Who’s the best QB not in the Hall of Fame?


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With the election of Ken Stabler to the Hall of Fame in the Class of 2016, Cecil Isbell is now the only all-decade quarterback eligible for Canton who is not enshrined.

But is Isbell the best quarterback without a bust in Canton? Or could it be Jim Plunkett with his two Super Bowl rings? Or Ken Anderson with his four passing titles? That’s our poll question for this week on the Talk of Fame Network as we ask our listeners and readers who’s the best quarterback not in the Hall of Fame.

Here are your six options:

Ken Anderson. A four-time NFL passing champion, Anderson quarterbacked Cincinnati for 16 seasons and took the Bengals to the 1982 Super Bowl. Anderson also was the first quarterback to complete 70 percent of his passes in a single season and was the NFL MVP in 1981. He passed for 32,838 yards and 197 touchdowns and went to four Pro Bowls.

John Brodie. Like Anderson, Brodie was an NFL MVP and passing champion. He was the MVP in 1970 in the first year of the AFL-NFL merger, beating out a host of Hall of Famers for the honor (Bradshaw, Dawson, Griese, Jurgensen, Starr, Tarkenton, Unitas). Brodie played 17 seasons, passing for 31,548 yards and 214 touchdowns, and went to two Pro Bowls.

John Hadl. No quarterback in the senior pool of Hall-of-Fame candidates has thrown for more yards (33,503) and more touchdowns (244) than Hadl. He played 16 seasons with the Chargers, Rams and Packers and went to six Pro Bowls.

Cecil Isbell. Isbell was an NFL all-decade quarterback for the 1930s, along with Dutch Clark and Arnie Herber. Clark was inducted in Canton in 1963, Herber in 1966 … yet the candidacy of Isbell continues to stall.  He only played five seasons for the Green Bay Packers but threw for a then-NFL record 2,021 yards and 24 touchdowns in 1942. He was the quarterback throwing all the passes to Hall-of-Famer Don Hutson.

Jim Plunkett. The first overall pick of the 1971 draft, Plunkett didn’t strike it rich as a quarterback until he got to his third team — the Raiders, with whom he won those two Super Bowls. Plunkett played 16 seasons and also played for New England and San Francisco. But Plunkett never went to a Pro Bowl.

Phil Simms. The 1987 Super Bowl MVP, Simms played 14 seasons with the New York Giants, passing for 33,462 yards and 199 touchdowns. He set the Super Bowl record by completing 88 percent of his passes (22 of 25) in New York’s victory over the Denver Broncos. He went to two Pro Bowls.

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21 Comments

  1. Sports Fan
    March 2, 2016
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  2. Sports Fan
    March 2, 2016
    Reply

    Twitter
    re: Raiders in the #PFHOF
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    #PFHOF Voter Jason Cole Tweeted:
    “I’d push for Plunkett”

  3. Scott Dochterman
    March 2, 2016
    Reply

    I get all-decade recognition is important in helping players reach Canton. But players often get overlooked when they are drafted in the middle of one decade and their prime is up before the meat of the next decade. Take Donnie Shell, for instance. He was an unsigned free agent in 1974, a five-time Pro Bowler from 1978-82, a first-team all-pro three times, won four Super Bowls and intercepted 51 passes. But he automatically is devalued because he wasn’t “all-decade.” If there was a “Team of the Decade 1975-85” Shell is on it. But his recognition doesn’t fit into a neat little box, therefore he’s not considered as worthy as other all-decade candidates. I think Jared Allen will fall victim to this as well. Some players are penalized simply because their prime straddles two decades.

    Likewise, some great teams are devalued along similar lines. The Raiders won three Super Bowls from 1976-83, yet they’re not considered “Team of the Decade.” The Redskins played in four Super Bowls and won three from 1982-91, yet one of their wins were outside the 1980s box, and they’re left out like a hanging chad. When the greatest dynasties are discussed, they often are based strictly on one decade: Packers of the 60s, Steelers of the 70s, 1980s 49ers, 1990s Cowboys. These other teams boast similar credentials but don’t enjoy the label. It’s unfortunate and often it’s unfair.

  4. Sports Fan
    March 2, 2016
    Reply

    Great Points!

    Scott Dochterman
    March 2, 2016 at 11:43 am
    I get all-decade recognition is important in helping players reach Canton. But players often get overlooked when they are drafted in the middle of one decade and their prime is up before the meat of the next decade. Take Donnie Shell, for instance. He was an unsigned free agent in 1974, a five-time Pro Bowler from 1978-82, a first-team all-pro three times, won four Super Bowls and intercepted 51 passes. But he automatically is devalued because he wasn’t “all-decade.” If there was a “Team of the Decade 1975-85” Shell is on it. But his recognition doesn’t fit into a neat little box, therefore he’s not considered as worthy as other all-decade candidates. I think Jared Allen will fall victim to this as well. Some players are penalized simply because their prime straddles two decades.

    Likewise, some great teams are devalued along similar lines. The Raiders won three Super Bowls from 1976-83, yet they’re not considered “Team of the Decade.” The Redskins played in four Super Bowls and won three from 1982-91, yet one of their wins were outside the 1980s box, and they’re left out like a hanging chad. When the greatest dynasties are discussed, they often are based strictly on one decade: Packers of the 60s, Steelers of the 70s, 1980s 49ers, 1990s Cowboys. These other teams boast similar credentials but don’t enjoy the label. It’s unfortunate and often it’s unfair.

  5. Sports Fan
    March 2, 2016
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  6. Sports Fan
    March 2, 2016
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    EXCELLENT MUST HEAR VIDEO CLIP:

    GUYS LIKE US
    JIm Plunkett – Tom Flores

    https://www.facebook.com/espn30for30/videos/1122082587805168/

  7. Sports Fan
    March 2, 2016
    Reply

    EXCELLENT MUST HEAR VIDEO CLIP:


    Which Raiders Should Be In HOF?
    Raiders Hall of Famers discuss which former members of the Silver and Black should be inducted into the PFHOF

    http://www.raiders.com/media-vault/videos/Which-Raiders-Should-Be-In-HOF/8d21c7fa-521d-4409-a139-2cab56d32738

  8. Sports Fan
    March 2, 2016
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    “…VOTERS DON’T TAKE THE TIME TO FIND OUT THE WHOLE STORY…”

    Historian Mario Longoria one of the foremost Authors on Latino, Hispanic, Mexican, Chicano Athletes

    His work and research can be seen at the Professional Football Hall of Fame, therefore even the Hall of Fame acknowledges his work

    He commented about Coach Tom Flores and Jim Plunkett not being in the Hall of Fame, his comments are extremely important:

    “They’re being lost in the mist of time”

    “By all standards, they should be in the Hall of Fame, but they’re not and the voters don’t take the time to find out the whole story.”

    “They won that first Super Bowl together; a Chicano coach and a Chicano quarterback. You cannot put a value on that as an accomplishment, especially not to Mexicans in the Southwest.”
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    The Raiders with Coach Flores and Jim Plunkett went on the win a 2nd Super Bowl

    Historian Mario Longoria’s comments should not be dismissed, minimized, disregarded or overlooked

  9. Sports Fan
    March 2, 2016
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    “THAT’S IMPOSSIBLE”

    From 2002 – L.A. Times – Rob Fernas


    WHEN IT COMES TO THE HALL, HE WANTS IT ALL

    JUST INDUCT, BABY.

    Al Davis has made a record eight presentations to inductees at the Pro Football Hall of Fame, and he would like to make a few more. The Oakland Raider owner says several former Raiders continue to be overlooked.

    “The only coach who has won two Super Bowls and is not in the Hall of Fame is Tom Flores,” Davis told the San Francisco Chronicle.
    &
    “The only quarterback who has won two Super Bowls and is not in the Hall of Fame is Jim Plunkett….
    …THAT’S IMPOSSIBLE!”

    Furthermore, Davis said, there’s “no question” that punter Ray Guy and wide receiver Cliff Branch also should be inducted.

    Davis, who entered the Hall of Fame in 1992, will be in Canton, Ohio, today for inductions that include former Raider tight end Dave Casper, who will be presented by former Raider coach John Madden.
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    Mr. Davis is correct….”THAT’S IMPOSSIBLE”

  10. Sports Fan
    March 2, 2016
    Reply

    ANSWERS.COM

    How many Hispanics in the NFL Hall of Fame?

    Answer by Trivia Dan

    Three (3):

    Tom Fears, first Mexican-American enshrined
    Steve Van Buren
    Anthony Munoz

    Trivia Dan states:
    “In many people’s opinion,
    INCLUDING MINE,
    the first-ever Hispanic pro starting QB and 2-time Super Bowl-winning head coach, Tom Flores,
    and his QB, Jim Plunkett, the only eligible 2-time winning Super Bowl QB not in the Hall, SHOULD BE, but they are not as of 2014.”

    This is a direct quote by Trivia Dan of ANSWERS.COM

  11. Sports Fan
    March 2, 2016
    Reply

    From 2013 – 89.3 KPCC – By Take Two

    Why aren’t the NFL’s first minority Super Bowl winners in the Hall Of Fame?

    It’s the last day of National Hispanic Heritage Month, a time celebrating the contributions of Latinos to the United States.

    There have been concerts and art exhibits highlighting the accomplishments of Latinos past and present, but two trailblazing Chicanos have been all but forgotten.

    In 1981, the Oakland Raiders’ Tom Flores and Jim Plunkett became the first minorities to win a Super Bowl as a head coach and quarterback, respectively. Three years later they did it again when the Raiders played in Los Angeles.

    They’ve got championships on their resumes and the distinction of being first, but neither is in the Pro Football Hall of Fame and — as time goes on — the memory of what they did gets even fainter.

    ESPN.com’s Paul Gutierrez joins the show with more.

    Hear the full must hear excellent interview at the link below:

    http://www.scpr.org/programs/take-two/2013/10/15/34161/why-aren-t-the-nfl-s-first-minority-super-bowl-win/

  12. Sports Fan
    March 2, 2016
    Reply

    From 2014 – ESPN – Paul Gutierrez
    Ray Guy stumps for Jim Plunkett, Cliff Branch, Tom Flores as fellow Hall of Famers

    OAKLAND — It was whispered in certain smoke-filled corners of Silver and Blackdom that Ray Guy could punt a football so far and so high, rain would come down with the pigskin.

    How appropriate, then, that it was in a virtual monsoon that Guy, the first pure punter to be enshrined into the Pro Football Hall of Fame, was honored Thursday night with a halftime ceremony and presented his ring by his children at O.co Coliseum.

    Guy is the 22nd Hall of Famer recognized by the Raiders, and 13 of them were on hand for the shindig — Ron Mix, Jim Otto, Willie Brown, Fred Biletnikoff, Art Shell, Ted Hendricks, Mike Haynes, Howie Long, Dave Casper, Marcus Allen, James Lofton, John Madden and Rod Woodson.

    But before the Oakland Raiders took on a longtime rival in the Kansas City Chiefs, Guy spoke with reporters under an awning to keep dry.

    Guy, who can speak on any number of topics at length, was asked who he thought should be the next Raiders representiative to have his bust next to his in Canton.

    “You can go with [Jim] Plunkett, Cliff Branch, Tom Flores, there’s a ton of them that can go in next,” Guy said. “When is that time? I know the criteria but sometimes they don’t look at the whole criteria. We’re going to push really hard from now on.

    “Now that I’m part of the Hall of Fame, I’ll have a little bit more voice. Hopefully we’ll get a lot more Raiders because we have a lot more deserving.”

    Tim Brown is a semifinalist again (he has been a finalist the past five years) and other names from the past brought up by fans and teammates alike include Ken Stabler, Lester Hayes, Steve Wisniewski, Jack Tatum, Dave Dalby and Raymond Chester.

    I asked Guy why he thought more Raiders were not already enshrined.

    “I don’t know,” he said. “It’s kind of a mystery. I guess there’s this mystique.

    “I can’t figure it out. We need to open their eyes a little more. It’s a different era when you’re talking about those guys. It’s not just about statistics.”

    Or think of it this way … when it rains, it pours.

  13. Sports Fan
    March 2, 2016
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    From 2013 – ESPN – Paul Gutierrez

    COMMENTARY

    Flores, Plunkett DESERVE CANTON CALL

    Hispanic coach, QB broke barriers and led the Raiders to their 1st Super Bowl XV win-

    Coach Tom Flores and quarterback Jim Plunkett paved the way for Hispanics in the NFL.

    ALAMEDA, Calif. — Their profiles struck a pose as proud as it was profound.

    Seemingly looking ahead to a promising future, they were on the cover of the premiere issue of NFL Pro magazine, their faces above the words “JIM PLUNKETT AND TOM FLORES: HISPANIC PRIDE, POISE AND AN NFL TITLE.”

    It was summer 1981, and the Oakland Raiders’ quarterback and coach were not only reigning atop the football world with a Super Bowl championship, they had blazed trails and broken barriers in doing so.

    And yet, neither understood the magnitude until years later. For Flores, it came when he was traveling the country and a man came up to him during one of his stops, thanked him and told him his father had cried after the Raiders beat the Philadelphia Eagles in Super Bowl XV.

    “I didn’t even know him,” Flores recalled with a laugh. “It was about that Hispanic heritage that we shared. That’s when it really set in, when I saw how proud people were.

    “There were a lot of things I did that were influential, looking back.”

    Flores was the first Latino quarterback in the old AFL, the first Latino coach to win a Super Bowl, and in Seattle, the first Latino general manager in the NFL.

    “I’m proud of these things,” he said.

    And yet, if you were to ask the random fan today who the first minority coach was to win the Super Bowl, more often than not, they would say Tony Dungy.

    While Flores and Plunkett were looking forward in their iconic magazine cover shoot, perhaps it is best to take a look back, to the excitement the two created in a certain segment of society in the waning days of the Carter administration (yes, it was that long ago) to better understand the road they’ve traversed.


    Role models

    After the Raiders beat the San Diego Chargers in the AFC title game, Los Angeles Times columnist Frank del Olmo wrote on Jan. 16, 1981, of the effect the two had among Latinos in general, Mexican-Americans in particular.

    “So it’s a safe bet that in the coming two weeks the Raiders’ head coach, Tom Flores, and the team’s starting quarterback, Jim Plunkett, will be the most publicized and talked about Chicanos in the world,” the late del Olmo wrote. “At least this side of Cesar Chavez.”

    Yes, the civil rights activist and labor leader.

    “Whether the Raiders win or lose the Super Bowl game, millions of Latinos will be proud simply that Flores and Plunkett are there,” del Olmo added. “For they will be there not as representatives of their people, but as competent professionals whose skill, determination and hard work have brought them to the pinnacle of success in their field.”

    And there it was.

    Flores, whose parents were from Chihuahua, Mexico and who grew up working in the fields of the Central California valley, and Plunkett, the son of blind parents in Northern California, had become iconic figures. Not because of their shade of skin color, but because of who they were, and — to borrow from a famous speech — the content of their character, as seen by the masses.

    Their following only grew three years later, when the then-Los Angeles Raiders won the franchise’s third Super Bowl in eight years, this time blowing out defending champion Washington.

    Sal Castro, the late Chicano activist who helped organize the East Los Angeles high school walkouts in 1968 and died April 15, compared the ripple effect of Flores and Plunkett winning titles in football to the cultural phenomenon of “Fernandomania” in baseball, and not just in L.A., even if Fernando Valenzuela was from Mexico and Flores and Plunkett were as American as mom, apple pie, baseball and, well, Taco Bell.

    “Hell yes, there’s a cry in the community to have heroes,” Castro told me in 2011. “Throughout the Southwest, you see people walking around with Raiders shirts on … they’re part of the reason.

    “A lot of chavalitos [youngsters] are crying for positive role models. I hope there will be more Chicanos who will sleep standing up, to get taller. Guys like Flores and Plunkett opened doors. They broke barriers. Both came from humble beginnings, and that only adds to their story and how inspiring they are.”

    Or, as del Olmo wrote nearly 33 years ago of Plunkett, guys in the neighborhood were “talking about him as a Chicano, just like he was a homeboy from East L.A.”

    Plunkett, though, grew up in a San Jose barrio and won the Heisman Trophy at Stanford.

    “I’m proud to be Hispanic,” Plunkett told me on the 30th anniversary of the Raiders’ Super Bowl XV victory. “It’s who I am. And if it helps kids in our community around the country set goals, even better.

    “But it didn’t hit until later. That’s when you have a chance to really step back and take it all in, get an overall view of what I was able to do.”


    Long road for Plunkett

    Plunkett, who was the No. 1 overall draft pick in 1971 by the then-Boston Patriots, had early success in the league before injuries and ineffectiveness waylaid him. He found his way to San Francisco with the 49ers and was thisclose to being out of football for good when he went across the Bay to the Raiders to serve as Ken Stabler’s backup in 1979, which also happened to be Flores’ first year as coach after John Madden retired.

    But when Stabler was shipped to the Houston Oilers in a starter-for-starter trade for Dan Pastorini prior to the 1980 season, Plunkett had enough. He would not be able to compete for the starting gig and went to Flores and asked for his release.

    Flores convinced Plunkett to stick it out. His time came when Pastorini suffered a broken leg in Week 5. The Raiders were foundering at 2-3 when Plunkett became the full-time starter. Oakland won nine of its last 11 games and entered the playoffs as a wild card, beating old friend Stabler and the Oilers in the wild-card game, upending Cleveland in the famous “Red Right 88” game, when Mike Davis picked off Brian Sipe in the end zone, surviving an AFC title game shootout with the Chargers and heading to New Orleans for the Super Bowl.

    Plunkett’s story was equal parts Lazarus and Cinderella, all wrapped in one silver and black bow. Flores, who was known as the “Ice Man” for his cool demeanor as a player, called it a “resurrection” for Plunkett’s career. It’s the kind of stuff that embodies the very fabric of the NFL’s myth and ethos. And yet …

    “They’re being lost in the mist of time,” said Mario Longoria, who wrote “Athletes Remembered: Mexicano/Latino Professional Football Players, 1929-1970.”

    “They are fading into history, becoming obscure.”


    Hall of Fame?

    If you subscribe to the theory that you cannot write the definitive book on the purportedly inclusive NFL without mentioning the accomplishments and contributions of Flores and Plunkett, then where are their gold jackets, their busts in Canton?

    Indeed, many see the Pro Football Hall of Fame as an incomplete shrine without the two.

    “By all standards, they should be in the Hall of Fame,” Longoria lamented, “but they’re not and the voters don’t take the time to find out the whole story.”

    While not as stats-driven as the national pastime of baseball, the national obsession of football is more story-driven, even if Flores was 8-3 in the playoffs and is one of three coaches — with Jimmy Johnson and George Seifert — with at least two Super Bowl wins not already in the Hall. As happened to Seifert in Carolina, though, Flores did not win in his next stop, in Seattle.

    Still, Flores — who was the Raiders’ first quarterback and is one of a handful of QBs to have played in the AFL for its entire existence — has two other rings, one as Len Dawson’s backup in Kansas City for Super Bowl IV, and one as an assistant on Madden’s Oakland staff for Super Bowl XI.

    Lester Hayes, the former Raiders cornerback who won two rings with Flores, called the absence of his former coach in the Hall “so, so foul…the most unfair, the most unjust omission.”

    Flores, 76, pops up every now and then on an early Hall candidates list.

    “I don’t get too excited about it anymore,” he said. “I’m on the ballot and then I fall on the wayside. The voters, whoever they are, are not interested in what guys have done in the past. It’s about the more recent years.”

    Not that he’s against guys who deserve to get in on their first year of eligibility — he mentioned his former running back Marcus Allen as the perfect example of a player who should get in right away. It’s just that with the way the system works, anywhere from four to seven have to get into the Hall every year. And the 46 selectors hash it out in a sequestered room the day before the Super Bowl, whittling their list from 17 finalists, with a candidate needing 80 percent of the vote for election. The way the process plays out, selectors often act as “sponsors,” speaking for candidates, with backroom deals being bartered, critics charge.

    “The system is flawed,” Flores said. “It’s about who yells the loudest in that room.”

    Flores having worked for Raiders owner Al Davis also might be working against him in the minds of selectors.

    “The perception was that Al did it all,” Flores said, “and if they did some homework, they’d see that I coached the team.

    “He had input during the week. We talked all the time, second-guessed each other. I learned most everything from him, his leadership from him. But yeah, the impression was that Al did everything.

    “I don’t begrudge Al for that.”

    Plunkett, 65, was the MVP of Super Bowl XV and is the only eligible starting quarterback with at least two titles not in the Hall. Yeah, he threw a lot of picks, but do yourself a favor and compare his career numbers to those of Joe Namath.

    Meanwhile, Flores’ Hall lot now, he figures, rests with the seniors committee, which examines the cases of players and coaches whose careers have been over for at least 25 years. Plunkett, whose playing career ended in 1986, is already there. Flores, who coached Seattle in 1994, still has some time.

    Ray Guy, Flores’ punter with the Raiders, is a seniors committee nominee this year.

    “They won that first Super Bowl together; a Chicano coach and a Chicano quarterback,” Longoria said. “You cannot put a value on that as an accomplishment, especially not to Mexicans in the Southwest.”

    Transcendent figures, like altars to La Virgen de Guadalupe in the corners of some Latino homes? Not quite.

    But as linked intrinsically as they were successful, Flores and Plunkett are still together, so to speak, raging against time. They co-host with Greg Papa on preseason Raiders telecasts, while Flores joins Papa on the radio in the regular season and Plunkett is with Papa on-set for in-house Raiders television shows.

    “His record speaks for itself,” Flores said of Plunkett. “Maybe he didn’t go to Pro Bowls, but he won.”

    You could say the same of Flores, who actually introduced himself as the Raiders’ coach at Super Bowl media day in New Orleans.

    “I didn’t think anybody knew who I was,” he said.

    They should know now.

  14. Sports Fan
    March 2, 2016
    Reply

    JIm Plunkett – Tom Flores – Raiders

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  15. Sports Fan
    March 2, 2016
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  16. Sam Goldenberg
    March 2, 2016
    Reply

    A very interesting question. The six cases presented are all compelling, but also right on the borderline when you consider Hall of Fame. As much as people are touting Jim Plunkett, you have to remember he had a very unremarkable career until he reinvented himself with the Raiders-out. John Hadl was a great passer, but I seem to recall he threw a ton of interceptions and never really led his teams to any post season success-out. Cecil Isbell is so hard to evaluate. Definitely Isbell to Hutson was the NFL’s first great QB-WR tamdem, but he only played 5 seasons-out. I love Phil Simms. He had the heart of a lion when he played. His 1987 Super Bowl was one of the greatest single game performances of all time, but consistent greatness year in and out really not there-out. John Brodie was a great pure passer.Truly an underrated QB because always had to compete with Unitas, Starr, Tarkenton and Jergenson. Brodie is just a notch short, as never won the big one and never really stepped out of the shadow of the those other great QBs-out. The guy I would go with is Ken Anderson. Although he also never won the big game, year in and year out over the course of his career he was an outstanding player and just a tremendous passer. One of the most accurate I have ever seen. He also had the misfortune of having his career mirror the great 70’s Steeler teams that he had to compete with twice a year. My opinion of the six listed Ken Anderson is most deserving, but Brodie is a close second.

  17. Sports Fan
    March 3, 2016
    Reply

    Twitter
    re: A question…Think Jim Plunkett belongs in #PFHOF
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    Joe Theismann Tweeted:
    “Yes”

  18. Sports Fan
    March 3, 2016
    Reply

    Twitter
    re: “LOCO”

    Dave Dameshek Tweeted:
    “You know what’s loco?
    Snake Stabler JUST got into the Hall,
    Jim Plunkett STILL isn’t in,
    but Bob Griese’s had a gold jacket for 26 yrs.”

  19. bachslunch
    March 3, 2016
    Reply

    I think the best QB not in the HoF is Ken Anderson. The rankings I’ve seen for QB stats adjusted for era have a slew of HoFers at the top and Anderson. One can also argue that Anderson deserves innovator credit for being the first successful West Coast offense QB. There’s plenty of precedent for electing QBs with minimal postseason success and great regular season stats (Tittle, Jurgensen, Fouts, Marino), and Anderson fits that description.

    Those same rankings also list Plunkett among the worst regular season QBs. And if two titles and ho-hum stats were enough to get you elected, Tobin Rote and Jack Kemp would be in — but they aren’t, nor should they necessarily be. Plunkett simply doesn’t belong in, no matter how passionately Raider fans may say otherwise. Dave Grayson, Cliff Branch, and Steve Wisniewski are far more deserving ex-Raiders, am thinking.

  20. bachslunch
    March 3, 2016
    Reply

    Also, Roman Gabriel belongs in any such discussion. He’s definitely as good a candidate as Brodie, at the very least.

  21. Sam Goldenberg
    March 4, 2016
    Reply

    Agree with you bachslunch, nothing against Plunkett personally, but he is not a Hall of Famer.

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