Muhammad’s example found in the slave-drenched history of every Muslim country.

            At least you’ve finally conceded that you lied earlier about having sources that contradict me. You only had a source or two that didn’t mention the issue. Not the same thing.

            Let this be a lesson to you, Mr. Wright. Some surface “googling” or a quick check of one source often isn’t enough. To find the truth requires deeper digging, more work, and a perspective informed by a large knowledge base that must be built up over years. Read everything with a critical eye and a grain of salt. Sift through sources with different biases for hard facts and always, always be thinking for yourself.

            “You were the one who accussed Muhammad, out of nowhere, of being a slaveowner…”

            No, liar. I mentioned it because you had been baselessly crying about me “Muslim bashing” out of the blue in the same posts where you were claiming anyone who owned slaves is automatically “evil”. I deftly exposed your hypocrisy, ignorance, and racial double standards.

            “.. in an attempt to take the focus off your evil, slave-owning hero, Thomas Jefferson. Focus on Jefferson. Stop acting like a childish girl like Lindsay Lohan. What’s next for your weak diversions, redneck?”

            You mean you’re dwelling on Jefferson as a lame diversion from discussing YOUR racial bigotry and that of your professed “hero” (your word) Malcolm X? You know, the guy directly tied to the article topic because Colin Kaepernick celebrates him? Jefferson is way more tangential to this topic than any of that.

            More projection from you, halfwit. You’re acting like a childish girl like Lindsay Lohan, bigot.

            “Rasputin–“Jefferson isn’t the only one. Clarence Thomas was a sexual harasser!!” Fine. OK. I fully agree with you.”

            And unlike you, I don’t have to completely make up false quotes like you did here. My quotes showcasing your bigotry and idiocy are all real. Every one of them.

            “Pontius Pilate is in Hell and so is Jefferson. ”

            Now you’re pretending to be God? Because you sure as hell don’t know that, or even where Malcolm X or Huey Newton are, or the Haitian regime men you praised who butchered babies and raped women for being white. Is there any limit to your self delusion?

            “Comparing a spanking to a beating is ignorant.”

            And yet modern liberals do just that.

            “Spankings leave stings that last about fifteen minutes to a half hour. Beatings applied with a whip leave bloodshed and scars that last for life.”

            Depends on what kind of “whipping” or “spanking” it is, ignoramus.

            “the Nation of Islam literature and by-laws have a constant theme: Whatever evils Whites were/are guilty of, stay away from. Malcolm X would have never owned slaves.”

            You mean evils like racial prejudice/supremacy?

            Malcolm X: “Thoughtful white people know they are inferior to Black people.”

            Again, the NOI committed numerous murders and performed every other evil under the sun they thought they could get away with. If slavery was legal and he wasn’t a slave, why wouldn’t Malcolm X follow Muhammad’s example by owning slaves like Muslims in every other society over the centuries had?

            “Blacks…ended slavery in Haiti by giving the White oppressors a thorough ass-whipping in 1791. I guess those Blacks were ahead of the White curb then? Right?”

            They only ended it on that island, not in Africa, America, or the broader world. There have been slave revolts throughout history (Spartacus even did serious damage to the mighty Roman Empire), but it took a society-wide shift for people in general to come to view slavery as automatically evil. It was the combination of Christianity and modern universal natural rights theory (developed by Locke and most famously enshrined by Jefferson’s words in the Declaration of Independence) that largely fueled this change. As a result Western powers (or “Whites”, as you’d put it) ended slavery not just at home but around the world, including by giving Muslim Arabs and black Africans thorough “ass whipping(s)” when required.

            “That ranks right down there with that ignorant statement you made about “if Malcolm X were born in Africa, he’d have been a slave anyway.””

            Another made up quote by you, lying moron. Yawn.

            “As if 90 percent of Africa (even West Africa) was enslaving Blacks in the 17th, 18th, and 19th centuries (Henry Gates really sold out on that one. Probably to appease his wife).”

            He “sold out” by telling the truth, you lying bigot? And it started long before the 17th Century or the Translatlantic slave trade. Heck, since you’re obsessed with making sweeping racial judgments, the fact is white people practiced slavery for less time than any other major racial group, and it was ultimately white people who ended it around the world.

            And I noticed that jab about his “wife”, whom you presumably attacked because she’s white. Once again your NOI-like aversion to interracial marriage rears its ugly head. Unfortunately you’re not alone. Black bigots disgustingly called him a “Tom” and a “sell out” for marrying a white woman. However, since they had been divorced for over a decade before he wrote the article I quoted from, I doubt that it was done to “appease” her, you bigoted moron.

            “Kareem Abdul-Jabbar…always has said he was drawn to and became a Muslim after he read Malcolm X’s autobiography.”

            And that Kareem was converted to Islam by his mentor, Hamaas Abdul Khaalis, the guy who later committed a mass terrorist act in DC. Real sterling judge of character there.

            The rest of your post just regurgitates boring crap I’ve already debunked with extensive quotes and historical evidence. I’ve given you a thorough ass whipping here.

          • Joseph Wright
            January 19, 2018

            “I don’t lose sleep over the deaths of Whites (Dahmer, Confederates, Haiti, Vietnam, Mexico, Zimbabwe, etc., etc.) who willfully benefit and enforce oppression over non-Whites. ”–Me

            ” …You even slipped in “Vietnam” there to disparage US troops (only the white ones I guess; there were non-white troops there too).

            Would Cookie Gilchrist agree with you? ”

            He supported Muhammad Ali’s Anti-Vietnam War stand. Next!

            So now…the racist redneck is a Sunday School teacher:

            5 for each one should carry their own load (I guess Thomas Jefferson violated that one. He brutalized, raped, and had slaves savagely beaten–to carry JEFFERSON’S load). 6 Nevertheless, the one who receives instruction in the word should share all good things with their instructor. 7 Do not be deceived: God cannot be mocked. A man reaps what he sows (as did the Whites and their benefiting relatives and ancestors in Haiti, Zimbabwe, Vietnam, Mexico, and let’s not forget the deserving Confederates). 8 Whoever sows to please their flesh (Bingo! Jefferson again…does the name Sally Hemings ring a bell?), from the flesh will reap destruction (All those defeated Confederates fell because Jefferson didn’t do the right thing in 1776); whoever sows to please the Spirit, from the Spirit will reap eternal life (Crispus Attucks; Harriet Tubman; John Quincy Adams; Benjamin Franklin; Franklin and Eleanor Roosevelt; Malcolm X; Martin Luther King; Lyndon Johnson; Rosa Parks; Betty Shabazz; Muhammad Ali).”

            I’m surprised that you didn’t try to twist the scripture about “…slaves obey your masters.” SMH. White slave owners in the South (and modern day Pat Robertson) used that one all the time.

            “I’m the one who sees slavery as evil.”–Rasputin
            “Good that you see slavery as evil. Were the Southern Whites (Jefferson fits that description) who owned the Black slaves evil, too?”–Me
            “Depends on the person.”–Rasputin. Translation: “If they are White and enslaving non-Whites, no. Anyone not White, yes.”
            You racist hypocrite. You defend and justify Jefferson and all the Confederates who practiced it.

            You say I falsely labeled you a Muslim-basher (see how this redneck xenophobe’s mind malfunctions), so what do you do? You accuse the religion’s founder, Muhammad, of slavery and rape, charges that are disputed by many sources. That’s a great show a love and humanity toward Muslims. REAL good, Razzie. All because you assumed I was a Muslim (“Are you a Muslim?!?!?!”–Rasputin. SMH). What am I supposed to do? List the numerous ones in addition to the sources I gave that dispute the slave owning and rape allegations against Muhammad? I gave you sources. No documentations of slavery or raping are cited. You label the World Book Encyclopedia a “kiddy book” because it doesn’t subscribe to the White racist concepts that you tightly embrace. If it were being “kid friendly,” I guess they felt the “kids” were out of the room when they wrote about Jefferson and George Washington because they nailed them for having slaves. And they called out Jefferson for his hedonistic affair with Sally Hemings. Of course, you have nothing to fight back with (the truth hurts, huh, bigot?) so you pass it off as “liberal” propaganda and “PC” writing. The World Book Encyclopedia is written for adults. Why do you keep calling it a source for children? Because it calls out Jefferson and destroys your hero?

            This was hilarious and vastly hypocritical: “…Some surface “googling”(the foundation of Razzie’s “research”) or a quick check of one source (FOX News and other Redneck rhetoric and propaganda) often isn’t enough. To find the truth requires deeper digging, more work, and a perspective informed by a large knowledge base that must be built up over years. Read everything with a critical eye and a grain of salt (Like articles by Thomas Sowell? Bill O’Reilly?). Sift through sources with different biases for hard facts and always, always be thinking for yourself.” I offered you to read some books to get superior knowledge than what your ignorant, White racist ass has and your response was, “No. Not diverse enough.” GTFOH. That’s why you keep saying, wrongly, that Kareem Abdul-Jabbar was in the Nation of Islam.

            ” I deftly..”–Rasputin. Never say you did anything “deftly,” skinhead. You are way too dumb and stupid to do anything deftly. How far did you go in school? Did you at least get your GED. Or did you drop out all together because the curriculum didn’t have enough White racism and White supremacy? What a “dreary experience” school must have been.

            “the Nation of Islam literature and by-laws have a constant theme: Whatever evils Whites were/are guilty of, stay away from. Malcolm X would have never owned slaves.”–Me

            “You mean evils like racial prejudice/supremacy?” See how I deftly got you to admit racist Whites like Thomas Jefferson’s evil. Thanks for taking the bait, dumbass.

            Malcolm X and Cookie Gilchrist called out your “hero,” the evil Thomas Jefferson for years.

            The truth is all here: https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/the-dark-side-of-thomas-jefferson-35976004/

          • Rasputin
            January 19, 2018

            “I offered you to read some books to get superior knowledge than what your ignorant, White racist ass has”

            For you to butcher the grammar in that sentence in particular is awesome, you racially bigoted moron (even helpfully throwing in an unnecessary “White” lest anyone just tuning in doubts your racial hostility). You offered me to read some books, huh? I guess you done tried to learn me real good but you’re the one that got schooled by me with all my book learnin’ and stuff, LMFAO!

            You’re just repeating already debunked garbage while dodging almost every point I’ve made like the coward you are. Your meltdown is complete and any semblance of rational debate has ended with your effective surrender. You can’t even comprehend the straightforward Bible verses you copy pasted, which are about INDIVIDUAL decision making not groups or “ancestors”. It wouldn’t shock me if you haven’t read 10 books cover to cover in your life that weren’t assigned to you by whatever low quality school let you slip through the cracks on a bare minimum program. And I’ve been asking whether you think Gilchrist would have agreed with your support of Mugabe’s policies and other massacres of whites, not whether he supported the Vietnam War, you idiot.

            Joseph Wright/Malcolm X racial philosophy: “Thoughtful white people know they are inferior to Black people.”

            Supports Mass Murder and Ethnic Cleansing
            Joseph Wright – Yes
            Rasputin – No

            Is a Racial Nationalist
            Joseph Wright – Yes
            Rasputin – No

            Opposes Interracial Marriage
            Joseph Wright – Yes
            Rasputin – No.

            Has Tried to Justify Slavery
            Joseph Wright – Yes (literally said “I justify” when talking about African slavery, ignorantly claiming it was just criminal punishment before I blew him out of the water with authoritative, fact filled sources)
            Rasputin – No

            Supports the Murder of People, Including Babies, Based on Skin Color
            Joseph Wright – Yes
            Rasputin – No

            Supports Racial Double Standards and Discrimination
            Joseph Wright – Yes
            Rasputin – No

            That about sums it up.

          • Joseph Wright
            January 20, 2018

            “’I offered you to read some books to get superior knowledge than what your ignorant, White racist ass has”–Me

            For you to butcher the grammar in that sentence in particular is awesome, you racially bigoted moron (even helpfully throwing in an unnecessary “White” lest anyone just tuning in doubts your racial hostility). You offered me to read some books, huh? I guess you done tried to learn me real good but you’re the one that got schooled by me with all my book learnin’ and stuff, LMFAO!”–Rasputin.

            This site offers no editing that I know of, numbskull. Put a comma after “to read” and it makes sense. Then again, it’s not like I’m corresponding with a college or even high school graduate. How far DID you go in school (before your racism made you crash and burn)? I know you have no bachelor’s degree. That’s painfully obvious.

            Joseph Wright/Malcolm X racial philosophy: “Thoughtful white people know they are inferior to Black people.”

            The difference between Malcolm and myself is, I would say, “Insecure White racist people (like Razzie, Thomas Jefferson, Donald Trump, and that lowly class) are afraid they are inferior to Black people.” As for the false allegations by the White redneck racist:

            Supports Mass Murder and Ethnic Cleansing
            Joseph Wright – Yes
            Rasputin – No

            I never cheered the Columbine massacre, the Oklahoma bombing, nor the tragedy of 9/11. Nor have I ever referred to the Holocausts of Germany that sparked World War II as “tragedies of a bygone era,” thus trivializing the mass murder.

            Is a Racial Nationalist
            Joseph Wright – Yes
            Rasputin – No

            Rasputin has never even given his definition of “Racial Nationalist.” Then again, he is against Black History Month, La Raza, Asian History Month, etc., etc., mischaracterizing them as “racist.”

            Opposes Interracial Marriage
            Joseph Wright – Yes
            Rasputin – No.

            I have no problem embracing: Jack Johnson as a sports hero; Julian Bond as a civil rights activist; Bryant Gumbel as a sports journalist; Marcus Allen as a player; I Love Lucy…I could go on. Rasputin embraced Joe Louis (“bygone era”) but wouldn’t embrace Jack Johnson (“bygone era”). And we all know why.

            Has Tried to Justify Slavery
            Joseph Wright – Yes (literally said “I justify” when talking about African slavery, ignorantly claiming it was just criminal punishment before I blew him out of the water with authoritative, fact filled sources)
            Rasputin – No

            This one is hilarious. “Fact filled sources?” From where? FOXNews.org?
            ProtectTheWhiteLegacy.Net? Rasputin has never called out Thomas Jefferson, and all other Whites in America for that matter, for owning slaves. Here is his heart, spirit, and soul for all you readers to see: “I’m the one who sees slavery as evil.”–Rasputin
            “Good that you see slavery as evil. Were the Southern Whites (Jefferson fits that description) who owned the Black slaves evil, too?”–Me
            “Depends on the person.”–Rasputin. Translation: “If they are White and enslaving non-Whites, no. Anyone not White, yes.”
            When asked about why Jefferson continued to own slaves, this racist idiot weakly replied, “He thought they’d fall flat on their faces if they were freed because they weren’t ready to be out on their own.” So who was wrong, redneck, Thomas Jefferson for keeping Blacks slaves or Harriet Tubman for taking then with her to escape slavery?

            Supports the Murder of People, Including Babies, Based on Skin Color
            Joseph Wright – Yes
            Rasputin – No

            I support God’s will being fulfilled. When He said you reap what you sow, that sometimes involves murder. I accept it. So be it. Even if it is against the Confederates and Southern Whites for resisting the President and the North’s call to end slavery. Confederates and Southern White slavery supporters murdered? Yeah, Razzie. That was a huge loss and horrible tragedy. SMH.

            Supports Racial Double Standards and Discrimination
            Joseph Wright – Yes
            Rasputin – No

            Really? Black deaths, according to Rasputin are trivialized throughout this site. He brushes them off as “from a bygone era” or “A drop in a bucket.” Whites who are killed are deemed “innocent people.” ALWAYS. There are other inequities attached to Rasputin. Too numerous to mention.

            But enough about the diversions of this redneck.

            Cookie Gilchrist and Malcolm X (who the redneck termed evil; Cookie Gilchrist warned us about this accusation on Malcolm BEFORE Rasputin was even born!) both called out Thomas Jefferson for his evil, racist, bigoted, hedonistic practice and embrace of slavery. And this documented account that follows digs into Jefferson’s lack of integrity and supports the claims of Malcolm X and Cookie Gilchrist. This is documented evidence that Rasputin cannot get around:

            https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/the-dark-side-of-thomas-jefferson-35976004/.

          • Rasputin
            January 21, 2018

            Joseph Wright: “I offered you to read some books to get superior knowledge than what your ignorant, White racist ass has”

            Rasputin: “For you to butcher the grammar in that sentence in particular is awesome, you racially bigoted moron (even helpfully throwing in an unnecessary “White” lest anyone just tuning in doubts your racial hostility). You offered me to read some books, huh? I guess you done tried to learn me real good but you’re the one that got schooled by me with all my book learnin’ and stuff, LMFAO!”–Rasputin.

            Joseph Wright: “This site offers no editing that I know of, numbskull. Put a comma after “to read” and it makes sense.”

            No it doesn’t, LMFAO! You’d have to completely rearrange the words to make it coherent, you idiot. Once may be a terrible series of typos, but you just doubled down on your stupidity in another post after you had a chance to reread and address it. That’s even more awesome. And you’re boasting about your (apparently nonexistent) “education” to boot, LOL.

            “Joseph Wright/Malcolm X racial philosophy: “Thoughtful white people know they are inferior to Black people.”

            The difference between Malcolm and myself is, I would say, “Insecure White racist people (like Razzie, Thomas Jefferson, Donald Trump, and that lowly class) are afraid they are inferior to Black people.””

            That’s one fear I certainly don’t have, LOL. You’re the one with all the racial hangups who called a bigoted dimwit like Malcolm X your “hero”. You’re projecting yet again, Joey.

            “As for the false allegations by the White redneck racist:”

            Everything I’ve said has been true. You’re the one who’s been busted repeatedly for lying, little Joey, including in your new post by repeating your refuted “drop in a bucket” claim where I was talking about cases of whites killed by cops, not just blacks. You even cite that as your alleged example of me employing racial double standards when it shows the exact opposite, you pathetic coward.

            “”Supports Mass Murder and Ethnic Cleansing
            Joseph Wright – Yes
            Rasputin – No”

            I never cheered the Columbine massacre, the Oklahoma bombing, nor the tragedy of 9/11.”

            I didn’t say you support all mass murders, moron. You’ve certainly embraced some though. Unlike you, I don’t support any.

            “”Supports the Murder of People, Including Babies, Based on Skin Color
            Joseph Wright – Yes
            Rasputin – No”

            I support God’s will being fulfilled. When He said you reap what you sow, that sometimes involves murder. I accept it. So be it. Even if it is against the Confederates and Southern Whites for resisting the President and the North’s call to end slavery.”

            The whites killed in Zimbabwe by Mugabe in the 21st Century had nothing to do with slavery, you delusional halfwit. And I’m not God, but I’m pretty sure it’s not God’s will that innocent babies be murdered simply because they’re white or black.

            “”Has Tried to Justify Slavery
            Joseph Wright – Yes (literally said “I justify” when talking about African slavery, ignorantly claiming it was just criminal punishment before I blew him out of the water with authoritative, fact filled sources)
            Rasputin – No”

            This one is hilarious. “Fact filled sources?” From where? FOXNews.org?
            ProtectTheWhiteLegacy.Net?”

            From prominent black scholar Henry Louis Gates and the Encyclopedia Britannica, LMFAO! You’re the most classless loser ever, Joseph Wright.

            “”Is a Racial Nationalist
            Joseph Wright – Yes
            Rasputin – No”

            Rasputin has never even given his definition of “Racial Nationalist.” Then again, he is against Black History Month, La Raza, Asian History Month, etc., etc., mischaracterizing them as “racist.””

            Liar. I even specifically laid out the ideology of groups you support like the Nation of Islam and Black Panthers. You celebrated the evil Malcolm X as a “hero” specifically during his disgustingly bigoted NOI phase. BTW, the racial nationalists you cheer on are a lot more extreme than people who merely like Black History Month.

            “Rasputin embraced Joe Louis (“bygone era”) but wouldn’t embrace Jack Johnson (“bygone era”). And we all know why.”

            Why, because he married a white woman like Darren Woodson and Henry Louis Gates did? I’m not much of a hugger but I’d shake Johnson’s hand if he traveled through time and met me. I don’t feel strongly about him one way or another. You brought him up out of the blue in one of your sillier diversion attempts. It’d be as if I brought up UFC heavy weight champ Stipe Miocic out of the blue and started complaining about how you haven’t “embraced him”.

            You only like Johnson though because lots of white people at the time didn’t. You DON’T like Gates because he crushed your worldview when I used his article to educate you about African slavery. You called him a “sellout” and took a snide shot at him having a white wife, saying maybe he wrote that to “appease” her. That you’re so ignorant you didn’t know they had divorced over a decade before he wrote that article is beside the point. You once again let your discomfort with interracial marriage show, and this was after you had already refused to disagree with the NOI’s and Ali’s opposition to interracial marriage. You’ve made it clear that you just plain don’t like white people.

            The rest of your drivel was even more idiotic and has already been debunked. Are you really too stupid to realize that every time you futilely try to divert focus away from your own racial bigotry onto Thomas Jefferson (LOL!) or some other off topic historical figure you only look like an even weaker loser than you did before? Knocking you around is fun for me…but I’m just saying.

          • Joseph Wright
            January 22, 2018

            You continue to falsely characterize Malcolm X as “an evil man (a man who never halted anyone’s freedom by keeping them in bondage, owned and sold slaves, raped women, had people savagely beaten–even if they were only 10-12 years old, sold off people’s families, etc. etc.)” while holding up a racist, bigoted, raping, hedonistic, greedy slave-owning Thomas Jefferson as “a good man.” You’re an ignorant, racist.

            “The whites killed in Zimbabwe by Mugabe in the 21st Century had nothing to do with slavery,” But they were benefiting from living on the land their ancestors stole from the Blacks. So they reaped what the ancestors sowed. Live with it, Razzie. Live with it. BTW, good to see that you agree with me that the slavery-backing Confederates and Southern Whites who were ambushed and slaughtered by the North reaped the evil they sowed. You’re welcome for accepting my vast knowledge and insight into the destruction of the old South. It’s on the house…or plantation, LMFAO!!!

            Jefferson is totally undressed and you STILL give a pass to his evil ways. You’ve given a pass to ALL the White slave owners of the South in the 17th, 18th, and 19th centuries. Not one word of criticism. Just like you have not one word of criticism for the racists owners, GMs, and coaches who kept your “poster boy” Warren Moon out of the NFL for six years.

            “You only like (Jack) Johnson though because lots of White people at the time didn’t.” And why didn’t they like him, Razzie? Answer that question (don’t hold your breath, readers. A diversionary tactic or an out-and-out duck is on the horizon). He was Heavyweight Champion of the World. He was strong, mobile, and skillful. What’s not to like? That ranks right down there with your “You only like Randall Cunningham because he’s Black” nonsense. “… I’d shake Johnson’s hand if he traveled through time and met me.” Lie.

            “I don’t feel strongly about him one way or another. You brought him up out of the blue in one of your sillier diversion attempts.”–Rusputin.

            You are the one with the Lindsay Lohan-type diversion attempts (Prophet Muhammad, Zimbabwe, etc., etc.), not me. You don’t like Ali (Muslim-bashing, as usual), so you said “I prefer Joe Louis.” I guess you couldn’t say Jerry Quarry (Ali beat him), George Chavalo (Ali beat him), Joe Frazier (Ali beat him two of three), George Foreman (Ali knocked him out), and, let’s be real, Rocky Marciano–LOL!!! So you had to go ALL the way back to a bygone era to get Joe Louis (who Ali would have danced circles around, tattooing his face in the process). Why not take it further to Jack Johnson (who would have done an Ali number on Louis, as well)?

            We know why, redneck. Johnson “stuck it to the man” just like Ali did. That’s why you don’t like him. Johnson was into integration (multiple White wives), went anywhere he pleased (integration), and thumbed his nose to White discrimination. Ali spoke out against racism, embraced being Black, and protested the U.S. Government–and won!

            Joe Louis? Shuffled and mumbled along, did what Whites ordered him to do (“…never date, be seen with, or take pictures alone with a White woman or White women”), and willfully served in the segregated U.S. Army. Johnson and Ali lived and died on their own terms (Johnson, who loved to drive fast, died in a car crash–unlike Laura Bush, however, HE didn’t kill any innocent people; Ali died from Parkinson’s and old age). Louis ended up broke, worked as a doorman in Las Vegas, and became a cocaine addict. All the while, doing what Whites told him he was “supposed to do” as a Black man. What good did it get him? The IRS was on his ass until he died. So, going with the White Racist Establishment (Louis) or “Sticking It to the Man” (Johnson and Ali)? I’ll take “Sticking It to the Man.” And yes, redneck, it DOES count.

            Malcolm X was greater and a better man than Jefferson because he evolved and embraced a more open view of Whites while Jefferson remained a racist, bigoted slave owner and rapist towards Blacks until the day he keeled over, kicked the bucket, and died. Like Malcolm X, George Washington and George Wallace evolved. Jefferson freed “a few” of his slaves? Yeah. He freed the slaves but kept their wives and children so he could continue to own, work, have sex with, or sell THEM for more money. Family destroying homewrecker. Jefferson was a scumbag. It’s all right here: https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/the-dark-side-of-thomas-jefferson-35976004/

            By ignorantly showering him with the end of slavery in America and (even worse and more inaccurately) worldwide, you are giving Jefferson–a slave owner and racist bigot–a place in history and credit he does not deserve. The Virginia abolitionist Moncure Conway, noting Jefferson’s enduring reputation as a would-be emancipator, remarked scornfully, “Never did a man achieve more fame for what he did not do.”

            Still in denial about your defeats that I have put on you, huh, redneck? Just like you’re in denial about the North’s ass-kicking of the South in the Civil War, the little boys’ (ages 10-12) beatings administered through the orders of Thomas Jefferson, and the Steelers whippings of the Cowboys in the ’70s.

            You should bow down and thank Cookie Gilchrist, Malcolm X (who Gilchrist admired), Henry Wiencek, and me for giving you these jewels of wisdom and revelation about Thomas Jefferson (who Cookie despised).

            Just a reminder: https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/the-dark-side-of-thomas-jefferson-35976004/

          • Rasputin
            January 22, 2018

            Out of respect for Clark Judge and his replies this will be my last post on this page, unless you post some new libel that hasn’t already been refuted, but that’s doubtful as you’re clearly out of ideas. The only “ass kicking” involved here is the one I’ve given you all over this page, little Joey. In fact you’ve had your ass kicked so hard that you’re repeating yourself in the three posts above like you’re punch drunk, LOL.

            Joseph Wright’s Hierarchy of “Evil”

            Thomas Jefferson – most evil
            Malcolm X – less evil
            David Duke – least evil

            You see, while Duke is a racial separatist he hasn’t enslaved or murdered anyone either, which by your logic means he’s not evil. To my knowledge he hasn’t even called for the mass deaths of random black people or for black babies and women to suffer the way Malcolm X did for whites in the speech you singled out for praise. The only problem you might conceivably have with Duke is that he’s the wrong color.

            Of course I think both those guys have spewed evil, and unlike you I oppose racial bigotry whether it comes from a white nationalist (Duke) or a black one (Malcolm X, Joseph Wright). Malcolm X in particular was an evil scumbag for wishing death and suffering on babies. If you can’t acknowledge that there may be no hope for you. And Mugabe and Muhammad both slaughtered lots of people (plus Muhammad enslaved many, which is NOT in dispute, you ignorant halfwit), so lets add them to the list:

            By Joseph Wright’s Logic

            Muhammad – off the charts evil
            Mugabe – extremely evil
            Thomas Jefferson – moderately evil
            Malcolm X – less evil
            David Duke – least evil

            That’s where your hypocrisy kicks in though. Since you refuse to apply a consistent standard your insipid position collapses on its own internal inconsistencies. You can’t rationally condemn the great Thomas Jefferson as automatically “evil” because he owned slaves (because of the era and circumstances he was born into) while simultaneously refusing to denounce Muhammad (in fact falsely accusing others of “Muslim bashing” just because they’re criticizing a modern individual who happened to be Muslim) and even PRAISING THE DICTATOR MUGABE, you bigoted moron. You were doomed to defeat on this and every other front here from the beginning because you staked out bad ground and because you lack both the mental acuity and character to adapt to new information when you’ve been proven wrong. Instead, being the coward you are, you try to divert attention by tossing up loads of tangential garbage, but I’ve even taken time to school you on those tangents, increasing the magnitude of your defeat.

            You started this debate by falsely accusing me of “racism”. While you failed to ever produce a single bigoted thing I’ve said, I successfully used this exchange to draw out numerous examples of your real racial bigotry (available for future citation).

            You praised racial ethnic cleansing (among other things) and the murder of innocent people based on their skin color, so you lose any debate on “racism”. Period. I’ve also exposed your stupidity over and over again. That’s here for any honest person to read. Just remember, if you ever try to spew your idiotic lies on race or politics again on a fresh article I have pages of bigoted quotes from you that instantly destroy your credibility with any reasonable third party and that anyone can easily verify are authentic.

            What made this debate especially sweet was that during it the Oakland Raiders were defeated in their last ever game against the Dallas Cowboys. How awesome and appropriate. 😉

          • David O'Brien
            January 22, 2018

            Since, unfortunately, this trash of yours has been sent to my inbox, I’ll reluctantly respond.

            Your are a vile, ignorant, immoral, and racist individual. You reflect nothing that would reveal even an ounce of having spent time educating yourself in a higher collegiate institution of learning. Myself, Joseph Wright, Ron Rivera (see State Your Case: Jim Plunkett), Rhonda Boland, and others have all had to endure your bigoted, racist endeavors: “Malcolm X was an evil man,” “No affirmative action inductees please,” “The delusion that black Americans are somehow oppressed in the 21st Century (they aren’t),” on and on and on.

            I feel I must make it clear: The only vile, bigoted racist I’ve consistently seen on this site is not anyone but this troll, “Rasputin.” Anyone who always dodges pertinent questions about the practice of white Southerners administering slavery/oppression on blacks and other nonwhites with, essentially, the weak counter question of “what about what your people did?” is a cowardly individual without any “balls,” if you will. It is definitely an individual that lacks courage. Instead of the counter questions, examine yourself, your seriously flawed “heroes (Thomas Jefferson, David Duke, Donald Trump, Glenn Beck, and the like),” answer the direct question YOU were posed with, learn from the mistakes of the perpetrators you misguidedly admire, grow up, and move on.

            I am grateful I was raised in Pennsylvania–the North–and not the South. It’s vile, racist white people like you who give open-minded white people like the rest of us a bad name and KEEP the racial tension, unrest, and practices going in this country. And it continues, through people like Kenny Easley, LeBron James and Colin Kaepernick, the conversation that people like Dr. King, Malcolm X, Muhammad Ali, Ceasar Chavez, the Kennedys, and Cookie Gilchrist (fellow Pennsylvanian) started in the 1960s about remedying this problem.

            Wright did pose a question to you that you dodged that I’m curious about your answer. Which was evil? Thomas Jefferson for saying slavery should be upheld because blacks were incapable of taking care of themselves or Harriet Tubman for getting them to go with her and setting them free in the Northern states and later on in Canada?

          • Joseph Wright
            January 22, 2018

            Once again, you have falsely labeled Malcolm X as “an evil man.” We know that he never held people in bondage, raped women, refused to give people their freedom, ordered to have people–even as young as 10-12 years old–savagely beaten, or broke up families for money. On the other hand, the man you held up above X, Thomas Jefferson, was guilty of ALL these evils. You termed him “a good man.” Twisted, misplaced priorities of an ignorant White racist.

            This ridiculously ignorant and misguided notion that Thomas Jefferson was the cause of the end of slavery in America and (even more inaccurately) worldwide is giving ol’ racist, bigoted Tommie Boy a place in history and credit that he does not deserve. The Virginia abolitionist Moncure Conway, noting Jefferson’s enduring reputation as a would-be emancipator, remarked scornfully, “Never did a man achieve more fame for what he did not do.”

            One of the reasons Malcolm X was a better man than Jefferson was because he evolved. He was more open to other people and embraced a higher ideal regarding humanity. Jefferson was a slave owner and racist bigot until the day he keeled over, kicked the bucket, and died. It’s all right here: https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/the-dark-side-of-thomas-jefferson-35976004/.

            “Everything I’ve said has been true.”–Rasputin. Lie.
            Examples:
            “Malcolm X was an evil man.”
            “Kareem Abdul-Jabbar was in the Nation of Islam.”
            “Muhammad Ali was ignorant much of his life.”
            “I had a poster of Warren Moon when I was a kid.”
            “I’m against racial double-standards,”
            “Kunta Kinte didn’t exist.”
            “I see slavery as evil.” But not Thomas Jefferson.
            “Jack Tatum was late to practice for oversleeping often.”
            “Muhammad was a slave owner and raped women.” Inconclusive accusations.
            “Joseph Wright justifies slavery.” Always accusing ME of YOUR sins and evils, huh, Razzie?
            “I’m with Dr. Martin Luther King.”–Rasputin. Really? Then he followed with this:
            “No one should brag about having a ‘peaceful’ protest.” Way to go, moron.
            “I’m not a Muslim Basher.”–Rasputin
            “Do you think Muhammad was evil? He owned slaves and raped women.” Allegedly. However, an intelligent, unxenophobic person would not follow a denial of hating a particular religion with allegations against the religion’s founder. However, an idiotic bigot would. “I think Hakeem Olajuwon was a great basketball player.” SMH. The redneck, xenophobic bigot STILL doesn’t get it.

            “Joseph Wright hates White people.” Not true. I had three for breakfast this morning. Of course, I’m joking. Watch him try to blow this up. (Rasputin: “HE”S A CANNIBAL!!! HE”S A CANNIBAL!!!”) SMH.

            Seriously, though, Jefferson was a horrible man. He owned slaves, ordered them to be savagely beaten, and raped various female slaves, Sally Hemings being the most notable. Razzie says he freed “a few” of his slaves. Oh, yeah. He freed the slaves but kept their marriage partners and children to continue to own, work, and have sex with. It’s all here: https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/the-dark-side-of-thomas-jefferson-35976004/.

            “The Whites killed in Zimbabwe by Mugabe in the 21st Century had nothing to do with slavery…” No, those Whites were reaping what evil their ancestors sowed: Stealing the land from the Blacks who lived there. So be it. Live with it, redneck. Live with it. BTW, you’re welcome for the bountiful knowledge I provided you that made you see the light about the Confederates and other Southern Whites who practiced and embraced slavery and were slaughtered and trashed at the hands of the North in the Civil War that ended slavery and freed the Blacks down there. Jefferson wasn’t fighting for the North. Although we have yet to get an answer to this question: Who was evil? Jefferson who kept Blacks in slavery because he believed “…they’d fall flat on their faces if they were freed because they weren’t ready to be out on their own,” or Harriet Tubman, who snuck Blacks from their plantations and slave owners and took them to freedom (where they made out well, BTW. What a surprise!). I would be remiss not to mention she smoked down her share of Confederates during the Civil War. THEY reaped what they sowed. God Bless, Harriet!

            You expressed your disdain (and racism, really)–not surprising–for Muhammad Ali, holding up Joe Louis as a “better example” of a champion. You couldn’t hold up Jerry Quarry (Ali beat him), George Chavalo (Ali beat him), Joe Frazier (Ali beat him two of three), or George Foreman (Ali knocked him out). And Rocky Marciano…Let’s get serious. So you had to go to a bygone era to pull up Joe Louis (who Ali would have danced circles around, tattooing his face with jabs in the process; Rocky Marciano–ditto). I suggested–with all your Jefferson-like lip service about integration and Civil Rights–Jack Johnson and you term it, “You brought him up out of the blue in one of your sillier diversion attempts.” You are the one with ALL the diversionary, Lindsay Lohan-like attempts (always STEALING my lines–like the Whites did with Zimbabwe).

            Jack Johnson, it seemed, would have been a perfect choice for you: He was from Texas, had multiple White wives (integrationist), went anywhere he pleased (integrationist), and opposed segregation. But you would not embrace him. Don’t give me that crap about he’s too far in the past. Louis and Johnson were BOTH far beyond your era. We both know why you didn’t like Jack Johnson (who would have pimp-slapped Louis perhaps even worse than Ali would have).

            “You only like Johnson though because lots of White people at the time didn’t.” And why was that? He was World Heavyweight Champion. He was strong, mobile, and skillful. Why didn’t the Whites like him? That comment by you ranks way down there with “The only reason you like Randall Cunningham is because he’s Black.” You’re a racist, dumbass.

            You prefer Joe Louis to Ali and Jack Johnson because? Let’s get down to it. Johnson and Ali didn’t follow the White racist status quo but Joe Louis did. Joe Louis followed the White racist status quo that he was ordered to do to the tee: He mumbled and shuffled along, “don’t be seen with or pose in pictures alone with any white woman/women,” and enlisted in the segregated–let me say that again, SEGREGATED– U.S. Army. And what good did it get him? He ended up broke, he worked as a doorman in Las Vegas, he became a cocaine addict, and the IRS was on his ass until he died.

            Johnson and Ali were bold, confident, articulated themselves well, challenged the White racist status quo, and the U.S. Government–and won! They were constantly “sticking it to the Man.” So, following the Status Quo (Louis) or “Sticking it to the Man” (Johnson; Ali)? I’ll go with ‘Sticking it to the Man.” And it does count, redneck.

            Cookie Gilchrist, Malcolm X, Ali, Johnson, and Henry Wiencek represent men of principle, Thomas Jefferson and people like you don’t. People like X, Ali, Ben Franklin, George Washington, and George Wallace evolved. Thomas Jefferson was a slave owner, bigot, and racist until he died.

          • Joseph Wright
            January 22, 2018

            Once again, you have falsely labeled Malcolm X as “an evil man.” We know that he never held people in bondage, raped women, refused to give people their freedom, ordered to have people–even as young as 10-12 years old–savagely beaten, or broke up families for money. On the other hand, the man you held up above X, Thomas Jefferson, was guilty of ALL these evils. You termed him “a good man.” Twisted, misplaced priorities of an ignorant White racist.

            This ridiculously ignorant and misguided notion that Thomas Jefferson was the cause of the end of slavery in America and (even more inaccurately) worldwide is giving ol’ racist, bigoted Tommie Boy a place in history and credit that he does not deserve. The Virginia abolitionist Moncure Conway, noting Jefferson’s enduring reputation as a would-be emancipator, remarked scornfully, “Never did a man achieve more fame for what he did not do.”

            One of the reasons Malcolm X was a better man than Jefferson was because he evolved. He was more open to other people and embraced a higher ideal regarding humanity. Jefferson was a slave owner and racist bigot until the day he keeled over, kicked the bucket, and died: https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/the-dark-side-of-thomas-jefferson-35976004/.

            “Everything I’ve said has been true.”–Rasputin. Lie.
            Examples:
            “Malcolm X was an evil man.”
            “Kareem Abdul-Jabbar was in the Nation of Islam.”
            “Muhammad Ali was ignorant much of his life.”
            “I had a poster of Warren Moon when I was a kid.”
            “I’m against racial double-standards,”
            “Kunta Kinte didn’t exist.”
            “I see slavery as evil.” But not Thomas Jefferson.
            “Jack Tatum was late to practice for oversleeping often.”
            “Muhammad was a slave owner and raped women.” Inconclusive accusations.
            “Joseph Wright justifies slavery.” Always accusing ME of YOUR sins and evils, huh, Razzie?
            “I’m with Dr. Martin Luther King.”–Rasputin. Really? Then he followed with this:
            “No one should brag about having a ‘peaceful’ protest.” Way to go, moron.
            “I’m not a Muslim Basher.”–Rasputin
            “Do you think Muhammad was evil? He owned slaves and raped women.” Allegedly. However, an intelligent, unxenophobic person would not follow a denial of hating a particular religion with allegations against the religion’s founder. However, an idiotic bigot would. “I think Hakeem Olajuwon was a great basketball player.” SMH. The redneck, xenophobic bigot STILL doesn’t get it.

            “Joseph Wright hates White people.” Not true. I had three for breakfast this morning. Of course, I’m joking. Watch him try to blow this up. (Rasputin: “HE”S A CANNIBAL!!! HE”S A CANNIBAL!!!”) SMH.

            Seriously, though, Jefferson was a horrible man. He owned slaves, ordered them to be savagely beaten, and raped various female slaves, Sally Hemings being the most notable. Razzie says he freed “a few” of his slaves. Oh, yeah. He freed the slaves but kept their marriage partners and children to continue to own, work, and have sex with. https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/the-dark-side-of-thomas-jefferson-35976004/.

            Cookie Gilchrist knew about this all along.

          • January 22, 2018

            Joseph, can I PLEASE ask you guys to call a truce? Please. Nobody is going to change the other guy’s mind. It’s not going to happen. So find another topic to argue about. Please. We just lost one viewer because of this debate. I love that you guys are interested and passionate about pro-football topics. But can we please just call it a day on this topic? Thank you.

          • Joseph Wright
            January 22, 2018

            I take it the other guy has been notified by you also? After all, his name/pseudonym was brought up, not mine.

          • January 22, 2018

            I will ask him, too. Got to end this and move on.

          • Rasputin
            January 10, 2018

            All your claims are false, but you praised Zimbabwe dictator Robert Mugabe’s recent murder and ethnic cleansing of innocent white people, Joseph Wright, calling it “putting out the trash”. Nothing more needs to be said.

          • Joseph Wright
            December 30, 2017
          • Joseph Wright
            December 15, 2017

            “Michelle Obama (a deeply ignorant and unpleasant woman)”–Rasputin

            How? Did she create “No Child Left Behind (*cough Laura Bush cough*)?”

            Did she ever run a stop sign and kill a classmate (*cough Laura Bush cough*)?”

            Did she ever copy a speech by Laura Bush?

          • Rasputin
            December 6, 2017

            You get confused and post in the wrong place, Joey, or are you really ticked at Rick Gosselin? I dispensed with all these false claims you posted about me higher on the page (almost a word for word double post by you), many of which are actually true about you (bigotry, lies, stupidity, etc.), but I thank you for another addition to the Joseph Wright Hall of Shame:

            “I was simply pointing out the genesis of Razzie’s racism–growing up in Texas (i.e., LAST state to inform the Blacks that they were free after the Civil War; JFK’s assassination; Ali’s conviction by an all-White jury in Houston”

            Suuuure. That’s logical. You’re not having a meltdown at all, LOL. So your position is that people from Texas are automatically “racist” because of something that happened in the 1800s, JFK’s assassination (by an extreme left winger), and Ali being convicted for refusing the draft after he refused the draft. Got it. BTW, you should look up the definition of “prejudice”, Joey. It should be the entry by the picture of your face. Actually most good, reasonable people think that Texas just exhibited the best of humanity during the recent record shattering hurricane: heroic citizens of all races acting on their own initiative to save or help others, courage and a relative lack of rioting or looting, and good governance all combining to limit what easily could have been astronomical casualties.

            While you can’t find a single bigoted thing I’ve ever said, below is just a small sample of your comments here to let anyone reading this know who and what you are.

          • Rasputin
            December 1, 2017

            Joseph Wright Hall of Shame

            “And what is wrong with the Nation of Islam, Malcolm X and the Black Panthers?” – Joseph Wright

            “Harris was a White man and, when it came time to defend Lynn Swann, he couldn’t jump.” – Joseph Wright

            “You White folks seem to change the meaning all the time.” – Joseph Wright

            “White safeties like Cliff Harris, Larry Wilson, and Charlie Waters WERE garbage in the ’70s and beyond.” – Joseph Wright

            “…players like Harris, Larry Wilson, Dick Anderson, Blackwood Brothers were relics from the 60s who couldn’t hold up against modern athletes” – Joseph Wright

            “It’s players like Cliff Harris, Larry Wilson, Dick Anderson and Bill Bates that USC’s Sam Cunningham exploited that gave Paul “Bear” Bryant the vision and validation (to closed-minded, in-denial Confederates) to update his talent pool. The Larry Wilsons and Cliff Harrises were out and the Tatums and Ken Houstons were in” – Joseph Wright (among other things, exhibiting timeline and geography confusion)

            “Cliff Harris was on the track team (lol)? What’d he do? Throw the javelin? Run the mile? Poll vault? I KNOW it wasn’t the sprints or the high-jump. LMFAO!!!” – Joseph Wright (Harris was actually a collegiate sprinter)

            “damn! Harris couldn’t run OR jump” – Joseph Wright (actually Harris posted an impressive 39 inch vertical in a scouting test)

            “Another case of White folks trying to steal something that wasn’t theirs” – Joseph Wright (his characterization of the US war effort and sacrifice against communists in the Vietnam War)

            “Whites like you have a far worse track record of inhumanity to non-Whites.” – Joseph Wright (judging people by the color of their skin rather than the content of their character)

            “”White people are my enemy.” That statement by Ali is nowhere near to close to showing he is a racist or bigot” – Joseph Wright (defending Muhammad Ali’s bigoted Nation of Islam phase that even Ali disowned years later)

            “The first part is a no-win answer best expressed by Ali: “I being persecuted by White people for saying I don’t want to be with a White woman. Chubby Checker is catching hell from Whites for marrying one!” I’ll make a deal with you, Razzie. Show me a picture of you and your Black wife, then I’ll go further. Deal?” – Joseph Wright (defending the NOI’s opposition to interracial marriage)

            “Ali WAS right.” – Joseph Wright (agreeing with Ali’s opposition to interracial marriage during his NOI phase)

            “That’s not separatism, that’s common sense.” – Joseph Wright

            Rasputin: “Jews are an ETHNICITY as well as a religion”
            Joseph Wright: “Wrong. Semites are an ethnicity. Judaism, which terms its worshipers “Jewish,” is a religion.” (the self proclaimed “history teacher” explaining that Jews supposedly aren’t an ethnicity)

            “There is nothing wrong with having preferences, even personal prejudices.” – Joseph Wright

            “Even if Blacks were giving an ample piece of land (e.g, the state of California), I would still be skeptical. I take my cues from my father: “If that happened, some White racists…would build a powerful bomb…and aim it!” – Joseph Wright (giving his practical reason for being reluctant to support a black-only nation carved out of the US)

            “As for the Panthers breaking Shakur out of prison…Are you serious? Do you also believe in the Tooth Fairy, The Easter Bunny, and Santa Claus? LOL!…. Her escape was obviously an inside job and the prison was covering for itself with that documented lie.” – Joseph Wright (commenting on convicted cop killer and Black Panther Assata Shakur’s escape from prison and subsequent flight to Cuba with the help of armed Black Panther comrades)

            “No, I never condoned Malcolm X’s glee over the 120 Whites who died in the plane crash. However, it’s not like HE killed them. Like Hitler murdered millions of people.” – Joseph Wright (perhaps the most surreal excuse ever)

            “So you’ll embrace the “greatness” of the White individual (Jefferson) but see no greatness in the Black individual (X/Shabazz)?” – Joseph Wright

            ““3) I am not with the ultramodest dress code for the women. I like to know what a woman with a pretty face is working with, body-wise and hair-wise.
            4) I love ham sandwiches, barbecued ribs, and pork hotlinks way too much to give them up to convert to Islam.”” – Joseph Wright (explaining why he hasn’t yet joined the Nation of Islam)

          • Rasputin
            November 18, 2017

            Obviously I meant Johnny Manziel was the first freshman to win the Heisman.

          • Rasputin
            November 14, 2017

            Because I’m in a generous mood, to save you some embarrassment and space, I’ll preemptively help you out by pointing out that I said Tatum didn’t win “championships” plural, unlike Cliff Harris. I could already see that would likely have tripped you up.

          • Rasputin
            November 9, 2017

            “You’re the one who brought up race, Razzie, after I made a humorous connection to the movie, White Men Can’t Jump, to crack on Harris’ pitiful attempt to cover Lynn Swann.”

            No, my Louis Farrakhan supporting friend, before you explicitly raised race (which you just again admitted you did first with your WMCJ line, moron) you had spent a long time bashing Cliff Harris for supposedly having no athleticism while hyping up what an awesome athlete Tatum was. This was strange since I had already educated you with facts showing that Harris was athletic. You kept insisting otherwise based on no facts. Your WMCJ crack opened a revealing window into your thinking……no……your FEELINGS on the matter. And then you doubled down on it with idiotic comments like this….

            Joseph Wright: “It’s players like Cliff Harris, Larry Wilson, Dick Anderson and Bill Bates that USC’s Sam Cunningham exploited that gave Paul “Bear” Bryant the vision and validation (to closed-minded, in-denial Confederates) to update his talent pool. The Larry Wilsons and Cliff Harrises were out and the Tatums and Ken Houstons were in.”

            ….that were undeniably racial. Of course none of those guys you listed were exploited by Sam Cunningham or had anything to do with Alabama or that 1970 college football game. They certainly weren’t “out”. Harris had played at a small school and was just starting his NFL career at the time. He’d go on to be first team 1970s All Decade, his career coinciding almost exactly with your beloved Tatum’s (who was drafted high but wasn’t as good).

            Dick Anderson played at Colorado, which had been one of the first schools in its conference to integrate back in the 1950s. He was consensus All American in 1967 and went on to have a multiple Pro Bowl NFL career. In fact Colorado claims credit for supposedly getting Alabama to integrate by beating them in the 1969 Liberty Bowl a year before your famous USC/Alabama game (the less Hollywoodish truth is that Alabama wasn’t good during that span and lost even worse to some other all white teams, not that it matters). Dick Anderson’s own little brother Bobby was still a captain on that team and he later explained that when told they could only bring one captain to the coin toss they all wanted it to be a black player. This underscores the magnitude of the ignorance in your flippant comment.

            Wilson came out of little Utah and cemented his spot in the NFL by using his athleticism to pioneer safety blitzing (“exploited”, lol?). Between that and his high interception rate he’s judged as one of the greatest players in NFL history.

            All of these players but Wilson started AFTER Ken Houston did, and some played after Tatum, LOL! Bill Bates didn’t play until the 1980s and, while he was a serviceable safety, he was the best special teams player in the NFL. He was so good they invented the special teams slot just so they could finally send him to the Pro Bowl.

            They all thrived in the integrated NFL. These weren’t borderline players but the best in the league at their position. Heck, Harris and Waters succeeded great black Cowboys safeties like Cornell Green and (for a while) Mel Renfro who had played in the 1960s, and raised the pass defense to an even higher level.

            So your claim was factually wrong. By saying a bunch of players “like” (a bunch of white guys you list) were “out” after integration, you reveal your racial prejudice and ignorance.

            “You say you weren’t offended (lie), then go WAY over the top with race-baiting as you say I disparage him because he’s White. One person can’t find a joke funny and offensive at the same time. Get some thicker, more objective skin.”

            It’s hilarious that you’re saying that when you’ve been weeping buckets for countless posts over alleged “racism” by Zimmerman (simply because he suggested Randall Cunningham should maybe switch to RB after his first two dismal passing/great running seasons in the league, LOL! But mostly just a lame attempt to discredit his negative opinion of some of your beloved Raiders’ HoF worthiness), by me (based on absolutely nothing; just a lame defensive deflection attempt; “I know you are but what am I?”), and by just about everyone else (mostly BS).

            You’re the textbook example of a racially bigoted race baiter with hyper-thin skin. You’re also the one following me around like a butthurt stalker crying “racist” and starting these arguments back up. Otherwise I wouldn’t give you a second thought.

            No one was “offended” by your clumsy attempt at humor, little Joey. But you’re wrong. Such a joke can simultaneously be unfunny, not spark outrage, and objectively reveal a window into your sentiment (one confirmed by your other, serious posting). I point out all this stuff objectively showcasing your racial prejudices, dishonesty, and general stupidity because it’s interesting given the context in which you try to attack others.

            “This after you wrote: “Your other comments made clear that you really do dismiss white safeties (among others) in general as garbage because of their skin color.” Now you’re backpeddling, saying you never said that was my only factor.”

            Wrong. You DO dismiss white safeties “in general” as garbage because of their skin color. I always said you hated some of those guys for other reasons too (like they were Cowboys). You’re the one backpedaling by trying to name some exceptions of white safeties you like (as opposed to the ones “like” the several you listed whom you wrongly said were “out” after integration).

            “As for Anderson and Bates, they also were slow, unathletic and wore number 40.”

            Harris wasn’t. He had more in common with Darren Woodson than Bill Bates in the overall skill set and career department. Not skin color though right, bigot?

            “Quite likely, given the times, he was “sprinting” against segregated (all-White) competition, his vertical obviously didn’t impress anyone enough to EVEN draft him (Warren Moon, by contrast, wasn’t even invited to the scouting combines–slick racist move to make him go undrafted.”

            There was no scouting combine when Moon came up in 1978, you idiot. The first one was in 1982 and even then not every team or high profile player was involved. Moon likely misspoke, and meant that he got few if any private workout invitations.

            If you weren’t so ignorant on football history you’d know that in Cliff Harris’ day the scouting system was really primitive. Players from small schools like him were usually overlooked completely. Dallas was ahead of the curve on finding hidden talent, and the 39 inch vertical came in a private workout with a Cowboys scout, which may have been the only one HE got. Dallas didn’t need to draft him because they were the only ones paying close attention to him.

            More relevant is the fact that Harris almost immediately earned the starting job and went on to have a first team All Decade career. And no, Ouachita Baptist and other schools in that conference had began integrating in the early to mid 1960s. Certainly the NFL was integrated even earlier.

            “It is possible to be slick and ignorant, Razzie. See Richard Nixon)”

            I’m tempted to show you’re ignorant (but not slick) on EVERY topic you raise (I’m not a big Nixon fan but the expert bipartisan consensus is that he was one of the most intelligent and knowledgeable presidents ever; if anything he WASN’T “slick” since he went down for what should have been a small scandal after LBJ, JFK, and FDR had gotten away with far worse), but this is too tangential.

            “He was judged the “best free safety of the 70s” by Zimmerman. I’m sure Harris would have gotten votes from Lester Maddox and Jimmy the Greek, too.”

            Harris was judged first team All Decade free safety by the HoF selection committee, you idiot, after being named to 6 Pro Bowls and 3 first team All Pro selections by a combination of players, coaches, and the broader media. And Jimmy the Greek was the one who thought blacks were superior athletes, dumbass. You and Jimmy have a lot in common on a variety of issues.

            “The anchor of that defense, saving Harris and Waters’ slow, unathletic asses was the front four.”

            Wrong, chump. That defense wouldn’t have been as great as it was if it had liabilities (“garbage”) at any position. Unlike the Tatum Raiders who consistently had one of the worst pass defenses in the league (as I educated you on with stats on the Lee Roy Jordan page), Doomsday had no weaknesses. The Dallas pass defense climbed to consistently around the top of the rankings during the Harris/Waters tandem era, as the strength of the secondary shifted from the CBs in the early 70s to the safeties in the decade’s second half. Dallas had a great front four in the early 70s too featuring some of those guys you mentioned like Lilly, Pugh, and Cole. Objective facts refute you.

            “Any free safety who plays for a decade and comes up with fewer than 30 INTs for a career is pathetic. Translation: garbage.”

            I disagree. But then I actually know something about football.

            It’s also funny that you place so much importance on interceptions (which you likely only do because Tatum with 37 has SLIGHTLY more than Harris in the regular season) when Larry Wilson has 52, Charlie Waters has 41, and Waters holds the career playoff record.

            “Of course, readers, Razzie will add in Harris playoff INTs to get him to 30 and beyond”

            Says the hypocrite who repeatedly said this…..

            “The regular season stats mean nothing.”
            “regular season stats are an illusion”
            “Those are regular season stats that can be inflated”
            “The regular season stats are empty” – Joseph Wright

            ….when I posted stats showing how much better Harris’ Cowboys were than Tatum’s Raiders, especially in pass defense. LMFAO!

            Then I pointed out that Harris has three times as many playoff interceptions as Tatum, LOL! Harris also has as many total regular season takeaways as Tatum and more than Tatum counting the playoffs.

            So which is it, moron? Is it only regular season or only playoff stats that matter? Both? Neither? Find a position and stick to it, you cringing buffoon.

            “Cookie Gilchrist would have run roughshod over Harris.”

            I doubt it, but if he did he would have run roughshod over everyone else too.

            “Oh, wait. Actually, Harris would have looked for a place to hide. Just like he did with Larry Csonka and Earl Campbell.”

            LOL! While Harris and Doomsday shut down Csonka cold in the 24-3 Super Bowl stomping, it was Tatum who got “alligator arms” and let Csonka run right past him for a TD, making a Deion Sanders-like business decision (Csonka wasn’t a helpless WR stretched out for a pass, you see). I even told you where to find the video of that. By contrast Harris played with a fearless recklessness and never “hid” from anyone.

          • Joseph Wright
            November 9, 2017

            I was simply coming DOWN to your level, given your fetish with the regular season. I maintain, any free safety who plays a ten-year career and gets less than 30 regular season INTs is pathetic. Translation: garbage. Jack Tatum had 37 and Cliff Harris had 29. First you say I name “lots” of White safeties to disparage and you name three (Larry Wilson, Dick Anderson, and Bill Bates). Now, you’re saying Tatum had “SLIGHTLY” more regular-season INTs than Harris. Seems to me, according to your world, Tatum had “lots” more INTs than Harris. Do you understand what “relative” means? If three is “lots” how can eight be “SLIGHTLY.” Constantly moving those yardsticks to prove lost causes.

            And now, the University of Colorado turned Alabama’s view on Black players around? GTFOH! LOL!! Did they have an all-Black backfield? What was the score? Who was Colorado’s QB. Who was Colorado’s offensive star for that game? Bobby Anderson? I saw the film. The key players in Colorado’s comeback win (they were trailing the Tide after three quarters) were White. They had seven Blacks on the team. Whooptie-damn-doo. The Trojans had at least five on offense and at least six on defense. All I know is several of Colorado’s players complained of the horrible racial slurs used against them before and during the game. You conveniently left THAT out. Colorado University or USC? Let’s hear from the Bear himself: “We played Southern Cal in 1970, and they had a Black running back named Sam Cunningham,” Bryant was quoted once by The New York Times as saying. “He came down here and ran all over our skinny White kids. Scored three touchdowns. He did more for integration in Alabama than anything else.”

            You lost again, junior.

          • Rasputin
            November 10, 2017

            “I was simply coming DOWN to your level, given your fetish with the regular season.”

            What does that even mean? You just posted two big paragraphs of flustered sounding garbage that didn’t address any points I made. Presumably this line was in reply to me skewering you in hilarious fashion with several of your own quotes claiming the regular season doesn’t matter, in response to you selectively posting regular season stats (like interceptions) when you find it convenient to your position and dismissing the PLAYOFFS in your previous post. Unlike you, I’ve never dismissed either the regular season, playoffs, OR stats in general (remember when you called them “meaningless” “numbers”, LOL?).

            “I maintain, any free safety who plays a ten-year career and gets less than 30 regular season INTs is pathetic.”

            You already said that and I said I disagree. Repeating your arbitrary, baseless opinion won’t persuade me to change my mind. I care more about pass defense stats, accolades, and team success ( it’s not even close in all three categories), but since you’re placing all your eggs in the interception basket….

            Interceptions (regular season)
            Cliff Harris – 29
            Jack Tatum – 37

            Interceptions (playoffs)
            Cliff Harris – 6
            Jack Tatum – 2

            Total Takeaways (regular season)
            Cliff Harris – 47
            Jack Tatum – 47

            Total Takeaways (regular season and playoffs)
            Cliff Harris – 57
            Jack Tatum – 51

            “Garbage”? Oh, and while a pleasant throwaway line from Bryant doesn’t change the facts I posted, he didn’t happen to support your bigoted, idiotic claim by commenting negatively on any of those great NFL players you used that college game to attack did he? Didn’t think so.

            “Constantly moving those yardsticks to prove lost causes.”

            They should put that on your tombstone.

            You lose again, Joey. As always.

          • Joseph Wright
            November 11, 2017

            “but since you’re placing all your eggs in the interception basket….”

            Interceptions (regular season)
            Cliff Harris – 29
            Jack Tatum – 37

            Interceptions (playoffs)
            Cliff Harris – 6
            Jack Tatum – 2

            Total Takeaways (regular season)
            Cliff Harris – 47
            Jack Tatum – 47

            Total Takeaways (regular season and playoffs)
            Cliff Harris – 57
            Jack Tatum – 51″

            So, the only way you can get Harris ahead of Tatum is by “takeaways.” Basically, you have to add fumble recoveries. Weak yardstick moving, even for a coward like you.

            Could you clarify what this means: “(Bear Bryant) didn’t happen to support your bigoted, idiotic claim by commenting negatively on any of those great NFL players you used that college game to attack did he? Didn’t think so.” WTF?

          • Rasputin
            November 12, 2017

            “So, the only way you can get Harris ahead of Tatum is by “takeaways.””

            And by Pro Bowls, first team All Pro selections, All Decade status, Super Bowls, pass defense statistics, and film study, LMFAO.

            You walked into that one. Man, cracking you in the head with that metaphorical sledgehammer felt good. Like old times. : )

            “Could you clarify what this means: “(Bear Bryant) didn’t happen to support your bigoted, idiotic claim by commenting negatively on any of those great NFL players you used that college game to attack did he? Didn’t think so.” WTF?”

            Did Bryant ever say anything negative about the guys you listed, like Cliff Harris, Dick Anderson, Larry Wilson, Bill Bates, etc. , or indicate that he viewed them as similar to the “skinny white” kids from his own team he mentioned and threw under the bus in the quote you posted?

            Or are you the one drawing that connection and associating those great NFL safeties with Bryant’s comment?

          • Joseph Wright
            November 2, 2017

            “If you’re below the league average in completion percentage you aren’t a HoF QB. Period.”

            One name of a fully legit Hall of Fame QB: Joe Namath! (Of course, Zimmerman and Razzie are uncomfortable because Joe hung out with the Black players. Oh, well.)

            Doug Williams: “Stats are for losers.”

          • Rasputin
            November 2, 2017

            Wrong, little Joey. Even Namath’s completion percentage was above the league average. In fact he ranked in the top 3 or 4 in completion percentage every year in the AFL. He also led the league 3 times in yards (twice AFL, once NFL). McNabb did none of those things. And Namath is probably the most controversial, borderline QB inclusion in Canton given his unspectacular stats. Everyone admits he’s pretty much just in due to the “historical importance” of leading an AFL team to its first SB win.

            That he’s the best example you could come up with and you’re even wrong on him just proves my point.

            PS – And no one’s “uncomfortable” because Namath hung out with black players, moron. LOL!

  2. bachslunch
    October 17, 2017
    Reply

    Cookie Gilchrist is another great short career RB who probably won’t quite have enough of a career to make Canton. For four seasons, though, he was arguably the best RB in the AFL, and his stats plus honors profile of 4/4/alAFL makes him arguably the best RB of that league. Rick, you’re right that putting the raw stats of his CFL and AFL careers together would easily be PFHoF worthy, and as it is he’s rightly in the CFL Hall just for his accomplishments there (given that folks like Warren Moon and Doug Flutie are enshrined for 6 and 7 year careers). It also appears he was a two-way player in the CFL (at LB) and performed kicking duties for a couple seasons. And his civil rights track record, helping spearhead the AFL All Star Game boycott alongside Art Powell especially, is a plus for his case. Excellent write-up.

  3. Kerouac
    October 17, 2017
    Reply

    Hall of Fame voters bias toward the AFL/other leagues having already been addressed, will not add the narrative (other my agreement with said fact being the sad case.)

    Nor will I give my 2¢ regards real or imagined racial divides ‘then’ or ‘now’ (my arguments ‘would’ support specific aspects one hand and ‘would not’ support others.)

    Perception as bias being in the eye the beholder, whether HOF voting or interpretation topic other, do say that as life in America, enjoyment mine pro football pales today, comparison yesteryear. Today, football has become (along with money, taxes, religion) one of the things that you’re almost better off not talking about. When you cannot watch or read or talk about a football game without an political demonstration or debate breaking out, it’s time to consider alternatives.

    With that, will end with a sad memory to begin but a bit of levity in its conclusion.

    It was December 1965, the Denver Broncos and Cookie Gilchrist were playing the Chiefs in Kansas City. It was the last game the season with both teams going nowhere but home for the holidays.

    KC had just lost an great young RB name of Mack Lee Hill, he having died five days earlier in the course operation following a knee injury. CB Fred Williamson, one of the toughest hitters in pro football, was, like Cookie Gilchrist, in his first year with a new team.

    Late first quarter at KC’s 44 yard line, Cookie took a hand-off and went right, turned the corner, then headed toward the end zone. 6’2 251 lb. Cookie came face to face with Fred his 6’3 219 spectacle. ‘Hammer’ at the ready, but discretion proving the better part of valor, one of them blinked first. An ole! and 360 later – Voila! – Cookie finished the td run.

    My vote: Cookie to the Hall of Fame.

  4. Joseph Wright
    December 5, 2017
    Reply

    I know you are cowardly and stupid but, just like with the White Men Can’t Jump joke on Cliff Harris, you are too dumb to even see a joke, redneck. It was a humorous, hypothetical look into the White racist psyche of yours.

    “I was simply pointing out the genesis of Razzie’s racism–growing up in Texas (i.e., LAST state to inform the Blacks that they were free after the Civil War; JFK’s assassination; Ali’s conviction by an all-White jury in Houston–those Whites were on the “wrong side of history,” Razzie; Texas removing the terms “slaves” and “slavery” from its school textbooks; and James Byrd’s fatal dragging in Jasper, TX). Those facts are what they are. Here was the latest Razzie meltdown: “…It’s also disgusting that you’d bring it (Jasper, TX) up out of the blue and exploit it for such a childish reason as to invent a complete lie in a desperate bid to try to get me.” Why so sensitive, skinhead? What’s so disgusting? That the White murderers were convicted? Why did we all have to endure ANOTHER meltdown from you? I can’t help that all this happened…IN TEXAS.”

    Copped out by lying with that “if you put one lie out there you’ll lie about everything” crap. We’re not buying your crap, redneck liar.

    “You’re trying to hide behind a few stupid quotes from Brown and (Abdul-) Jabbar praising Ali for CERTAIN things on the event of his passing, LOL?”-Rasputin. Obviously, you don’t read otherwise you would have known these quotes (which were not stupid) were made in 1989-90. When Ali was very much alive!

    Once again, Why were Jim Brown and Kareem Abdul-Jabbar singled out by you for “stupid quotes” regarding Ali’s stand against the Vietnam war yet you said nothing about the following quotes of Dr. King, Bill Russell, and Joe Frazier all of whom said the same thing? Watch Razzie squirm and duck this question yet again, readers. Redneck, bigoted coward is all Rasputin is.

    Now the redneck Razzie lies:

    1) “Malcolm X was an evil man.” Not true. Yet Razzie admires a racist, bigoted, hypocritical, raping slave owner, Thomas Jefferson

    2) “Ali was ignorant even for the first 20 years of his life.” Razzie has yet to give an example of this BEFORE Ali discovered Islam.

    3) “Kareem Abdul-Jabbar was in the Nation of Islam.” He was NEVER in the NOI.

    4) I said Ali was heroic for being willing to be incarcerated for opposing the Vietmam draft. Razzie’s response: “So was Hitler.” I call him on that idiotic remark (Brown and Abdul-Jabbar’s comments were “stupid?”) and he says “I wasn’t comparing Ali to Hitler.” Big lie.

    5) “I had a poster of Warren Moon on my wall growing up.” Given his trashing of Black QBs on this site…Sheeeit. Big lie.

    6) He called the fired CBS football prognosticator “Poor Jimmy the Greek” then said “I had no problem with his firing.” Big lie. Either you agree with the firing or you don’t, redneck.

    7) Rasputin claims he is not a racist or bigot (that’s a losing cause) and that “all lives matter” yet he bemoans White deaths yet terms Black deaths “from a bygone era” or “drops in a bucket.” Translation: Black deaths/lives are irrelevant.

    8) He keeps lying saying I said he was deleted (LOL!!!) for his “drops in a bucket comment.” I challenged him to supply me and the readers with the date and quote. I never said that was why he was deleted. Of course, he copped out by not reading my post. The mark of a true coward. Kind of like not reading Warren Moon’s autobiography because in Razzie’s words: “Not diverse enough.” Translation: Too Black. This indicts him on lie #5 for sure.

    9) “I’m with Dr. Martin Luther King.” LIE!

    10) “I don’t believe in racial double-standards.” He calls out non-White organizations for racism and discrimination yet voted for Donald Trump.

    Back to the slimy blackboard of deception and libel, redneck.

    • Rasputin
      December 6, 2017
      Reply

      Guess this site is glitchy today.

      • Joseph Wright